Please, inform me how golfers and bowlers tangibly affect their opponents.
A bowler can't set up a 7-10 split for the opponent, nor can a golfer put his opponent in a sand trap.

With regard to bowling, there is conditioner (oil in layman's terms) applied to a portion of the lane surface. Every single shot that travels down the lane changes the pattern. Conditioner is picked up in the front of the lane and some of it is deposited on the back end.

Optimal scoring occurs when you can have a higher concentration of conditioner inside your line and a drier area outside the line you are playing. This creates what is called "area". You can miss a bit and still hit target. While you can "build a shot" by carving a hole out of the pattern, opponents, especially in match play, may try to burn up the area inside where you intend to play. They can also throw polyester or low flaring balls down the opponent's intended line to push conditioner into his "area" to create a hang spot where his ball won't hook.

Hell I've seen right handers throw 180 grit (super dull) balls with a back up release during practice to trash a left handers line.

Not quite like putting someone behind the 8 ball or sending a corner blitz...

Ok. These bowling and pool illustrations have made me see there is a difference between playing defensively and a legit defense working against a legit offense. I'm taking tennis back off my list.

Gonna disagree with you here. Sport is defined as requiring physical exertion and skill against an adversary. Yeah, riding a golf cart, slamming brews is a hobby, but the PGA is a legit sport. Same as NASCAR - being able to steer against that kind of power for that long is not easy.

Btw, I can't stand golf or NASCAR.

Key word is physical exertion and physical skills. Is cross county running a sport? Yes. Would a CC athlete be good at basketball? Rugby? Probably not. They require different sets of physical skill. Golf requires a different set of physical skills.

It's a sport.

So how does an Olympic sprinter, swimmer, shot/discus thrower, long jumper, high jumper, pole vaulter, weightlifter ....... play defense?

Whaling?

Right?

How has noone said wrestling yet?

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There's no defense. You can't directly influence your opponent. It's a game like darts or bowling.

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Some would beg to differ...

The only thing worse than track is field

beastinBQ said:

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Gonna disagree with you here. Sport is defined as requiring physical exertion and skill against an adversary. Yeah, riding a golf cart, slamming brews is a hobby, but the PGA is a legit sport. Same as NASCAR - being able to steer against that kind of power for that long is not easy.

Btw, I can't stand golf or NASCAR.

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lol yes they require some amount of physical exertion sure, but golfers and drivers would get dominated by real athletes of real sports in any other type of physical competition/comparison

it's like getting a PhD in history/English/theology and calling yourself a doctor

What types of competitions would real athletes dominate golfers in?

One of my sons was a college athlete and now that he's done with that and taking up golf he says it's the most difficult sport he's ever tried.

Another of my sons is an MD so he would agree with you that an English PhD doesn't make you a doctor.

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What types of competitions would real athletes dominate golfers in?

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anything testing strength, speed, athleticism etc


being difficult does not make it a sport, rubix cubes are difficult

if senior citizens can play competitively in the highest level professional league with 20/30 year olds, it's not a sport

EliteZags said:

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jja79 said:

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What types of competitions would real athletes dominate golfers in?

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anything testing strength, speed, athleticism etc


being difficult does not make it a sport, rubix cubes are difficult

if senior citizens can play competitively in the highest level professional league with 20/30 year olds, it's not a sport

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name the senior citizen

I looked it up for you. In the last 30 years only 3 times has a player won after their 50th birthday. The oldest every to win a pga even was Sam Snead at age 52 in 1965.

Kindly find a new argument to debunk.

Was your great-great-great-grandfather named Jebodiah Golf or something?

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name the senior citizen

I looked it up for you. In the last 30 years only 3 times has a player won after their 50th birthday. The oldest every to win a pga even was Sam Snead at age 52 in 1965.

Kindly find a new argument to debunk.

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I think you just proved his point. To me, at least.

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Ragoo said:

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name the senior citizen

I looked it up for you. In the last 30 years only 3 times has a player won after their 50th birthday. The oldest every to win a pga even was Sam Snead at age 52 in 1965.

Kindly find a new argument to debunk.

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I think you just proved his point. To me, at least.

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it is so common that only 7 people in the history of the PGA tour have ever done it. Even more common on the European tour that 1 person has won past age 50. Yeah old dudes are competing at the highest level successfully....

Yup, some apparently are.

ETA: The other poster and I didn't say "commonly." You did.

Last year 4 of the top 40 money winners were 40 or older, just 1 over 42. Every once in a while an older guy catches lightning in a bottle but its not typical.

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EliteZags said:

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jja79 said:

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What types of competitions would real athletes dominate golfers in?

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anything testing strength, speed, athleticism etc


being difficult does not make it a sport, rubix cubes are difficult

if senior citizens can play competitively in the highest level professional league with 20/30 year olds, it's not a sport

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name the senior citizen

I looked it up for you. In the last 30 years only 3 times has a player won after their 50th birthday. The oldest every to win a pga even was Sam Snead at age 52 in 1965.

Kindly find a new argument to debunk.

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lmao finding examples of 50 year olds winning championships in a "sport" isn't exactly "debunking" the fact that golf is not a sport


and btw I said competitively not winning it all

EliteZags said:

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Ragoo said:

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EliteZags said:

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jja79 said:

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What types of competitions would real athletes dominate golfers in?

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anything testing strength, speed, athleticism etc


being difficult does not make it a sport, rubix cubes are difficult

if senior citizens can play competitively in the highest level professional league with 20/30 year olds, it's not a sport

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name the senior citizen

I looked it up for you. In the last 30 years only 3 times has a player won after their 50th birthday. The oldest every to win a pga even was Sam Snead at age 52 in 1965.

Kindly find a new argument to debunk.

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lmao finding examples of 50 year olds winning championships in a "sport" isn't exactly "debunking" the fact that golf is not a sport


and btw I said competitively not winning it all

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Tom Brady is getting close to making football not a sport.
MLB has had players over 50. So, no longer a sport baseball. Sorry.