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Are you a doctor?

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No. I'm not claiming to be. That's why I'm linking to high quality research done by medical experts.

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You're making statements of fact and telling people to ignore advice given by doctors.

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Wait, what are the people advocating Ivermectin and HCQ doing regarding the advice of doctors and major medical societies?

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Are you a doctor?

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No. I'm not claiming to be. That's why I'm linking to high quality research done by medical experts.

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You're making statements of fact and telling people to ignore advice given by doctors.

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Wait, what are the people advocating Ivermectin and HCQ doing regarding the advice of doctors and major medical societies?

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I am simply sharing my experience from my own doctor who has been treating patients here in the Austin area for over 20 years. He prescribed the drugs. I didn't ask for them. I know several others who have been prescribed both drugs by other doctors. Yet here you are telling people not to listen to their doctors.

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Are you a doctor?

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No. I'm not claiming to be. That's why I'm linking to high quality research done by medical experts.

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You're making statements of fact and telling people to ignore advice given by doctors.

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Wait, what are the people advocating Ivermectin and HCQ doing regarding the advice of doctors and major medical societies?

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I am simply sharing my experience from my own doctor who has been treating patients here in the Austin area for over 20 years. He prescribed the drugs. I didn't ask for them. I know several others who have been prescribed both drugs by other doctors. Yet here you are telling people not to listen to their doctors.

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Ok. What is your doctor's specialty? And what research is he using to reach his decisions? Again, I'm linking to the research that's been done. Large studies using various cohorts and models, that all reach the same conclusion. MDs can be wrong, too.

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You just don't get it do you? Not trying to be mean here.

But no one cares about that. It's a personal choice issue. There are studies on both sides. They don't matter either.

This is almost a free country. Others can counter every study you post. Plus the way the government has lied about just about everything and mandated that people go home and wait to die with absolutely no treatment was terrible in the beginning.

There actually was death before Covid.

We should be more concerned with who developed this virus and how it escaped from the lab so we can prevent this in the future. We were lucky it wasn't worse.

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There aren't "studies on both sides." There are multiple high-quality, well-structured research studies on one side and anecdotes, fabricated evidence, or studies with serious confounding issues on the other side. With a virus and with drugs like antibiotics, the actions of individuals have an impact on others and our long term ability to treat certain conditions and bacteria. That's why it's important to use good research to address treatment protocols.

The government has absolutely made mistakes, but that's expected with novel viruses. When you have an unknown, you try to address it using best practices. Sometimes that causes more harm than intended simply because of a lack of information.

And you seem convinced this is all a conspiracy, so I'm not sure how much any of this can actually get through. The evidence isn't great for a lab leak hypothesis, and yet you're treating it as a certainty.

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I think you've almost gotten through! Keep trying and maybe you can get a guest slot on CNN to talk about how effective the vaccines are despite plenty of evidence of people are getting omicron despite being vaccinated.

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Yes, vaccinated people are getting Omicron. Have I said otherwise? We're still learning more about the new variant. Recent vaccination seems to help significantly. And the hospitalized and dying are overwhelmingly unvaccinated or immunocompromised.

Do you equally demonize the doctors on this site who are telling people to take Vitamin D, zinc, quercetin, NAS, aspirin, vitamin c, and other supplements? Or is your quest just to demonize hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin?

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Are you a doctor?

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No. I'm not claiming to be. That's why I'm linking to high quality research done by medical experts.

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You're making statements of fact and telling people to ignore advice given by doctors.

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Wait, what are the people advocating Ivermectin and HCQ doing regarding the advice of doctors and major medical societies?

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I am simply sharing my experience from my own doctor who has been treating patients here in the Austin area for over 20 years. He prescribed the drugs. I didn't ask for them. I know several others who have been prescribed both drugs by other doctors. Yet here you are telling people not to listen to their doctors.

