Booster comparison for antibodies

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SamHou
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Lancet has a new study this week that compares the amount of antibodies produced by boosters.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02717-3/fulltext

What makes this study great is it shows different combinations of mixing & matching boosters. So, you can look at the tables to see which booster to get based on what your first two shots were.

For instance, if you got Pfizer for your first two doses:
(95% CI range in parentheses)
Pfizer full dose: 26,171 (21,245 - 32,239
Pfizer half dose: 27,498 (20,109-37,602)
Moderna booster: 30,654 (22,916 - 41,004)
KidDoc
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Thanks for sharing, those are some really high titers. It will be interesting to see how long they give protection with the late booster at least 6 months after the first two.

This is the most common pattern for traditional vaccines to give long term immunity. Kind of let your immune system forget then remind it again.
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dubi
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Good gosh that was hard to read for a Business major!
FTACo88-FDT24dad
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Need a precis for non-scientific types like me.
98Ag99Grad
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I'm really glad the 2 above me posted that because I was feeling stupid about half way through myself.
mccjames
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So if I had Pfizer and want a booster which should I take?
Easy come, Easy go
SamHou
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If you have a choice, I would say Moderna, but either Pfizer or Moderna perform well
SBISA Victim
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Dumb it down for me whose primary series was Pfizer and got a Pfizer booster.
KidDoc
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SBISA Victim said:

Dumb it down for me whose primary series was Pfizer and got a Pfizer booster.
Moderna produces the most robust response across the board. It is not known how that correlates to clinical outcomes or duration of immunity at this time. I would postulate that it means you get better and longer acting protection with the trade off of a slightly higher risk of short term adverse effects of immune activation.
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FlyRod
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I hope we get some data on duration of immunity from boosters soon. I got one in August and already thinking about a 4th shot (which I have no issue with, unless it's not needed for some time).

I'm guessing Israel might have the first round of data on this since they were (I think) the first to roll out boosters?
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FlyRod said:

I hope we get some data on duration of immunity from boosters soon. I got one in August and already thinking about a 4th shot (which I have no issue with, unless it's not needed for some time).

I'm guessing Israel might have the first round of data on this since they were (I think) the first to roll out boosters?
With how insanely high the titers are in that study I am pretty confident that the spaced third dose is going to give good protection for several years. In the Texas Cares study they can't measure > 2500 on spike protein and that linked study was showing titers in the 25,000-30,000 range!

Now boosters to variants, specifically Omicron, are likely coming in my professional opinion.
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FlyRod
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Glad to hear, and reassuring, thanks!
ORAggieFan
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KidDoc said:

FlyRod said:

I hope we get some data on duration of immunity from boosters soon. I got one in August and already thinking about a 4th shot (which I have no issue with, unless it's not needed for some time).

I'm guessing Israel might have the first round of data on this since they were (I think) the first to roll out boosters?
With how insanely high the titers are in that study I am pretty confident that the spaced third dose is going to give good protection for several years. In the Texas Cares study they can't measure > 2500 on spike protein and that linked study was showing titers in the 25,000-30,000 range!

Now boosters to variants, specifically Omicron, are likely coming in my professional opinion.
If Omicron continues to be as mild as early reports, is a booster for it really needed?
KidDoc
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Nope. But early reports out of South Africa are showing a significant increase in hospitalization of young kids.
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dubi
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KidDoc said:

Nope. But early reports out of South Africa are showing a significant increase in hospitalization of young kids.
I previously would have said NO to the shot for a 5yo. Should this change my mind?
KidDoc
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Not yet, it is early. We should have more information in a month give or take.
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planoaggie123
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KidDoc said:

Nope. But early reports out of South Africa are showing a significant increase in hospitalization of young kids.

Seems to be consistent with the mild symptoms and also that many of the hospitalizations seem to be "out of an abundance of caution":

https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/safrican-official-says-number-children-sick-with-covid-19-is-not-cause-panic-2021-12-04/

Maluleke said healthcare workers could be acting out of an abundance of caution. "They would rather have a child under care for a day or two than having a child at home and complicating, ... but we really need to wait for the evidence," she said.

She said many COVID-19 patients in Gauteng were reporting "non-specific" flu-like symptoms like a scratchy throat. But she urged parents and pregnant women, another cohort that has seen more hospital admissions recently, not to take flu-like symptoms lightly and to get tested in case intervention is needed further down the line.

The majority of patients in the COVID wards at the hospital complex were not oxygen-dependent and were "incidental COVID admissions," having another reason for admission, the article said.
KidDoc
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Great news thanks!
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planoaggie123
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KidDoc said:

Great news thanks!


I have younger-ish kids so definitely keeping my eye out on this but so far pretty optimistic.

One to two more weeks and we should have a lot more clarify.
Aston94
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Man, really hoping Omicron spells the end of Covid as a virus we need to be concerned about.
ORAggieFan
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KidDoc said:

FlyRod said:

I hope we get some data on duration of immunity from boosters soon. I got one in August and already thinking about a 4th shot (which I have no issue with, unless it's not needed for some time).

I'm guessing Israel might have the first round of data on this since they were (I think) the first to roll out boosters?
With how insanely high the titers are in that study I am pretty confident that the spaced third dose is going to give good protection for several years. In the Texas Cares study they can't measure > 2500 on spike protein and that linked study was showing titers in the 25,000-30,000 range!

Now boosters to variants, specifically Omicron, are likely coming in my professional opinion.

Thoughts?
KidDoc
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I'll look into it tomorrow but it is discouraging for sure. It also depends which vax it is.
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SamHou
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Here's a description of the study:
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/mixing-pfizer-astraz-covid-19-shots-with-moderna-gives-better-immune-response-uk-2021-12-06/

The Lancet article is a difficult read, so I suggest going straight to the tables (different table for each of the different first dose(s) ) to see which booster is best for you.
FlyRod
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Welp just read the current Moderna booster is a 1/2 dose of the original. So the third shot I got back in August I thought was a booster was a full dose I guess, like the first two? Might get my antibodies checked now.
NicosMachine
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FlyRod said:

I hope we get some data on duration of immunity from boosters soon. I got one in August and already thinking about a 4th shot (which I have no issue with, unless it's not needed for some time).

I'm guessing Israel might have the first round of data on this since they were (I think) the first to roll out boosters?
You might have to wait a long time because no matter what the data says, it's not true unless its "peer reviewed".
NicosMachine
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FlyRod said:

I hope we get some data on duration of immunity from boosters soon. I got one in August and already thinking about a 4th shot (which I have no issue with, unless it's not needed for some time).

I'm guessing Israel might have the first round of data on this since they were (I think) the first to roll out boosters?
Israeli data is consistent with Denmark data but its not peer reviewed so make sure to get your quarterly booster.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-study-finds-2-pfizer-shots-fail-to-neutralize-omicron-but-booster-effective/
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