Unvaccinated Texans 40x more likely to die of Covid

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snowdog90 said:

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The inability of certain people to understand VAERS despite being repeatedly told how it works is pathetic. Doctors are required to report any and everything to VAERS regardless of the actual cause so that we can have unbiased raw data that can be compared to background rates. Not only has there been no evidence that thr vaccine is cauding issues beyond background rates, vaccinated people are having better health outcomes than unvaccinated people for non covid related health issues as well.




No evidence??? Such bull*****! I post AGAIN!!! The panel on vaccine injury, at least 20 injured that speak. THese injured know of thousands more. Doctors on this panel talking about vaccine injury they've seen. One is from the military, a whistleblower.

Nobody on this board wants to watch this, i guess. It's devestating, and these people injured by the vaccine have no recourse, and are basically ignored by those who should want to help. Their lives are in shambles because of the vaccine, and nobody from the government, Pfizer, Moderna, J&J will help them.

Starts at minute 31
https://rumble.com/vokrf7-sen.-johnson-expert-panel-on-federal-vaccine-mandates.html

No evidence... what a ****ing joke.
Listen to this guy. Our hospitals are having to open dedicated wings to deal with all the vaccine injured. We are seeing hundreds a week. There are some shifts where 70% of the patients we see are vaccine injured...

Lol, just kidding

All these thousands of patients injured by this deadly vaccine, and yet me and my 70 colleagues have not seen a single case of vaccine associated illness in the ER, outside of the typical sore arm and fever/bodyaches/headache. I have had two people claim the vaccine gave them seizures, as they proceeded to flop around like a fish on their bed faking a seizure, and then stop mid-"seizure" when you tell them to please stop doing that.
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Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:

snowdog90 said:

Gordo14 said:

petebaker said:




The inability of certain people to understand VAERS despite being repeatedly told how it works is pathetic. Doctors are required to report any and everything to VAERS regardless of the actual cause so that we can have unbiased raw data that can be compared to background rates. Not only has there been no evidence that thr vaccine is cauding issues beyond background rates, vaccinated people are having better health outcomes than unvaccinated people for non covid related health issues as well.




No evidence??? Such bull*****! I post AGAIN!!! The panel on vaccine injury, at least 20 injured that speak. THese injured know of thousands more. Doctors on this panel talking about vaccine injury they've seen. One is from the military, a whistleblower.

Nobody on this board wants to watch this, i guess. It's devestating, and these people injured by the vaccine have no recourse, and are basically ignored by those who should want to help. Their lives are in shambles because of the vaccine, and nobody from the government, Pfizer, Moderna, J&J will help them.

Starts at minute 31
https://rumble.com/vokrf7-sen.-johnson-expert-panel-on-federal-vaccine-mandates.html

No evidence... what a ****ing joke.
Listen to this guy. Our hospitals are having to open dedicated wings in our hospital to deal with all the vaccine injured. We are seeing hundreds a week. There are some shifts where 70% of the patients we see are vaccine injured...

Lol, just kidding

All these thousands of patients injured by this deadly vaccine, and yet me and my 70 colleagues have not seen a single case of vaccine associated illness in the ER, outside of the typical sore arm and fever/bodyaches/headache. I have had two people claim the vaccine gave them seizures, as they proceeded to flop around like a fish on their bed faking a seizure, and then stop mid-"seizure" when you tell them to please stop doing that.

No there are millions of dead and injured.... but for some reason the only witness brave enough to say anything is a semi-pro mountain bike guy that just so happens to have a patreon and a merch store, I bet its a deep state cover up.
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Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:

snowdog90 said:

Gordo14 said:

petebaker said:




The inability of certain people to understand VAERS despite being repeatedly told how it works is pathetic. Doctors are required to report any and everything to VAERS regardless of the actual cause so that we can have unbiased raw data that can be compared to background rates. Not only has there been no evidence that thr vaccine is cauding issues beyond background rates, vaccinated people are having better health outcomes than unvaccinated people for non covid related health issues as well.




No evidence??? Such bull*****! I post AGAIN!!! The panel on vaccine injury, at least 20 injured that speak. THese injured know of thousands more. Doctors on this panel talking about vaccine injury they've seen. One is from the military, a whistleblower.

Nobody on this board wants to watch this, i guess. It's devestating, and these people injured by the vaccine have no recourse, and are basically ignored by those who should want to help. Their lives are in shambles because of the vaccine, and nobody from the government, Pfizer, Moderna, J&J will help them.