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Ok. What is your doctor's specialty? And what research is he using to reach his decisions? Again, I'm linking to the research that's been done. Large studies using various cohorts and models, that all reach the same conclusion. MDs can be wrong, too.

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Oh, I know MDs can be wrong. You'll never hear me claim otherwise. Your studies can be wrong as well.

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Are you a doctor?

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No. I'm not claiming to be. That's why I'm linking to high quality research done by medical experts.

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You're making statements of fact and telling people to ignore advice given by doctors.

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Wait, what are the people advocating Ivermectin and HCQ doing regarding the advice of doctors and major medical societies?

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I am simply sharing my experience from my own doctor who has been treating patients here in the Austin area for over 20 years. He prescribed the drugs. I didn't ask for them. I know several others who have been prescribed both drugs by other doctors. Yet here you are telling people not to listen to their doctors.

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Ok. What is your doctor's specialty? And what research is he using to reach his decisions? Again, I'm linking to the research that's been done. Large studies using various cohorts and models, that all reach the same conclusion. MDs can be wrong, too.

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Oh, I know MDs can be wrong. You'll never hear me claim otherwise. Your studies can be wrong as well.

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Okay. But you would agree that multiple high quality studies with large cohorts are less likely to make a significant error?

Sorry, I didn't realize you have been working for the past 2 years saving patients. Quercetin (or Hydroxychloroquine) is not intended to be used as an anti-inflammatory. Both are zinc ionophores that don't work well without zinc. As I heard explained in this video (11:45 mark), zinc is the bullet and the zinc ionophore is the gun. It is harder for one to be effective without the other. Maybe that is why some of the HCQ studies fail?

https://rumble.com/vqjt12-doctors-orders.html

"There is evidence that vitamin C and quercetin co-administration exerts a synergistic antiviral action due to overlapping antiviral and immunomodulatory properties and the capacity of ascorbate to recycle quercetin, increasing its efficacy."

Thanks for the info on Azithromycin. As I said, we chose not to use it.

As recent as 2 weeks ago, Ivermectin appeared on the NIH website as 1 of 3 treatments being evaluated. After at least 6 months, they still haven't rejected it.

From what I have heard, Remdesivir appears to work for some if used within the first 5 days. We chose not to use it because we didn't want to go to the hospital, the cost, and because it was dropped from the NIH study in 2019.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/two-drugs-reduce-risk-death-ebola

"Overall, about 50% of people who received either Zmapp or remdesivir died during the trial. In contrast, only about 35% of people who received either Mab114 or REGN-EB3 died. Three participants died of side effects thought to be related to treatmenttwo in the ZMapp group and one in the remdesivir group."

Not sure how you can say there aren't studies on both sides for HCQ.

https://c19hcq.com/

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Do you equally demonize the doctors on this site who are telling people to take Vitamin D, zinc, quercetin, NAS, aspirin, vitamin c, and other supplements? Or is your quest just to demonize hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin?

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I'm not demonizing anyone or anything. HCQ and Ivermectin are excellent drugs when they are used for disorders that they work against. If used inappropriately, at best they are a waste of money. At worst, they cause harm to the patient or increase the likelihood of resistance developing from susceptible organisms. That's not a minor concern.

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Are you a doctor?

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No. I'm not claiming to be. That's why I'm linking to high quality research done by medical experts.

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You're making statements of fact and telling people to ignore advice given by doctors.

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Wait, what are the people advocating Ivermectin and HCQ doing regarding the advice of doctors and major medical societies?

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I am simply sharing my experience from my own doctor who has been treating patients here in the Austin area for over 20 years. He prescribed the drugs. I didn't ask for them. I know several others who have been prescribed both drugs by other doctors. Yet here you are telling people not to listen to their doctors.

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Ok. What is your doctor's specialty? And what research is he using to reach his decisions? Again, I'm linking to the research that's been done. Large studies using various cohorts and models, that all reach the same conclusion. MDs can be wrong, too.

