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The 2020 election was ultimately about whether America wanted to get ****ed by a guy in a red hat or get ****ed by a guy with dementia.

What a time t be alive!

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Trump turned the conversation to a favorite obsession, Hillary Clinton. Specifically, he spoke of a lawyer who had represented her when she was in a similar pickle: the recipient of a subpoena (hers was from Congress) demanding that she turn over emails from her home-brew, nongovernment, nonsecure server system. Humiliating emails she had no intention of surrendering.

According to Trump, then, she got herself a lawyer who would help her, you know, handle the subpoena. To the former president, this was the very model of legal acumen. Referring to this exemplary lawyer, Trump advised his two attorneys:

No Longer President Trump said:

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He was great, he did a great job. You know what? He said, he said that it that it was him. That he was the one who deleted all of her emails, the 30,000 emails, because they basically dealt with her scheduling and her going to the gym and her having beauty appointments. And he was great. And he, so she didn't get into any trouble because he said he was the one who deleted them.

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No, the evidence comes from Trump's lawyers. The people who were trying to minimize his criminal exposure and push back against his destructive tendencies. The people who were trying to help him.

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It's the Trump pattern: Good people try to help wrestle his demons, he gets his kicks out of making unsavory acts of loyalty the price of prestigious jobs, they finally realize the price is too high usually too late for their own good and he trashes them as they make their quietus. Rinse and repeat.

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Corcoran was not trying to hurt Trump, even though Trump had thought nothing of putting the lawyer's livelihood at risk. Corcoran provided the lurid testimony reflected in the indictment including Trump's suggestions that he falsely tell the FBI and grand jury that he did not have documents marked classified, and that he "pluck" out of a package of documents responsive to the subpoena "anything really bad in there" because the law required him to, not because he wanted to.

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The problem is that Clinton, Berger, Petraeus, and (soon) Biden get a pass.

It's not that Trump is owed a pass. It's that every official who is entrusted with access to the nation's secrets, and who then betrays that trust by willful law violations and cover-ups, should be prosecuted. Every . . . single . . . one.

And none of them has any business near power.

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The fix for a two-tiered justice system is not equal injustice under the law.

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If you tell me I need to look the other way on that because Hillary Clinton got a pass, I respectfully suggest that you've lost your way.

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Houstonag said:

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Trump was a good president and our economy , security, etc. were great. Other than the woke democrat cities and states where there are problems. (They have destroyed major cities and states.) Then the *****s let loose a virus to hurt the world and used that against Trump. The deep state lied from the beginning with Obama, Biden, Clinton, FBI, etc. about Russia.

If anyone believes that Trump was a bad guy then your logic is biased. Trump did nothing wrong. If you do not like his mannerism then you must be like the proverbial person who says do not confuse me with the facts.

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Houstonag said:

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Trump was a good president and our economy , security, etc. were great. Other than the woke democrat cities and states where there are problems. (They have destroyed major cities and states.) Then the *****s let loose a virus to hurt the world and used that against Trump. The deep state lied from the beginning with Obama, Biden, Clinton, FBI, etc. about Russia.

If anyone believes that Trump was a bad guy then your logic is biased. Trump did nothing wrong. If you do not like his mannerism then you must be like the proverbial person who says do not confuse me with the facts.

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Houstonag said:

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Trump was a good president and our economy , security, etc. were great. Other than the woke democrat cities and states where there are problems. (They have destroyed major cities and states.) Then the *****s let loose a virus to hurt the world and used that against Trump. The deep state lied from the beginning with Obama, Biden, Clinton, FBI, etc. about Russia.

If anyone believes that Trump was a bad guy then your logic is biased. Trump did nothing wrong. If you do not like his mannerism then you must be like the proverbial person who says do not confuse me with the facts.

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Manhattan said:

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The allegation is Biden got $5-$10mm? Okay, lock him up, now to Trump and the Kushner's two beez.

As for the gun application… there are probably thousands of people on this very site who smoke marijuana and have lied on a gun application.

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Charpie said:

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Nah. I'll take Trump in his own words telling staffers that he should have declassified the docs when he was President and he didn't.