Starts at minute 31
https://rumble.com/vokrf7-sen.-johnson-expert-panel-on-federal-vaccine-mandates.html

No evidence... what a ****ing joke.
Listen to this guy. Our hospitals are having to open dedicated wings to deal with all the vaccine injured. We are seeing hundreds a week. There are some shifts where 70% of the patients we see are vaccine injured...

Lol, just kidding

All these thousands of patients injured by this deadly vaccine, and yet me and my 70 colleagues have not seen a single case of vaccine associated illness in the ER, outside of the typical sore arm and fever/bodyaches/headache. I have had two people claim the vaccine gave them seizures, as they proceeded to flop around like a fish on their bed faking a seizure, and then stop mid-"seizure" when you tell them to please stop doing that.

Maybe we should start classifying any injury/illness a vaccinated person has as a "vaccine injury/death"?
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Wouldn't change the reality COVID legitimately lead to those issues in hospitals during surges, whereas I don't know a single physician that has seen a patient injured by the vaccine. Do you believe we are lying about all of this?

But I'm sure people here will claim we are actually lying, calling the flu COVID, calling car accident deaths COVID deaths, purposely not reporting vaccine injuries, etc. because somehow I profit from making those things up.
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Don't believe you're lying, but I do believe many in the medical community have a jaded view of it due to only seeing the worst of it and are unable to recognize or acknowledge that for every person they see in the hospital, thousands more have minor or no symptoms.

My mom was a "COVID hospitalization" even though she was asymptomatic and only ended up in the hospital after having a stroke from fighting with the hospital to not discharge my diabetic step-dad who was admitted for a 2nd time with COVID pneumonia. Had her in their designated COVID area as well. This was in Oct 2020 before vaccines.

I also believe many COVID deaths weren't directly caused by COVID. They just happened to have it when they passed.

To be completely transparent as well. I'm not anti-vax. I believe they work and help many who would otherwise have a tough time with COVID. But I do not believe a one size fits all approach (mandatory vaccination) is appropriate or needed either.
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No surprise given American medicine suppresses highly successful prevention protocols.
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Picadillo said:

No surprise given American medicine suppresses highly successful prevention protocols.
Hmm.. A few years ago during the Obamacare debates, everyone said we were the best healthcare system in the world, with the best doctors, the best scientists, the best medicine, etc. Now suddenly every third world country with high ivermectin use is suddenly better, with better doctors.

Anyways... I think this video is good for the people that don't like reading. Didn't see it posted above).




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Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:

Wouldn't change the reality COVID legitimately lead to those issues in hospitals during surges, whereas I don't know a single physician that has seen a patient injured by the vaccine. Do you believe we are lying about all of this?

But I'm sure people here will claim we are actually lying, calling the flu COVID, calling car accident deaths COVID deaths, purposely not reporting vaccine injuries, etc. because somehow I profit from making those things up.
I'm sorry, but you and your colleagues views from decades of education and professional experience don't generate clicks, subscribers, and views from the unfortunate folks that are being farmed for ad revenue by clickbait scammers
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This is a vaccine injured woman, confirmed by NIH. She was part of the trials. She is now screwed due to the vaccine and her outcome was not included in the trials.

This is all factual. Why would you trust a vaccine that had this outcome and the makers basically ignored it and have hidden it?
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That video is the embodiment of what is wrong with how layman interpret VAERS reporting and why it should be taken with a gigantic grain of salt. There is no physiologic mechanism that could possibly explain her developing non-allergic reaction symptoms in the minutes following vaccine injection. Autoimmune conditions develop days to a few weeks after vaccine administration.

Her symptoms and work up are also inconsistent with any known auto-immune condition like MS, transverse myelitis, and Guillan Barre. Many of her symptoms are seen with individuals with psychosomatic issues (blurred vision, tingling, generalized weakness). She undoubtedly had lumbar punctures and multiple MRIs, all of which came back normal. She was seen 3 times in an ER and symptoms were non-concerning enough that she was discharged 3 times.

The NIH supposedly diagnosing her "with a bunch of vaccine caused injuries" is incredibly vague and overall meaningless. Likely what happened is she went over there, they ran a bunch of tests, all of them came back negative and rather than tell her everything came back negative, they threw her a bone by stating some of these symptoms might have been caused by the vaccine to validate her already formed opinion.