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Oh, I know MDs can be wrong. You'll never hear me claim otherwise. Your studies can be wrong as well.

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Okay. But you would agree that multiple high quality studies with large cohorts are less likely to make a significant error?

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Sure. I don't have the time to examine or review the many studies who are thrown around on this board.

There are a lot of "facts" that have been debunked over time and the CDC or governing bodies have not been completely honest throughout this pandemic. It is heavily politicized and the push for vaccines over therapeutics and/or natural immunity should be clear to anyone who has been following along.

Look at the mask efficacy where they have flip-flopped and no real data to support the use and regulation of masks. Fake numbers on efficacy.

The continuous changing understanding of the efficacy of vaccines.

CDC trying to use a weaker study that vaccine immunity better than natural immunity over better Israeli study that shows natural immunity is better than vaccine immunity.

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Let it go dude.. You are a freak about this. COVID insanity is real and you have it 100%

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This is a Covid board. I'm discussing the work done by professionals on this topic. Why are you so emotional about this?

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aggierogue said:

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Are you a doctor?

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No. I'm not claiming to be. That's why I'm linking to high quality research done by medical experts.

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You're making statements of fact and telling people to ignore advice given by doctors.

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Wait, what are the people advocating Ivermectin and HCQ doing regarding the advice of doctors and major medical societies?

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I am simply sharing my experience from my own doctor who has been treating patients here in the Austin area for over 20 years. He prescribed the drugs. I didn't ask for them. I know several others who have been prescribed both drugs by other doctors. Yet here you are telling people not to listen to their doctors.

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Ok. What is your doctor's specialty? And what research is he using to reach his decisions? Again, I'm linking to the research that's been done. Large studies using various cohorts and models, that all reach the same conclusion. MDs can be wrong, too.

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Oh, I know MDs can be wrong. You'll never hear me claim otherwise. Your studies can be wrong as well.

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Okay. But you would agree that multiple high quality studies with large cohorts are less likely to make a significant error?

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Sure. I don't have the time to examine or review the many studies who are thrown around on this board.

There are a lot of "facts" that have been debunked over time and the CDC or governing bodies have not been completely honest throughout this pandemic. It is heavily politicized and the push for vaccines over therapeutics and/or natural immunity should be clear to anyone who has been following along.

Look at the mask efficacy where they have flip-flopped and no real data to support the use and regulation of masks. Fake numbers on efficacy.

The continuous changing understanding of the efficacy of vaccines.

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"Natural immunity" has resulted in over 800,000 dead Americans and overwhelmed healthcare systems. It would seem logical to push for the most efficacious public health and medical responses to the virus. The vaccine IS the most efficacious response. Masking does work, but no one is claiming masks alone are a panacea. The response to both of these things has been political rather than scientific.

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aggierogue said:

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Are you a doctor?

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No. I'm not claiming to be. That's why I'm linking to high quality research done by medical experts.

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You're making statements of fact and telling people to ignore advice given by doctors.

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Wait, what are the people advocating Ivermectin and HCQ doing regarding the advice of doctors and major medical societies?

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I am simply sharing my experience from my own doctor who has been treating patients here in the Austin area for over 20 years. He prescribed the drugs. I didn't ask for them. I know several others who have been prescribed both drugs by other doctors. Yet here you are telling people not to listen to their doctors.

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Ok. What is your doctor's specialty? And what research is he using to reach his decisions? Again, I'm linking to the research that's been done. Large studies using various cohorts and models, that all reach the same conclusion. MDs can be wrong, too.

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Oh, I know MDs can be wrong. You'll never hear me claim otherwise. Your studies can be wrong as well.

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Okay. But you would agree that multiple high quality studies with large cohorts are less likely to make a significant error?

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Sure. I don't have the time to examine or review the many studies who are thrown around on this board.

