snowdog90 said:
Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:
That video is the embodiment of what is wrong with how layman interpret VAERS reporting and why it should be taken with a gigantic grain of salt. There is no physiologic mechanism that could possibly explain her developing non-allergic reaction symptoms in the minutes following vaccine injection. Autoimmune conditions develop days to a few weeks after vaccine administration.
Her symptoms and work up are also inconsistent with any known auto-immune condition like MS, transverse myelitis, and Guillan Barre. Many of her symptoms are seen with individuals with psychosomatic issues (blurred vision, tingling, generalized weakness). She undoubtedly had lumbar punctures and multiple MRIs, all of which came back normal. She was seen 3 times in an ER and symptoms were non-concerning enough that she was discharged 3 times.
The NIH supposedly diagnosing her "with a bunch of vaccine caused injuries" is incredibly vague and overall meaningless. Likely what happened is she went over there, they ran a bunch of tests, all of them came back negative and rather than tell her everything came back negative, they threw her a bone by stating some of these symptoms might have been caused by the vaccine to validate her already formed opinion.
Neuro conditions (like West Nile virus or Guillan Barre) causing someone to be wheelchair/bed bound for months typically leads to months of formal rehab to regain strength, which based on other sources doesn't sound like it that ever happened. Needless to say, that story all sounds incredibly suspect, and again, despite thousands supposedly developing issues like this, myself and every other physician I know have yet to see this in any of their patients. In fact, the only place we are hearing of these issues is in the media who all seem to be highlighting incredibly suspect cases in individuals with no objective signs of organic disease. So even if this individuals symptoms were legitimately caused by the vaccine, they are exceptionally rare on many orders of magnitude.
So ypu just don't believe the NIH or the woman. Very sciencey of you. You can do this with every vaccine injury, and I'm sure you do, just don't believe... psychosomatic, yeah... Totally healthy people decide to make up debilitating vaccine injuries so they can be shut-ins...
Such arrogance. You're so quick to disbelieve a woman who has nothing to gain, yet also so quick to believe in a vaccine that's a year old and making billions for its manufacturers. Manufacturers who cannot be sued if their vaccine kills or hurts you.
No, thanks.
I don't believe anecdotes from biased media outlets who did absolutely no vetting of the claims made, especially when the claims being made do not make sense as is being reported and feed into a certain side of the political spectrum's pre-conceived notions. The NIH never put out a statement on this, we are just taking the husband at his word, and when it comes to layman commenting on medicine, they almost always get it wrong.
There is no test they could have possibly performed 8 months later that would have proved the patient was injured by a vaccine. Patients develop psychosomatic issues all the time without secondary gain, doesn't mean she didn't legitimately experience those symptoms. She either has had an autoimmune reaction to a vaccine so rare that it has never been reported or described by the medical literature for this or any other vaccine in history, or her symptoms had nothing to do with the vaccine. Given the probabilities on this one, it is pretty safe to assume the latter. Unfortunately layman tend to get blinded by the
Post hoc, ergo propter hoc logical fallacy, and have trouble understanding that just because they took an aspirin for the first time ever and developed a heart attack, doesn't mean the aspirin gave them a heart attack.
The vaccine manufacturer has nothing to do with the aftermarket reports of vaccine injuries. If individuals in large numbers were having this same response elsewhere, we would have already heard about it, much like we did with the small percentage of myocarditis cases. Instead what we are getting is a smorgasbord of reports from the media on various issues that are either coincidences, like having a heart attack or stroke after vaccine administration (both of which have not been associated with vaccine administration in large aftermarket population studies), or symptoms that are typically seen in individuals that suffer from psychosomatic conditions (fatigue, generalized weakness, brain fog, pseudoseizures, etc.).
Again, I work with a group of 70 emergency physicians. We have seen 100s of thousands of patients collectively in the last year, over half of whom have been vaccinated, and not a single one of us has seen a legitimate case of vaccine injury (myocarditis, transverse myelitis, Guillain-Barre, etc.). I wouldn't doubt if we missed a few cases of very mild myocarditis in young and healthy individuals, but the large majority of young adults with myocarditis do perfectly fine without any significant medical intervention. We have 100s of physicians at our hospitals whom the large majority have now received 3 doses of an MRNA vaccine, and not a single one has required hospitalization for vaccine associated issues. Worldwide, BILLIONS of doses have been administered without any reports from reliable sources of significant issues with the vaccines outside of a questionable mild increase in clots with the J&J vaccine and myocarditis cases which is less frequent than seen with COVID. Where are all these individuals supposedly injured by the vaccine? Because they are certainly aren't being seen in hospitals in any significant number.
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