Zachary Klement said:
Tim Hardaway Sr. and Mark Cuban running their mouths a bunch today. What morons.
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zgolfz85 said:Zachary Klement said:
Tim Hardaway Sr. and Mark Cuban running their mouths a bunch today. What morons.
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Mark Cuban: "I don’t think it’s Kidd’s problem that we didn’t have an identity. ... The game changed in ways we didn’t expect it to change, so I blew it. It was on me, personally, because the game changed in terms of the take foul and the speed of the game."
— tim cato (@tim_cato) April 5, 2023
Mark Cuban is blaming Rick Brunson for the Mavs losing Jalen Brunson in free agency, saying “things went south when the parents got involved.”
— Tim MacMahon (@espn_macmahon) April 5, 2023
Mark Cuban on Kyrie Irving: “I want him to stay.” Asked if he’s a max player, Cuban says, “I’m not going to negotiate with you.”
— Tim MacMahon (@espn_macmahon) April 5, 2023
Tim Hardaway Sr. blasts Luka Doncic and calls him a ‘crybaby’
— NBACentral (@TheNBACentral) April 5, 2023
“They're missing a leader out there. Luka is not a leader, Kyrie’s not a leader”
(Via @TheCartonShow) pic.twitter.com/1IpezUjDtL
Well now Cuban has publicly stated something countering this.M.C. Swag said:Brunson has publicly stated he would have signed the extension if it was offered but the Mavs wanted to use him as trade bait instead so they never offered it until after the deadline (as signing an extension would have made him trade ineligible).PatAg said:We don't know what conversations were held. What evidence is there that he would have taken the 4/55 you say we should have offered.mavsfan4ever said:PatAg said:I'm a big Brunson fan as well, but the fact is that he got shut down against the Clippers in 20-21. Its not because Rick didnt trust him, or didnt play him as much as he should have. It was a bad matchup for him, and he wasn't getting it done. Maybe he just got unlucky and it was a temporary dip in his form, but he has always struggled against bigger mobile defenders. He did have a good year, and he seemed to have figure out how to operate with Luka on the offense.mavsfan4ever said:
Man I disagree on Brunson. He was great in 20-21 other than the playoff series. And Rick didn't play him as much as he should have. He averaged 12-13 points on 52% shooting, 40% 3 point shooting, 80% free throw shooting, and a great assist/turnover ratio. His advanced stats were also good that year. And that was with Carlisle not playing him as much as he should have. He also massively passed the eye test. It was obvious he was at minimum going to be a good player in the league and had a chance to be special.
The playoff series was very bad but that shouldn't overshadow his whole season. Plus, I blamed ric for part of that for just choosing to not play one of our better players of the season.
Like I said, it was obvious he was going to be a good player and had s chance to keep improving. But even if he was just good, and never improved much, 4/55 would still be a decent contract. That's peanuts in the NBA. I would've been more than fine offering him that even after the playoff series. This isn't hindsight. One of the main reasons I was thrilled that Carlisle was gone was that I thought Brunson would have much more freedom and playing time.
That's what you pay your front office to do. Know the players who could break out and get them signed to team friendly deals before they break out. And if they dont break out but are still good players, then that's fine as well if they are in a 4/55. That was a massive mistake by the front office. Anyone who watched every mavs game that year saw brunson's ability and potential if he got a coach that allowed him to do more, and I think would've been fine with a 4/55 if they realized how cheap of a contract that is in today's nba.
I'm biased bc I've been a huge Brunson fan ever since his rookie year. But that's my two cents.
Playoff series do matter, because while the regular season is important, your flaws tend to get truly exposed in the playoffs. Personally, I would have paid him in that offseason if we could, but to me it seems very obvious he intended to go to NY the whole time.
Agree he struggled in the playoffs that year. That would be a big red flag if we were going to have to pay him 4/100 that summer. But the contract would've been 4/55. I'm fine giving great regular season players who may struggle in the playoffs against certain matchups 4/55. And that's assuming he wouldn't get better (which he did and which the front office should've known was more likely than not).
That's why not offering him 4/55 that summer is so frustrating. I agree with everyone saying we should've made him say no last summer as well. He probably would have still gone to NY at that point in my opinion, but we still should've made him say no. But the summer before is just as infuriating to me.
But that's what we get when we have a shoe guy as our GM. I'm ready for both Kidd and Nico to be gone.
Source: https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/jalen-brunson-reportedly-wouldve-signed-with-mavericks-for-55-5m-who-are-paying-royally-for-their-mistake/
Asked why the Mavericks didn't try to trade Jalen Brunson last February when it first became apparent that Dallas would have difficulty re-signing him, Cuban said that the Mavericks were still hopeful of trying to "change his mind" before free agency. https://t.co/2r5AKSs9Ir
— Marc Stein (@TheSteinLine) April 5, 2023
“Jason Kidd is absolutely” Mavs coach going forward, Cuban says.