There are a lot of "facts" that have been debunked over time and the CDC or governing bodies have not been completely honest throughout this pandemic. It is heavily politicized and the push for vaccines over therapeutics and/or natural immunity should be clear to anyone who has been following along.

Look at the mask efficacy where they have flip-flopped and no real data to support the use and regulation of masks. Fake numbers on efficacy.

The continuous changing understanding of the efficacy of vaccines.

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"Natural immunity" has resulted in over 800,000 dead Americans and overwhelmed healthcare systems. It would seem logical to push for the most efficacious public health and medical responses to the virus. The vaccine IS the most efficacious response. Masking does work, but no one is claiming masks alone are a panacea. The response to both of these things has been political rather than scientific.

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Lol. Which dead Americans? People who died before vaccines were available or people who have died after vaccines were available but failed to get vaccinated?

Virtually no one is dying from reinfections with natural immunity.

The CDC is trying to use a weaker study that vaccine immunity is better than natural immunity over better Israeli study that shows natural immunity is better than vaccine immunity.

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Why can't you just let people do what they do? No one needs or cares about your misinformation.

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Misinformation? I've only linked to studies published in the most prominent medical journals in the US. If you can show how they're wrong, I'm all ears.

And this is a pandemic. What people do can affect others or contribute to the problems our healthcare workers are facing. Life expectancy in the US dropped by over 2 years since 2020, taking us back to the 1980s. That's not a good thing.

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aggierogue said:

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Are you a doctor?

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No. I'm not claiming to be. That's why I'm linking to high quality research done by medical experts.

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You're making statements of fact and telling people to ignore advice given by doctors.

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Wait, what are the people advocating Ivermectin and HCQ doing regarding the advice of doctors and major medical societies?

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I am simply sharing my experience from my own doctor who has been treating patients here in the Austin area for over 20 years. He prescribed the drugs. I didn't ask for them. I know several others who have been prescribed both drugs by other doctors. Yet here you are telling people not to listen to their doctors.

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Ok. What is your doctor's specialty? And what research is he using to reach his decisions? Again, I'm linking to the research that's been done. Large studies using various cohorts and models, that all reach the same conclusion. MDs can be wrong, too.

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Oh, I know MDs can be wrong. You'll never hear me claim otherwise. Your studies can be wrong as well.

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Okay. But you would agree that multiple high quality studies with large cohorts are less likely to make a significant error?

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Sure. I don't have the time to examine or review the many studies who are thrown around on this board.

There are a lot of "facts" that have been debunked over time and the CDC or governing bodies have not been completely honest throughout this pandemic. It is heavily politicized and the push for vaccines over therapeutics and/or natural immunity should be clear to anyone who has been following along.

Look at the mask efficacy where they have flip-flopped and no real data to support the use and regulation of masks. Fake numbers on efficacy.

The continuous changing understanding of the efficacy of vaccines.

---

"Natural immunity" has resulted in over 800,000 dead Americans and overwhelmed healthcare systems. It would seem logical to push for the most efficacious public health and medical responses to the virus. The vaccine IS the most efficacious response. Masking does work, but no one is claiming masks alone are a panacea. The response to both of these things has been political rather than scientific.

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Lol. Which dead Americans? People who died before vaccines were available or people who have died after vaccines were available but failed to get vaccinated?

Virtually no one is dying from reinfections with natural immunity.

The CDC is trying to use a weaker study that vaccine immunity is better than natural immunity over better Israeli study that shows natural immunity is better than vaccine immunity.

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In both cases, those people died on the natural immunity route to addressing Covid. I'd say seeking natural immunity has a much higher incidence of side effects than vaccines. I'm not arguing that having a prior infection helps fight future infections, and the data is still being studied and debated. It doesn't look great for avoiding Omicron, however.

A couple of points:

1. I have ZERO concern of dying of Covid now that I have gotten Covid and recovered. I am not vaccinated. When you can show me the tens or hundreds of verified cases of people who have survived Covid and then died after getting reinfected, I will listen to you. IT DOESN'T EXIST.