Neuro conditions (like West Nile virus or Guillan Barre) causing someone to be wheelchair/bed bound for months typically leads to months of formal rehab to regain strength, which based on other sources doesn't sound like it that ever happened. Needless to say, that story all sounds incredibly suspect, and again, despite thousands supposedly developing issues like this, myself and every other physician I know have yet to see this in any of their patients. In fact, the only place we are hearing of these issues is in the media who all seem to be highlighting incredibly suspect cases in individuals with no objective signs of organic disease. So even if this individuals symptoms were legitimately caused by the vaccine, they are exceptionally rare on many orders of magnitude.
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Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:

That video is the embodiment of what is wrong with how layman interpret VAERS reporting and why it should be taken with a gigantic grain of salt. There is no physiologic mechanism that could possibly explain her developing non-allergic reaction symptoms in the minutes following vaccine injection. Autoimmune conditions develop days to a few weeks after vaccine administration.

Her symptoms and work up are also inconsistent with any known auto-immune condition like MS, transverse myelitis, and Guillan Barre. Many of her symptoms are seen with individuals with psychosomatic issues (blurred vision, tingling, generalized weakness). She undoubtedly had lumbar punctures and multiple MRIs, all of which came back normal. She was seen 3 times in an ER and symptoms were non-concerning enough that she was discharged 3 times.

The NIH supposedly diagnosing her "with a bunch of vaccine caused injuries" is incredibly vague and overall meaningless. Likely what happened is she went over there, they ran a bunch of tests, all of them came back negative and rather than tell her everything came back negative, they threw her a bone by stating some of these symptoms might have been caused by the vaccine to validate her already formed opinion.

Neuro conditions (like West Nile virus or Guillan Barre) causing someone to be wheelchair/bed bound for months typically leads to months of formal rehab to regain strength, which based on other sources doesn't sound like it that ever happened. Needless to say, that story all sounds incredibly suspect, and again, despite thousands supposedly developing issues like this, myself and every other physician I know have yet to see this in any of their patients. In fact, the only place we are hearing of these issues is in the media who all seem to be highlighting incredibly suspect cases in individuals with no objective signs of organic disease. So even if this individuals symptoms were legitimately caused by the vaccine, they are exceptionally rare on many orders of magnitude.


So ypu just don't believe the NIH or the woman. Very sciencey of you. You can do this with every vaccine injury, and I'm sure you do, just don't believe... psychosomatic, yeah... Totally healthy people decide to make up debilitating vaccine injuries so they can be shut-ins...

Such arrogance. You're so quick to disbelieve a woman who has nothing to gain, yet also so quick to believe in a vaccine that's a year old and making billions for its manufacturers. Manufacturers who cannot be sued if their vaccine kills or hurts you.

No, thanks.

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This is good news both sides should agree on!
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snowdog90 said:

petebaker said:





This is a vaccine injured woman, confirmed by NIH. She was part of the trials. She is now screwed due to the vaccine and her outcome was not included in the trials.

This is all factual. Why would you trust a vaccine that had this outcome and the makers basically ignored it and have hidden it?


That chemist guy can be seen on this website pimping for the vaccine for the Salt Lake County Health Department.

https://thisisourshot.com/
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snowdog90 said:

Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:

That video is the embodiment of what is wrong with how layman interpret VAERS reporting and why it should be taken with a gigantic grain of salt. There is no physiologic mechanism that could possibly explain her developing non-allergic reaction symptoms in the minutes following vaccine injection. Autoimmune conditions develop days to a few weeks after vaccine administration.

Her symptoms and work up are also inconsistent with any known auto-immune condition like MS, transverse myelitis, and Guillan Barre. Many of her symptoms are seen with individuals with psychosomatic issues (blurred vision, tingling, generalized weakness). She undoubtedly had lumbar punctures and multiple MRIs, all of which came back normal. She was seen 3 times in an ER and symptoms were non-concerning enough that she was discharged 3 times.

The NIH supposedly diagnosing her "with a bunch of vaccine caused injuries" is incredibly vague and overall meaningless. Likely what happened is she went over there, they ran a bunch of tests, all of them came back negative and rather than tell her everything came back negative, they threw her a bone by stating some of these symptoms might have been caused by the vaccine to validate her already formed opinion.

