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So what happened to DJ?

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Talk about fading into Bolivia!

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If we were in Bolivia he'd have set a course record

I read "The Big Miss" and loved it. I get everybody saying that Haney stabbed him in the back and all, but the thing that's clear in the book is there isn't much loyalty from Tiger to anyone. The way he ignored those closest to him, including every one of his coaches, treated them like junk, he doesn't ingratiate himself to people very much.

And before you say, "Yeah, well they were getting handsomely paid." Not really. I was surprised they weren't making more by working with him. And he demanded them at a moment's notice all the time.

I read it too and thought it was pretty much what Haney said he was trying to do - provide some insight about the time he spent working with Tiger. Lots of people assume it is a book just to rip Tiger, but most of it is pretty positive about him. It also explains some things - his upbringing / background - now that we know about troubles. The one thing I would love to know is to what extent the "golf media" covered things up and for how long. It took tabloid journalism to break the story and I would bet there were many of the golf media celebs who knew about his transgressions.

I will never deny the fact that he is / was one of the greatest players to ever play the game. But a new era is taking shape with some really good and interesting young players, with Spieth currently taking the lead. Personally I'm glad for golf - it needs new blood. Spieth may not have won the British but he was darn close to being in that playoff. I'm happy Zach won because he is truly one of the good guys on the PGA tour.

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I read "The Big Miss" and loved it. I get everybody saying that Haney stabbed him in the back and all, but the thing that's clear in the book is there isn't much loyalty from Tiger to anyone. The way he ignored those closest to him, including every one of his coaches, treated them like junk, he doesn't ingratiate himself to people very much.

And before you say, "Yeah, well they were getting handsomely paid." Not really. I was surprised they weren't making more by working with him. And he demanded them at a moment's notice all the time.

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Which is precisely why Jordan Spieth is so warmly received by an adoring public. He appears to be everything Tiger is not.
Can't help believeing parenting has a lot to do with it too.

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Spieth seems like a fine young man. I have no reason to suspect otherwise. But let's not make the mistake of putting him on a pedestal. He's a human being. I'm sure he has lots of faults just like the rest of us.

I love watching him play golf. I like that he is charismatic and respectful. I'm glad that he is charitable. But I don't know him. I love watching him play golf. If it comes out on TMZ that he's addicted to some weird brand of porn or smokes weed with his college buddies or something then I will still love to watch him play golf.

I get your point, and I've not placed him on any pedestal. I've merely recognized and acknowledged his behavior. His genuine displays of respect and humility are genuine and most welcome, and a contrast to the example Tiger has been.

And I do not believe I am being unreasonably generous with my praise, as I am convinced it is deserved. Doesn't mean that I consider him perfect nor infallible, because I don't! But I simply appreciate his "style". It's first class.

Finally got to see ZJs post win interview. Good stuff. Seems like a great guy.

I absolutely agree with your comment.


Excuse me while I go get another tatoo.

Same here. Not looking for a Jesus that can wield a flatstick. But what I've seen as well as heard from oeople that know him is that he's a mature, humble, and genuine individual.

Not to mention, my list of PGA aholes that I don't like is very short. Even Mickelson and his figjam rep isn't on it. You have to put up a strong and consistent track record of being a dick to make it on. Watson is one of the few that has.

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IF you had to choose between the two, would you rather have had Tom Watson win in 2009, or Jordan Speith in 2015?

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Great question. I'm Torn. Always loved Watson and would've loved to seen him win that year. However, I'd like to see the grand slam won during my lifetime, so I was pulling really hard for Speith.

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I was pulling for Speith too and could care less that he went to Texas.

But to your quote Tiger Woods won the grand slam in your lifetime. He held all four at the same time. To me that's the point. But I understand why others feel it has to be in a calendar year.


And I'm happy for Johnson. Great champion.

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Right. But I was talking about the calendar year slam which hasn't been done since Hogan in the 50's.

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IF you had to choose between the two, would you rather have had Tom Watson win in 2009, or Jordan Speith in 2015?

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Great question. I'm Torn. Always loved Watson and would've loved to seen him win that year. However, I'd like to see the grand slam won during my lifetime, so I was pulling really hard for Speith.

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I was pulling for Speith too and could care less that he went to Texas.

But to your quote Tiger Woods won the grand slam in your lifetime. He held all four at the same time. To me that's the point. But I understand why others feel it has to be in a calendar year.


And I'm happy for Johnson. Great champion.

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Right. But I was talking about the calendar year slam which hasn't been done since Hogan in the 50's.

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I thought I read it hadn't been done since 1900?