2. There is no proof masks work. Yet millions of people have become accustomed to using them to feel safer much like Linus and his blankie. There is no good evidence that forcing masks on children in school does anything to prevent Covid transmission. There is increasing evidence hand sanitizer doesn't work.

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Are you a doctor?

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No. I'm not claiming to be. That's why I'm linking to high quality research done by medical experts.

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You're making statements of fact and telling people to ignore advice given by doctors.

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Wait, what are the people advocating Ivermectin and HCQ doing regarding the advice of doctors and major medical societies?

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I am simply sharing my experience from my own doctor who has been treating patients here in the Austin area for over 20 years. He prescribed the drugs. I didn't ask for them. I know several others who have been prescribed both drugs by other doctors. Yet here you are telling people not to listen to their doctors.

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Ok. What is your doctor's specialty? And what research is he using to reach his decisions? Again, I'm linking to the research that's been done. Large studies using various cohorts and models, that all reach the same conclusion. MDs can be wrong, too.

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Oh, I know MDs can be wrong. You'll never hear me claim otherwise. Your studies can be wrong as well.

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Okay. But you would agree that multiple high quality studies with large cohorts are less likely to make a significant error?

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Sure. I don't have the time to examine or review the many studies who are thrown around on this board.

There are a lot of "facts" that have been debunked over time and the CDC or governing bodies have not been completely honest throughout this pandemic. It is heavily politicized and the push for vaccines over therapeutics and/or natural immunity should be clear to anyone who has been following along.

Look at the mask efficacy where they have flip-flopped and no real data to support the use and regulation of masks. Fake numbers on efficacy.

The continuous changing understanding of the efficacy of vaccines.

---

"Natural immunity" has resulted in over 800,000 dead Americans and overwhelmed healthcare systems. It would seem logical to push for the most efficacious public health and medical responses to the virus. The vaccine IS the most efficacious response. Masking does work, but no one is claiming masks alone are a panacea. The response to both of these things has been political rather than scientific.

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Lol. Which dead Americans? People who died before vaccines were available or people who have died after vaccines were available but failed to get vaccinated?

Virtually no one is dying from reinfections with natural immunity.

The CDC is trying to use a weaker study that vaccine immunity is better than natural immunity over better Israeli study that shows natural immunity is better than vaccine immunity.

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In both cases, those people died on the natural immunity route to addressing Covid. I'd say seeking natural immunity has a much higher incidence of side effects than vaccines. I'm not arguing that having a prior infection helps fight future infections, and the data is still being studied and debated. It doesn't look great for avoiding Omicron, however.

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I have zero concern about Omicron as I recovered from Covid in October and have natural immunity (which is a broader immunity than vaccines). I can certainly understand why a vaccinated person would be concerned. It's not stopping you from infection, and your booster might actually work against you.

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Are you a doctor?

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No. I'm not claiming to be. That's why I'm linking to high quality research done by medical experts.

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You're making statements of fact and telling people to ignore advice given by doctors.

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Wait, what are the people advocating Ivermectin and HCQ doing regarding the advice of doctors and major medical societies?

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I am simply sharing my experience from my own doctor who has been treating patients here in the Austin area for over 20 years. He prescribed the drugs. I didn't ask for them. I know several others who have been prescribed both drugs by other doctors. Yet here you are telling people not to listen to their doctors.

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Ok. What is your doctor's specialty? And what research is he using to reach his decisions? Again, I'm linking to the research that's been done. Large studies using various cohorts and models, that all reach the same conclusion. MDs can be wrong, too.

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Oh, I know MDs can be wrong. You'll never hear me claim otherwise. Your studies can be wrong as well.

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Okay. But you would agree that multiple high quality studies with large cohorts are less likely to make a significant error?