Neuro conditions (like West Nile virus or Guillan Barre) causing someone to be wheelchair/bed bound for months typically leads to months of formal rehab to regain strength, which based on other sources doesn't sound like it that ever happened. Needless to say, that story all sounds incredibly suspect, and again, despite thousands supposedly developing issues like this, myself and every other physician I know have yet to see this in any of their patients. In fact, the only place we are hearing of these issues is in the media who all seem to be highlighting incredibly suspect cases in individuals with no objective signs of organic disease. So even if this individuals symptoms were legitimately caused by the vaccine, they are exceptionally rare on many orders of magnitude.


So ypu just don't believe the NIH or the woman. Very sciencey of you. You can do this with every vaccine injury, and I'm sure you do, just don't believe... psychosomatic, yeah... Totally healthy people decide to make up debilitating vaccine injuries so they can be shut-ins...

Such arrogance. You're so quick to disbelieve a woman who has nothing to gain, yet also so quick to believe in a vaccine that's a year old and making billions for its manufacturers. Manufacturers who cannot be sued if their vaccine kills or hurts you.

No, thanks.
I don't believe anecdotes from biased media outlets who did absolutely no vetting of the claims made, especially when the claims being made do not make sense as is being reported and feed into a certain side of the political spectrum's pre-conceived notions. The NIH never put out a statement on this, we are just taking the husband at his word, and when it comes to layman commenting on medicine, they almost always get it wrong.

There is no test they could have possibly performed 8 months later that would have proved the patient was injured by a vaccine. Patients develop psychosomatic issues all the time without secondary gain, doesn't mean she didn't legitimately experience those symptoms. She either has had an autoimmune reaction to a vaccine so rare that it has never been reported or described by the medical literature for this or any other vaccine in history, or her symptoms had nothing to do with the vaccine. Given the probabilities on this one, it is pretty safe to assume the latter. Unfortunately layman tend to get blinded by the Post hoc, ergo propter hoc logical fallacy, and have trouble understanding that just because they took an aspirin for the first time ever and developed a heart attack, doesn't mean the aspirin gave them a heart attack.

The vaccine manufacturer has nothing to do with the aftermarket reports of vaccine injuries. If individuals in large numbers were having this same response elsewhere, we would have already heard about it, much like we did with the small percentage of myocarditis cases. Instead what we are getting is a smorgasbord of reports from the media on various issues that are either coincidences, like having a heart attack or stroke after vaccine administration (both of which have not been associated with vaccine administration in large aftermarket population studies), or symptoms that are typically seen in individuals that suffer from psychosomatic conditions (fatigue, generalized weakness, brain fog, pseudoseizures, etc.).

Again, I work with a group of 70 emergency physicians. We have seen 100s of thousands of patients collectively in the last year, over half of whom have been vaccinated, and not a single one of us has seen a legitimate case of vaccine injury (myocarditis, transverse myelitis, Guillain-Barre, etc.). I wouldn't doubt if we missed a few cases of very mild myocarditis in young and healthy individuals, but the large majority of young adults with myocarditis do perfectly fine without any significant medical intervention. We have 100s of physicians at our hospitals whom the large majority have now received 3 doses of an MRNA vaccine, and not a single one has required hospitalization for vaccine associated issues. Worldwide, BILLIONS of doses have been administered without any reports from reliable sources of significant issues with the vaccines outside of a questionable mild increase in clots with the J&J vaccine and myocarditis cases which is less frequent than seen with COVID. Where are all these individuals supposedly injured by the vaccine? Because they are certainly aren't being seen in hospitals in any significant number.
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Where are all these individuals supposedly injured by the vaccine?
Link

There are plenty of individuals in this hearing. But apparently all of their stories are made up. And their testimonies of symptoms and illness falling on deaf ears from doctors or dismissed as unexplainable or must be caused by something else is disturbing. But let's keep acting like these people don't exist.
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Another Doug said:

Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:

snowdog90 said:

Gordo14 said:

petebaker said:




The inability of certain people to understand VAERS despite being repeatedly told how it works is pathetic. Doctors are required to report any and everything to VAERS regardless of the actual cause so that we can have unbiased raw data that can be compared to background rates. Not only has there been no evidence that thr vaccine is cauding issues beyond background rates, vaccinated people are having better health outcomes than unvaccinated people for non covid related health issues as well.




No evidence??? Such bull*****! I post AGAIN!!! The panel on vaccine injury, at least 20 injured that speak. THese injured know of thousands more. Doctors on this panel talking about vaccine injury they've seen. One is from the military, a whistleblower.