— Brad Townsend (@townbrad) April 5, 2023
The most unfortunate one.
I'll say this, I hope someone that Luka would listen to is giving him a similar bit of critical feedback.
Every player is going to complain about the refs to some extent in a game, adn I do think he doesnt get anywhere near the amount of calls he should get.
But he has to learn to let the majority of it go and stay in the moment, then he can pick and choose when to make a bigger deal out of it. It's not like Dirk never complained.
and he needs that reality check about his defense. I think Luka is capable of improving in these areas, because you dont get as good as he is without being basketball smart.
Every player is going to complain about the refs to some extent in a game, adn I do think he doesnt get anywhere near the amount of calls he should get.
But he has to learn to let the majority of it go and stay in the moment, then he can pick and choose when to make a bigger deal out of it. It's not like Dirk never complained.
and he needs that reality check about his defense. I think Luka is capable of improving in these areas, because you dont get as good as he is without being basketball smart.
Cuban is countering his own statements. In the video I linked after the WCF he STATED that he thinks Brunson wants to be a Mav (which Brunson also said) and that Dallas would offer the most. So which version of Cuban is telling the truth?
Agree Luka needs to be better, but I think that is far down the list of issues.PatAg said:
I'll say this, I hope someone that Luka would listen to is giving him a similar bit of critical feedback.
Every player is going to complain about the refs to some extent in a game, adn I do think he doesnt get anywhere near the amount of calls he should get.
But he has to learn to let the majority of it go and stay in the moment, then he can pick and choose when to make a bigger deal out of it. It's not like Dirk never complained.
and he needs that reality check about his defense. I think Luka is capable of improving in these areas, because you dont get as good as he is without being basketball smart.
By the time that gets fixed, he will be gone, and Cuban and his personnel genius will be trying to find complementary pieces for Dyt Powell.
We're 6.5 point fav vs Sac tonight.
geez....yeah, they all sound like idiots and just need to shut up. Tim Hardaway Sr's comment...I'm actually not mad about that one. Luka went from being a leader last season to a typical gen z whiney ***** this season. He needs to realize that his legacy is largely going to depend on his ability to lead and continuing to get the best out of his teammates. His leadership has been way too on again/off again this year.
if we win this game, I'm burning some mavs merchOl Jock 99 said:
We're 6.5 point fav vs Sac tonight.
Sr.'s comments were problematic because Jr. came out and refuted them this afternoon. Just seems incredibly stupid to put your son and his team in that position, and for what?zgolfz85 said:
geez....yeah, they all sound like idiots and just need to shut up. Tim Hardaway Sr's comment...I'm actually not mad about that one. Luka went from being a leader last season to a typical gen z whiney ***** this season. He needs to realize that his legacy is largely going to depend on his ability to lead and continuing to get the best out of his teammates. His leadership has been way too on again/off again this year.
Luka needs to dial it back, but I am far less concerned about that than I am his idiot owner's ability to surround him with talent and put us in a position to win.
Tim Hardaway Jr. requested to speak to @CallieCaplan and me to make it clear that he wasn’t happy with his dad’s criticism of Luka Doncic and Kyrie Irving as leaders. “I disagree with it 1000%” https://t.co/UaWowoArK7 pic.twitter.com/Wy1zol4HSE
— Tim MacMahon (@espn_macmahon) April 5, 2023
THJ has just always seen like the best teammate since we got him. His inconsistency frustrates me, of course, and his salary was crazy, but he is still a good player. just not a great one
Probably no version, lolM.C. Swag said:
Cuban is countering his own statements. In the video I linked after the WCF he STATED that he thinks Brunson wants to be a Mav (which Brunson also said) and that Dallas would offer the most. So which version of Cuban is telling the truth?
Fair
PatAg said:Tim Hardaway Jr. requested to speak to @CallieCaplan and me to make it clear that he wasn’t happy with his dad’s criticism of Luka Doncic and Kyrie Irving as leaders. “I disagree with it 1000%” https://t.co/UaWowoArK7 pic.twitter.com/Wy1zol4HSE
— Tim MacMahon (@espn_macmahon) April 5, 2023
THJ has just always seen like the best teammate since we got him. His inconsistency frustrates me, of course, and his salary was crazy, but he is still a good player. just not a great one
Ha didn't help that THS called DFS dorian Finley smith and lumped in spencer as our other "defensive" guy
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THJ has just always seen like the best teammate since we got him. His inconsistency frustrates me, of course, and his salary was crazy, but he is still a good player. just not a great one
Gotta give THJ a lot of credit for his statement to the media and how he handled the situation. Clearly his father is free to give his opinion on the Mavs, but he also has to realize what a terrible situation he put his son in. THJ's response was well thought out and very respectful, while also making it clear he strongly disagreed with his Dad's take.