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Sure. I don't have the time to examine or review the many studies who are thrown around on this board.

There are a lot of "facts" that have been debunked over time and the CDC or governing bodies have not been completely honest throughout this pandemic. It is heavily politicized and the push for vaccines over therapeutics and/or natural immunity should be clear to anyone who has been following along.

Look at the mask efficacy where they have flip-flopped and no real data to support the use and regulation of masks. Fake numbers on efficacy.

The continuous changing understanding of the efficacy of vaccines.

---

"Natural immunity" has resulted in over 800,000 dead Americans and overwhelmed healthcare systems. It would seem logical to push for the most efficacious public health and medical responses to the virus. The vaccine IS the most efficacious response. Masking does work, but no one is claiming masks alone are a panacea. The response to both of these things has been political rather than scientific.

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Lol. Which dead Americans? People who died before vaccines were available or people who have died after vaccines were available but failed to get vaccinated?

Virtually no one is dying from reinfections with natural immunity.

The CDC is trying to use a weaker study that vaccine immunity is better than natural immunity over better Israeli study that shows natural immunity is better than vaccine immunity.

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In both cases, those people died on the natural immunity route to addressing Covid. I'd say seeking natural immunity has a much higher incidence of side effects than vaccines. I'm not arguing that having a prior infection helps fight future infections, and the data is still being studied and debated. It doesn't look great for avoiding Omicron, however.

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Choosing to not get vaccinated is a risk. No argument there. But you're using deaths of the unvaccinated to argue against natural immunity. That's a different argument.

I am simply talking about people who are unvaccinated, contracted Covid, and survived. Those people have the best immunity. And there are studies showing it.

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Why can't you just let people do what they do? No one needs or cares about your misinformation.

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Misinformation? I've only linked to studies published in the most prominent medical journals in the US. If you can show how they're wrong, I'm all ears.

And this is a pandemic. What people do can affect others or contribute to the problems our healthcare workers are facing. Life expectancy in the US dropped by over 2 years since 2020, taking us back to the 1980s. That's not a good thing.

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Just wanted to tell you thank you for the effort you have put into this threading dispelling misinformation. I have no issues with anything you have posted here, as it is all consistent with our current evidence base. It's amazing how awful the echo chamber has become on here with regard to COVID misinformation.

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Why can't you just let people do what they do? No one needs or cares about your misinformation.

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Misinformation? I've only linked to studies published in the most prominent medical journals in the US. If you can show how they're wrong, I'm all ears.

And this is a pandemic. What people do can affect others or contribute to the problems our healthcare workers are facing. Life expectancy in the US dropped by over 2 years since 2020, taking us back to the 1980s. That's not a good thing.

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Just wanted to tell you thank you for the effort you have put into this threading dispelling misinformation. I have no issues with anything you have posted here, as it is all consistent with our current evidence base. It's amazing how awful the echo chamber has become on here with regard to COVID misinformation.

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Completely agree.

Supper, where do you go to get quality information? This board was halfway decent at one time, but has since become largely worthless. I've now turned to professionals and doctors on Twitter, but would like something even better, if possible.

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Supper, where do you go to get quality information? This board was halfway decent at one time, but has since become largely worthless. I've now turned to professionals and doctors on Twitter, but would like something even better, if possible.

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I work in academia, so some of it is access to databases. But if you specifically add "jama" or "Nejm" to your searches, you can see if they've published any information on the topic. Obviously not every study they publish is going to turn out to be accurate, but they are the highest quality sources in the medicine in general, unless you know the field-specific journals. Most of their stuff, especially on Covid, is free to access.

Thanks.

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Why can't you just let people do what they do? No one needs or cares about your misinformation.

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Misinformation? I've only linked to studies published in the most prominent medical journals in the US. If you can show how they're wrong, I'm all ears.

And this is a pandemic. What people do can affect others or contribute to the problems our healthcare workers are facing. Life expectancy in the US dropped by over 2 years since 2020, taking us back to the 1980s. That's not a good thing.