Nobody on this board wants to watch this, i guess. It's devestating, and these people injured by the vaccine have no recourse, and are basically ignored by those who should want to help. Their lives are in shambles because of the vaccine, and nobody from the government, Pfizer, Moderna, J&J will help them.

Starts at minute 31
https://rumble.com/vokrf7-sen.-johnson-expert-panel-on-federal-vaccine-mandates.html

No evidence... what a ****ing joke.
Listen to this guy. Our hospitals are having to open dedicated wings in our hospital to deal with all the vaccine injured. We are seeing hundreds a week. There are some shifts where 70% of the patients we see are vaccine injured...

Lol, just kidding

All these thousands of patients injured by this deadly vaccine, and yet me and my 70 colleagues have not seen a single case of vaccine associated illness in the ER, outside of the typical sore arm and fever/bodyaches/headache. I have had two people claim the vaccine gave them seizures, as they proceeded to flop around like a fish on their bed faking a seizure, and then stop mid-"seizure" when you tell them to please stop doing that.

No there are millions of dead and injured.... but for some reason the only witness brave enough to say anything is a semi-pro mountain bike guy that just so happens to have a patreon and a merch store, I bet its a deep state cover up.

They are now zombies, so of course the medical professionals don't see them since zombies don't seek out medical care.

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Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:

That video is the embodiment of what is wrong with how layman interpret VAERS reporting and why it should be taken with a gigantic grain of salt. There is no physiologic mechanism that could possibly explain her developing non-allergic reaction symptoms in the minutes following vaccine injection. Autoimmune conditions develop days to a few weeks after vaccine administration.

Her symptoms and work up are also inconsistent with any known auto-immune condition like MS, transverse myelitis, and Guillan Barre. Many of her symptoms are seen with individuals with psychosomatic issues (blurred vision, tingling, generalized weakness). She undoubtedly had lumbar punctures and multiple MRIs, all of which came back normal. She was seen 3 times in an ER and symptoms were non-concerning enough that she was discharged 3 times.

The NIH supposedly diagnosing her "with a bunch of vaccine caused injuries" is incredibly vague and overall meaningless. Likely what happened is she went over there, they ran a bunch of tests, all of them came back negative and rather than tell her everything came back negative, they threw her a bone by stating some of these symptoms might have been caused by the vaccine to validate her already formed opinion.

Neuro conditions (like West Nile virus or Guillan Barre) causing someone to be wheelchair/bed bound for months typically leads to months of formal rehab to regain strength, which based on other sources doesn't sound like it that ever happened. Needless to say, that story all sounds incredibly suspect, and again, despite thousands supposedly developing issues like this, myself and every other physician I know have yet to see this in any of their patients. In fact, the only place we are hearing of these issues is in the media who all seem to be highlighting incredibly suspect cases in individuals with no objective signs of organic disease. So even if this individuals symptoms were legitimately caused by the vaccine, they are exceptionally rare on many orders of magnitude.
Wow. This is why I am putting less and less faith in doctors. You don't have all the answers. You think b/c you are a physician you can just dismiss people's symptoms and claim they are either making these stories up or it's all in their head.

No one is claiming that vaccine injury or death isn't rare. People are saying there are vaccine injuries and death. Some of you want to state with certainty that the vaccines are safe. There are Aggies on this site who have claimed vaccine injury and their lives changed. There are many people in the Vaccine Injury Hearing posted in this thread. One of my brother's coworkers had a heart attack and died the day after he was vaccinated. He was in his early fifties.

But b/c you haven't recognized an injury in your practice must mean they don't exist right? Nevermind the fact that many of these people are sent home without answers before anyone even gives them a real clinical checkup.

Perhaps listen to the fact that the vaccine trials and their apps have no options to share negative symptoms other than their selective options. Some weren't even allowed to continue their trials after first doses b/c they had adverse effects beyond the norm and were dismissed and not allowed to be part of the studies.
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Wow. This is why I am putting less and less faith in doctors. You don't have all the answers. You think b/c you are a physician you can just dismiss people's symptoms and claim they are either making these stories up or it's all in their head.


If it doesn't fit the official narrative then it doesn't belong here. Good luck getting the brain trust on this board to admit there has even been one death related to the vaccine. It was most likely a staunch antivaxxer that went to get the vaccine and then killed themselves in order to advance their cause. It's the only explanation.