No, Hogan did it in 1953 I believe or thereabouts.

Tiger achieved what they now refer to as the "Tiger Slam" - held all 4 titles at the same time, but did not win them all in the same calendar year.

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No, Hogan did it in 1953 I believe or thereabouts.

Tiger achieved what they now refer to as the "Tiger Slam" - held all 4 titles at the same time, but did not win them all in the same calendar year.

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Ben Hogan never won a calendar year grand slam either.

Hogan won the first 3... but the BO and the PGA were the same week... so he couldn't win all four... if my memory book serves me correctly

I believe Bobby Jones won the calender slam... when it was the US Am, British AM, US Open and British Open

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No, Hogan did it in 1953 I believe or thereabouts.

Tiger achieved what they now refer to as the "Tiger Slam" - held all 4 titles at the same time, but did not win them all in the same calendar year.

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Ben Hogan never won a calendar year grand slam either.

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Wow. I'm really a doofus. You're right he didn't play the PGA that year. Flame away guys.

So, in the current configuration of slam events, no one's ever completed a calendar year slam?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Slam_(golf)

Bobby jones did. Sort of

No one has ever won a modern Grand Slam in golf.

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Perhaps coincidentally, the sports apparel company's stock dipped from its session high of $89.47 at around 1:34 p.m. ET to as low as $88.79 at about 1:47 p.m. ET after Spieth's shot.

With a market cap of about $19.2 billion and roughly 215.7 million shares outstanding, the dip translates into a loss of about $120 million

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Costly bogey

So would yall say Jordan choked?

It was pretty much a consensus that DJ choked away the US Open in a similar situation. They were both behind when starting play on the 72nd hole chasing someone in the clubhouse. They both needed a birdie to force the playoff. They both put themselves in a position to do it. They both didn't close.

Choke or not?

I don't think DJ choked, but what you're going to hear from people is that three-putting from 12' is not the same as failing to get up and down from 85 yards.

Yeah I know. That's kinda the debate. Is it the same? Or even better, how did he not birdie a 350 yard Par 4 for a chance at the Open Championship?

I don't think either one of them did, but if you were in the DJ choked camp I don't see how could not say that Jordan did too.

I believe he choked. The approach shot on 18 was a choke, IMO. That was a terrible shot at the worst time.

Spieth is 21, is already accomplished, and obviously has a bright future on the tour.

That being said, what he appears to be in how he carries himself and what he is behind closed doors could be completely different. He has two majors and he already occasionally gets whiny and pouty on the course - just wait until he racks up more and the internal pressure/expectations he places on himself builds up. People who take issue with Tiger's tantrums may very well see some spectacles from Spieth.

I view him the same as I view Tiger, in that they both provide great entertainment as a spectator of the sport. Im not concerned with their image.

He had the wrong yardage on 18. Announcers said 94 he said 88... Id say the tee shot on 18 was more of a choke, but I wouldnt say he choked.

I don't think 18 was a choke at all for Spieth. My guess is that he felt like he needed to bomb a drive to improve his chance at birdie and just didn't hit it like he wanted to. I'd also hazard to guess that if he had it to do over again, he wouldn't want a second chance at his drive on 18, he'd want another crack at his tee shot on 8 that led to double.

Here's the way the course played for the final round listed with the easiest hole first and hardest hole last (in relation to par) along with Spieth's score for each:

5 - Birdie
10 - Birdie
9 - Birdie
1 - Birdie
7 - par
6 - Birdie
18 - par
11 - par
2 - par
12 - par
3 - par
4 - par
8 - Double Bogey
15 - par
14 - par
16 - Birdie
13 - par
17 - Bogie


For the most part he birdied the holes he should have (5 of the 6 easiest holes) and played well enough to avoid bogie on most of the others. The double on 8 being the big exception. Par or bogey on 8 and things look a lot different for him standing on the 18th tee.

Great analysis

He drained the bomb on 16 to tie the lead, and then played one over par, rabbit ears golf the rest of the way in.

Of course he choked. The moment was bigger than he was, and he could't handle it.

What would you call it?

Bad luck?

Spieth tied the lead on 16, hit a crappy tee ball on 17, an approach short right, an average chip, a missed putt for par. On 18, a crappy drive, a worse approach into the VOS, a putt that had no chance.

If that's not a choke, Greg Norman would like to have a word with you.

I'll use the same logic I used with DJ.

It's not considered a choke if you're chasing the leader and you're playing for a tie.

Just like DJ, a birdie on 18 simply extends the play. There's no guarantee he wins the tourney with a birdie.

Again, if you think DJ choked then Jordan choked as well.