Luka needs a "Holger"
Ol Jock 99 said:
We're 6.5 point fav vs Sac tonight.
This was a rat line. A stupid public was on the Mavs because Sacramento is on night 2 of a back to back.
The problem is it doesn't hurt as bad as people think and the Kings are very young.
Tony Romo sighting on the floor seats
"We can be heroes for just one day…"
Seasons on the line and still can't be bothered to play D.
M.C. Swag said:
Cuban is countering his own statements. In the video I linked after the WCF he STATED that he thinks Brunson wants to be a Mav (which Brunson also said) and that Dallas would offer the most. So which version of Cuban is telling the truth?
I admittedly don't follow NBA contract negotiations much at all -- but are they not similar to MLB negotiations where sure you might get some "public" offer sheets, but the majority of it is done in private?
If that's the case, then just because an "offer sheet" of the highest offer wasn't publicized doesn't mean an offer wasn't made.
So we won. Welp see you later
For at least 2 more games.Zachary Klement said:“Jason Kidd is absolutely” Mavs coach going forward, Cuban says.
— Brad Townsend (@townbrad) April 5, 2023
The most unfortunate one.
Carlo4 said:
So we won. Welp see you later
We are a stupid organization that would rather finish tenth in the west and lose in the play-in than attempt to keep a top 10 draft pick.
If it helps, Dallas and Chicago are tied, but Chicago has clinched a play-in berth.
OKC and Dallas are tied for the final play-in, but OKC has the tiebreaker.
Bottom 10 is still there if that is what you want.
OKC and Dallas are tied for the final play-in, but OKC has the tiebreaker.
Bottom 10 is still there if that is what you want.
I don't think Luka would accept sitting until we have been eliminated. We risk ruining our relationship with him if we forced him to sit.
I'm probably giving our front office too much credit, and they probably think we can still win a championship this year. But it's a sticky situation
I'm probably giving our front office too much credit, and they probably think we can still win a championship this year. But it's a sticky situation
I'm just waiting for the inevitable worst case scenario of us squeaking in, losing play in, losing draft pick and losing kyrie
Of course all of this is going to happen and our organization is actually attempting this scenario as we speak. We are in the midst of watching our organization attempt a giant train wreck. In 3 months we will be in a worse position because they didn't want to lose a home game to Sacramento last night.zgolfz85 said:
I'm just waiting for the inevitable worst case scenario of us squeaking in, losing play in, losing draft pick and losing kyrie
All of this is going to happen except the Mavs won't even make the play-in. OKC is playing a tanking Utah team followed by a Memphis team that will be resting their players. OKC will be favored in both games. The Mavs will be playing a Chicago team that will be resting players followed by a tanking Spurs team. The Mavs will be favored in both games. The Mavs will try to win because "they have a chance" which will take them past Chicago in the standings where they will finish in 11th place. At this point, unless either Dallas or OKC get upset they will not be making the play-in and will lose their pick.zgolfz85 said:
I'm just waiting for the inevitable worst case scenario of us squeaking in, losing play in, losing draft pick and losing kyrie
Big win by OKC tonight.
The Hoops Collective Podcast goes after Cuban! Tim MacMahon says “Cuban got pissed at me yesterday, called me a moron”. The reason was Tim calling BS on Mark’s statement about them not having a chance to outbid the Knicks to keep Brunson. 🤦🏻♂️ pic.twitter.com/78wagNhzkC
— SLO HOOPS FAN 🇸🇮 (@SloHoopsFan) April 7, 2023
Cuban is a cheap joke. Getting to be like Jerry Jones for me.
11.5 point favs tonight vs Bulls.
Cuban is far worse than Jerry.Zachary Klement said:The Hoops Collective Podcast goes after Cuban! Tim MacMahon says “Cuban got pissed at me yesterday, called me a moron”. The reason was Tim calling BS on Mark’s statement about them not having a chance to outbid the Knicks to keep Brunson. 🤦🏻♂️ pic.twitter.com/78wagNhzkC
— SLO HOOPS FAN 🇸🇮 (@SloHoopsFan) April 7, 2023
Cuban is a cheap joke. Getting to be like Jerry Jones for me.
Jerry can get ANYONE to sign and play here. Cuban is not only a complete clown, he can't attract talent.
He's easily the worst Dallas sports owner.
Kyrie Irving (right foot injury recovery), Josh Green (rest), Tim Hardaway Jr. (left ankle soreness), Maxi Kleber (right hamstring injury recovery) and Christian Wood (rest) will all miss tonight’s game against the Bulls.
— Mavs PR (@MavsPR) April 7, 2023
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