You are spot on with not trusting doctors anymore. I used to roll my eyes when people griped about "big pharma". Now it seems like the majority of docs are terrified to bite the hand that feeds. Really eye opening.
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How do we decide which ones are right and which ones are wrong? There are doctors that disagree with other doctors, they can't all be right. Is this like 97% of scientists accept climate change?

Am I a conspiracy theorist for saying the vaccine is a good thing and has saved a lot of lives but due to my age and health condition I will not be getting it because Covid poses so discernible risk to me?
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Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:

coolerguy12 said:

If the vaccine works then why isn't the chance of death infinitely greater?
Is a college educated individual really asking this question? Are you really so blinded by politics that you cannot see the absurdity to the question you pose?

"If oral contraceptives worked, why do people that use them still get pregnant?"

"If sterile operative technique worked, why do people still get post-op infections?"
you can't reason with ******s
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aggierogue said:

Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag said:

That video is the embodiment of what is wrong with how layman interpret VAERS reporting and why it should be taken with a gigantic grain of salt. There is no physiologic mechanism that could possibly explain her developing non-allergic reaction symptoms in the minutes following vaccine injection. Autoimmune conditions develop days to a few weeks after vaccine administration.

Her symptoms and work up are also inconsistent with any known auto-immune condition like MS, transverse myelitis, and Guillan Barre. Many of her symptoms are seen with individuals with psychosomatic issues (blurred vision, tingling, generalized weakness). She undoubtedly had lumbar punctures and multiple MRIs, all of which came back normal. She was seen 3 times in an ER and symptoms were non-concerning enough that she was discharged 3 times.

The NIH supposedly diagnosing her "with a bunch of vaccine caused injuries" is incredibly vague and overall meaningless. Likely what happened is she went over there, they ran a bunch of tests, all of them came back negative and rather than tell her everything came back negative, they threw her a bone by stating some of these symptoms might have been caused by the vaccine to validate her already formed opinion.

Neuro conditions (like West Nile virus or Guillan Barre) causing someone to be wheelchair/bed bound for months typically leads to months of formal rehab to regain strength, which based on other sources doesn't sound like it that ever happened. Needless to say, that story all sounds incredibly suspect, and again, despite thousands supposedly developing issues like this, myself and every other physician I know have yet to see this in any of their patients. In fact, the only place we are hearing of these issues is in the media who all seem to be highlighting incredibly suspect cases in individuals with no objective signs of organic disease. So even if this individuals symptoms were legitimately caused by the vaccine, they are exceptionally rare on many orders of magnitude.
Wow. This is why I am putting less and less faith in doctors. You don't have all the answers. You think b/c you are a physician you can just dismiss people's symptoms and claim they are either making these stories up or it's all in their head.

No one is claiming that vaccine injury or death isn't rare. People are saying there are vaccine injuries and death. Some of you want to state with certainty that the vaccines are safe. There are Aggies on this site who have claimed vaccine injury and their lives changed. There are many people in the Vaccine Injury Hearing posted in this thread. One of my brother's coworkers had a heart attack and died the day after he was vaccinated. He was in his early fifties.

But b/c you haven't recognized an injury in your practice must mean they don't exist right? Nevermind the fact that many of these people are sent home without answers before anyone even gives them a real clinical checkup.

Perhaps listen to the fact that the vaccine trials and their apps have no options to share negative symptoms other than their selective options. Some weren't even allowed to continue their trials after first doses b/c they had adverse effects beyond the norm and were dismissed and not allowed to be part of the studies.
I respect your opinion, granted I disagree. But if you have little to no faith in doctors, the next time you break a bone, have a stroke, heart attack, can't breath because of COVID-19, involved in a motor accident, or catch a case of the clap, don't come to the ER, because myself and the other EM docs on this board obviously don't know wtf we are talking about. Working in DFW for 4 years, I've individually treated a minimum of 500 covid patients at this point in my life, (the number is probably closer to 750-800 but I don't feel like doing the math right now). I've probably admitted 200 patients to the hospital? Of those 200 aprox 8 were vaccinated, and 7 of those 8 were on immunosuppressive treatment for renal/hepatic transplant. I see aprox 35 patients in a ER shift and I HAVE NEVER ADMITTED ONE PATIENT TO THE HOSPITAL FOR A VACCINE REACTION. Yes there are side effects to the vaccine, and they are grossly minor reactions if any. However, the major potential side effect to not getting it, is me sedating/paralyzing you so I can shove a piece of plastic down your trachea in the hopes that one day you can breath again on your own. But yea once again, if you don't trust us, I guess don't come to the emergency department when you need us, granted no matter what you think of us, you will always receive care in our medical expertise....emergently saving peoples lives.
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Wow. This is why I am putting less and less faith in doctors. You don't have all the answers. You think b/c you are a physician you can just dismiss people's symptoms and claim they are either making these stories up or it's all in their head.
If it doesn't fit the official narrative then it doesn't belong here. Good luck getting the brain trust on this board to admit there has even been one death related to the vaccine. It was most likely a staunch antivaxxer that went to get the vaccine and then killed themselves in order to advance their cause. It's the only explanation.