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BMX Bandit said:

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That's part of the plan. Trump just setting up these bugs to Zap.

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Charpie said:

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And the way he acts…and the way he's been caught on tape multiple times..yup

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In the middle of directing the difficult task of transferring the historically important records of the Obama administration into the National Archives, the archivist in charge, David Ferriero, ran into a serious problem: A lot of key records are missing.

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And yet the accumulation of recent congressional testimony has made it clear that the Obama administration itself engaged in the wholesale destruction and "loss" of tens of thousands of government records covered under the act as well as the intentional evasion of the government records recording system by engaging in private email exchanges. So far, former President Obama, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, former Attorney General Lynch and several EPA officials have been named as offenders. The IRS suffered record "losses" as well. Former federal prosecutor Andrew McCarthy called it "an unauthorized private communications system for official business for the patent purpose of defeating federal record-keeping and disclosure laws."

Clearly, America's National Archives is facing the first major challenge to its historic role in preserving the records of the United States. What good is the National Archives administering a presidential library, like the planned Obama library in Chicago, if it is missing critical records of interest to scholars? And what's to prevent evasion of the entire federal records system by subsequent administrations to suit current politics rather than serve scholars for centuries to come?

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And marginalia may be the key to solving the puzzle of just what the late Sandy Berger, acting as former President Bill Clinton's representative, was destroying during his 2005 trips into the National Archives, where he stuffed papers into his clothing. Berger only got away with this twice before archive personnel kept tabs on him, but the first trips involved as yet uncatalogued material so no one really knows what he took. But there seemed to be copies in the archive of everything they caught him with. And archival libraries dependent upon physical papers are vulnerable.

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Berger was supposedly reviewing records for a Clinton response to the 9/11 Commission's considerations of mistakes made leading up to the attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Dean Emeritus of Boston University Law School Ronald Cass wonders if there was telling marginalia by Clinton or others on some of these documents that were not on the file copies. The Clintons seemed to have a longstanding problem with records, since the disappearance in 1994 and reappearance in 1996 of the subpoenaed Rose Law Firm files in the Clintons' private White House quarters.

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The Wall Street Journal editors provide more commentary on the relevant laws.

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The indictment levels 37 charges against Mr. Trump that are related to his handling of classified documents, including at his Mar-a-Lago club, since he left the White House. Thirty-one of the counts are for violating the ancient and seldom-enforced Espionage Act for the "willful retention of national defense information."

But it's striking, and legally notable, that the indictment never mentions the Presidential Records Act (PRA) that allows a President access to documents, both classified and unclassified, once he leaves office. It allows for good-faith negotiation with the National Archives. Yet the indictment assumes that Pres. Trump had no right to take any classified documents.

This doesn't fit the spirit or letter of the PRA, which was written by Congress to recognize that such documents had previously been the property of former Presidents. If the Espionage Act means Presidents can't retain any classified documents, then the PRA is all but meaningless. This will be part of Trump's defense.

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Logos Stick said:

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It seems Trumps ego got in the way and blinded him to the fact that there are two sets of justice now, one for conservatives and one for leftists. This despite the fact that he was subjected to it during his presidency.

He thought that because Hillary broke the law and got away with it, he could too, despite knowing how corrupt the left is. If this were a Dem pres and conservative DOJ, the raid would not have taken place and the whole matter would have dropped.

I totally get it. Pride and anger is a big motivator.

The country is irrevocably broken. All the radical liberals in this thread celebrating this are simply more proof of that.

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Manhattan said:

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Logos Stick said:

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It seems Trumps ego got in the way and blinded him to the fact that there are two sets of justice now, one for conservatives and one for leftists. This despite the fact that he was subjected to it during his presidency.

He thought that because Hillary broke the law and got away with it, he could too, despite knowing how corrupt the left is. If this were a Dem pres and conservative DOJ, the raid would not have taken place and the whole matter would have dropped.

I totally get it. Pride and anger is a big motivator.

The country is irrevocably broken. All the radical liberals in this thread celebrating this are simply more proof of that.

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this situation right now is the reason Hillary wasn't prosecuted, she would have been acquitted and you wouldn't be able to use the Hillary defense right now.