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Just wanted to tell you thank you for the effort you have put into this threading dispelling misinformation. I have no issues with anything you have posted here, as it is all consistent with our current evidence base. It's amazing how awful the echo chamber has become on here with regard to COVID misinformation.

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Thanks for everything you've done here and in your practice for the last two years.

Thank you to Sapper and Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag. I appreciate both of you and your efforts to communicate data-based information.

well - let's just leave some data here:

https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2052297520301281?via%3Dihub

https://journals.lww.com/jcma/Fulltext/2021/02000/Systematic_review_and_meta_analysis_of_the.19.aspx

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920304258?via%3Dihub

Now, I know there are dozens more to pull from regarding HCQ, but at this point everyone has picked their poison. Of note, the only animal based studies judging the effectiveness and safety of mRNA therapy had near 100% mortality, but that didn't stop Trump et. al. from jumping the gun.

Vaccines during Pandemics do not work unless you can gaurantee a complete inoculation and guarantee NO viral leak. These have been truisms of publich health and infectious disease control in Western Medicine prior to the advent of modern vaccinogy (profit motive). Proof positive that vaccinating does not control and cannot control a highly mutagenic and transmissable respiratory virus is none other than the Flu Vaccine.

We have leaky vaccines, and will have more variants which will beget more vaccines, but instead of the devil we know (traditional vaccines) we have the devil we don't know (mRNA/nanoparticle drugs). The entire vaccinated public could succumb to overwhelming inflammatory dysregulation as evidenced by prior in-vivo trials demonstrating this very outcome, it was not theoretical, but proven through animal experimentation. So, the warning of drug safety from this crowd rings hollow in the ears of providers that have first hand experience seeing patients die, and often rescuing patients from death; the only notable difference between the two being the absence of some form of early treatment.

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Are you a doctor?

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No. I'm not claiming to be. That's why I'm linking to high quality research done by medical experts.

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You're making statements of fact and telling people to ignore advice given by doctors.

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Wait, what are the people advocating Ivermectin and HCQ doing regarding the advice of doctors and major medical societies?

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I am simply sharing my experience from my own doctor who has been treating patients here in the Austin area for over 20 years. He prescribed the drugs. I didn't ask for them. I know several others who have been prescribed both drugs by other doctors. Yet here you are telling people not to listen to their doctors.

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Ok. What is your doctor's specialty? And what research is he using to reach his decisions? Again, I'm linking to the research that's been done. Large studies using various cohorts and models, that all reach the same conclusion. MDs can be wrong, too.

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Oh, I know MDs can be wrong. You'll never hear me claim otherwise. Your studies can be wrong as well.

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Okay. But you would agree that multiple high quality studies with large cohorts are less likely to make a significant error?

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Sure. I don't have the time to examine or review the many studies who are thrown around on this board.

There are a lot of "facts" that have been debunked over time and the CDC or governing bodies have not been completely honest throughout this pandemic. It is heavily politicized and the push for vaccines over therapeutics and/or natural immunity should be clear to anyone who has been following along.

Look at the mask efficacy where they have flip-flopped and no real data to support the use and regulation of masks. Fake numbers on efficacy.

The continuous changing understanding of the efficacy of vaccines.

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"Natural immunity" has resulted in over 800,000 dead Americans and overwhelmed healthcare systems. It would seem logical to push for the most efficacious public health and medical responses to the virus. The vaccine IS the most efficacious response. Masking does work, but no one is claiming masks alone are a panacea. The response to both of these things has been political rather than scientific.

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If the number is truly 800,000 dead Americans; you must also believe the USA has the worst response to Covid, than any other country in the world?

If you don't believe we have the worst medical response in the world than how do you reconcile 800,000 dead? Is it possible these numbers are significantly overstated given the known number of serious comorbidities?

If your an expert on reviewing the data by other medical professionals, what do think of the efficacy or risk reward with what is presented on pages 11&12 of below link, which show Pfizer's own original trial data?

https://www.canadiancovidcarealliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/The-COVID-19-Inoculations-More-Harm-Than-Good-REV-Dec-16-2021.pdf

Just driving by my Doctor uses the same vitamin regime as Dr Rev
For the most at risk he recommends monoclonal antibodies
For the healthier or can't get the monoclonal antibodies , he still will issue a cocktail of
HCQ
Azithromycin
Eliquis
Steroid

I asked him about all the studies that says it does nothing, he claimed there are studies that show it works as well. Most of his patients are over 70 and he has lost no one so not budging

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aggierogue said:

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aggierogue said:

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aggierogue said:

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Are you a doctor?

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No. I'm not claiming to be. That's why I'm linking to high quality research done by medical experts.

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You're making statements of fact and telling people to ignore advice given by doctors.

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Wait, what are the people advocating Ivermectin and HCQ doing regarding the advice of doctors and major medical societies?

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I am simply sharing my experience from my own doctor who has been treating patients here in the Austin area for over 20 years. He prescribed the drugs. I didn't ask for them. I know several others who have been prescribed both drugs by other doctors. Yet here you are telling people not to listen to their doctors.

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Ok. What is your doctor's specialty? And what research is he using to reach his decisions? Again, I'm linking to the research that's been done. Large studies using various cohorts and models, that all reach the same conclusion. MDs can be wrong, too.

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Oh, I know MDs can be wrong. You'll never hear me claim otherwise. Your studies can be wrong as well.

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Okay. But you would agree that multiple high quality studies with large cohorts are less likely to make a significant error?

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Sure. I don't have the time to examine or review the many studies who are thrown around on this board.

There are a lot of "facts" that have been debunked over time and the CDC or governing bodies have not been completely honest throughout this pandemic. It is heavily politicized and the push for vaccines over therapeutics and/or natural immunity should be clear to anyone who has been following along.

Look at the mask efficacy where they have flip-flopped and no real data to support the use and regulation of masks. Fake numbers on efficacy.

The continuous changing understanding of the efficacy of vaccines.

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"Natural immunity" has resulted in over 800,000 dead Americans and overwhelmed healthcare systems. It would seem logical to push for the most efficacious public health and medical responses to the virus. The vaccine IS the most efficacious response. Masking does work, but no one is claiming masks alone are a panacea. The response to both of these things has been political rather than scientific.

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If the number is truly 800,000 dead Americans; you must also believe the USA has the worst response to Covid, than any other country in the world?

If you don't believe we have the worst medical response in the world than how do you reconcile 800,000 dead? Is it possible these numbers are significantly overstated given the known number of serious comorbidities?

If your an expert on reviewing the data by other medical professionals, what do think of the efficacy or risk reward with what is presented on pages 11&12 of below link, which show Pfizer's own original trial data?

https://www.canadiancovidcarealliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/The-COVID-19-Inoculations-More-Harm-Than-Good-REV-Dec-16-2021.pdf

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Yes, we have had an abysmal response, but it's not the fault of medical professionals. It's the fault of conspiracy theorists and politicians who have decided politics takes precedence over lives.

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Agree it doesn't work but "may cause harm" is fesrmongerinf.

Vaccines "may cause harm" as well.

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My wife took hydrochloroquine and suffered one of the side effects that lasted several months because of the long half life of the drug. Made her life miserable for several months.

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What is the dosage?

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It doesn't work for Covid and may cause harm. Don't take it for Covid.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2022926
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2016638
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2772922
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2779044

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You are wrong. There are many studies that prove efficacy IF ADMINISTERED VERY EARLY in infection. I've never heard anyone claim in has efficacy in hospitalized patients. It has years and years of history proving it isn't harmful. It is over the counter in many countries.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7534595/