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Manhattan said:

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Logos Stick said:

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It seems Trumps ego got in the way and blinded him to the fact that there are two sets of justice now, one for conservatives and one for leftists. This despite the fact that he was subjected to it during his presidency.

He thought that because Hillary broke the law and got away with it, he could too, despite knowing how corrupt the left is. If this were a Dem pres and conservative DOJ, the raid would not have taken place and the whole matter would have dropped.

I totally get it. Pride and anger is a big motivator.

The country is irrevocably broken. All the radical liberals in this thread celebrating this are simply more proof of that.

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this situation right now is the reason Hillary wasn't prosecuted, she would have been acquitted and you wouldn't be able to use the Hillary defense right now.

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Logos Stick said:

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Manhattan said:

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Logos Stick said:

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It seems Trumps ego got in the way and blinded him to the fact that there are two sets of justice now, one for conservatives and one for leftists. This despite the fact that he was subjected to it during his presidency.

He thought that because Hillary broke the law and got away with it, he could too, despite knowing how corrupt the left is. If this were a Dem pres and conservative DOJ, the raid would not have taken place and the whole matter would have dropped.

I totally get it. Pride and anger is a big motivator.

The country is irrevocably broken. All the radical liberals in this thread celebrating this are simply more proof of that.

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this situation right now is the reason Hillary wasn't prosecuted, she would have been acquitted and you wouldn't be able to use the Hillary defense right now.

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Lie.

Hillary would have been convicted by a non biased jury. She broke the law, the FBI said she did.

She even destroyed evidence.

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eric76 said:

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fka ftc said:

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Deference to incumbent POTUS (in this case Trump).

It's a complicated history of the PRMPA, Nixon, SCOTUS ruling on Nixon, the PRA, then EOs of varying degree and conflict from Reagan on.

There have been several cases. Believe all give deference to incumbent POTUS.

I am not teaching you a glass on this. You can research yourself and form your own conclusions.

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Trump is hardly the incumbent President.

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Logos Stick said:

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Manhattan said:

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Logos Stick said:

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It seems Trumps ego got in the way and blinded him to the fact that there are two sets of justice now, one for conservatives and one for leftists. This despite the fact that he was subjected to it during his presidency.

He thought that because Hillary broke the law and got away with it, he could too, despite knowing how corrupt the left is. If this were a Dem pres and conservative DOJ, the raid would not have taken place and the whole matter would have dropped.

I totally get it. Pride and anger is a big motivator.

The country is irrevocably broken. All the radical liberals in this thread celebrating this are simply more proof of that.

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this situation right now is the reason Hillary wasn't prosecuted, she would have been acquitted and you wouldn't be able to use the Hillary defense right now.

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Nonsense.

Hillary would have been convicted by a non biased jury. She broke the law, the FBI said she did.

She even destroyed evidence.

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Manhattan said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Manhattan said:

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Logos Stick said:

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It seems Trumps ego got in the way and blinded him to the fact that there are two sets of justice now, one for conservatives and one for leftists. This despite the fact that he was subjected to it during his presidency.

He thought that because Hillary broke the law and got away with it, he could too, despite knowing how corrupt the left is. If this were a Dem pres and conservative DOJ, the raid would not have taken place and the whole matter would have dropped.

I totally get it. Pride and anger is a big motivator.

The country is irrevocably broken. All the radical liberals in this thread celebrating this are simply more proof of that.

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this situation right now is the reason Hillary wasn't prosecuted, she would have been acquitted and you wouldn't be able to use the Hillary defense right now.

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Nonsense.

Hillary would have been convicted by a non biased jury. She broke the law, the FBI said she did.

She even destroyed evidence.

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How convenient. All of the classified information was sent to her, she didn't remove it, all of those emails originated from government systems with records. A bunch of other people probably would have gone to jail for emailing her classified documents.

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Manhattan said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Nonsense.

Hillary would have been convicted by a non biased jury. She broke the law, the FBI said she did.

She even destroyed evidence.

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How convenient. All of the classified information was sent to her, she didn't remove it, all of those emails originated from government systems with records. A bunch of other people probably would have gone to jail for emailing her classified documents.

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