You are spot on with not trusting doctors anymore. I used to roll my eyes when people griped about "big pharma". Now it seems like the majority of docs are terrified to bite the hand that feeds. Really eye opening.
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Doug Ross said:

I respect your opinion, granted I disagree. But if you have little to no faith in doctors, the next time you break a bone, have a stroke, heart attack, can't breath because of COVID-19, involved in a motor accident, or catch a case of the clap, don't come to the ER, because myself and the other EM docs on this board obviously don't know wtf we are talking about. Working in DFW for 4 years, I've individually treated a minimum of 500 covid patients at this point in my life, (the number is probably closer to 750-800 but I don't feel like doing the math right now). I've probably admitted 200 patients to the hospital? Of those 200 aprox 8 were vaccinated, and 7 of those 8 were on immunosuppressive treatment for renal/hepatic transplant. I see aprox 35 patients in a ER shift and I HAVE NEVER ADMITTED ONE PATIENT TO THE HOSPITAL FOR A VACCINE REACTION. Yes there are side effects to the vaccine, and they are grossly minor reactions if any. However, the major potential side effect to not getting it, is me sedating/paralyzing you so I can shove a piece of plastic down your trachea in the hopes that one day you can breath again on your own. But yea once again, if you don't trust us, I guess don't come to the emergency department when you need us, granted no matter what you think of us, you will always receive care in our medical expertise....emergently saving peoples lives.
This cannot be starred enough. If your concern of a reaction to the vaccine that you garnered from some YouTube videos outweighs the hundreds of thousands who are buried because they died from COVID - well, you've allowed politics to outweigh your common sense.

Good luck and stay home and die like a man if you catch it - since you think doctors are morons and all.
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And when we call you an anti-vaxxer, don't get all puffy about it. The research you've done into the COVID vaccine fits the same model as the kooky anti-vaxxers you used to make fun of.

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I respect your opinion, granted I disagree. But if you have little to no faith in doctors, the next time you break a bone, have a stroke, heart attack, can't breath because of COVID-19, involved in a motor accident, or catch a case of the clap, don't come to the ER, because myself and the other EM docs on this board obviously don't know wtf we are talking about. Working in DFW for 4 years, I've individually treated a minimum of 500 covid patients at this point in my life, (the number is probably closer to 750-800 but I don't feel like doing the math right now). I've probably admitted 200 patients to the hospital? Of those 200 aprox 8 were vaccinated, and 7 of those 8 were on immunosuppressive treatment for renal/hepatic transplant. I see aprox 35 patients in a ER shift and I HAVE NEVER ADMITTED ONE PATIENT TO THE HOSPITAL FOR A VACCINE REACTION. Yes there are side effects to the vaccine, and they are grossly minor reactions if any. However, the major potential side effect to not getting it, is me sedating/paralyzing you so I can shove a piece of plastic down your trachea in the hopes that one day you can breath again on your own. But yea once again, if you don't trust us, I guess don't come to the emergency department when you need us, granted no matter what you think of us, you will always receive care in our medical expertise....emergently saving peoples lives.
This is all I'm going to say on this...

When my son was a toddler, we took him into a specialist for an outpatient procedure. One of the things the doc was doing felt wrong to me, and when I questioned it, I was told by the doc that what he was doing was fine. Turns out, it wasn't. What should have been an in office procedure with a follow up turned into a year+ of hell, 4 unnecessary surgeries, and months of rehab. My son will never be 100% again. A jury agreed the doc screwed up, and the TMB confirmed it. Doctors from all around came to the doc's defense, but luckily one doc in the same practice had a conscious and spoke out.

My son will have to live the rest of his life being physically behind his peers because someone we're all supposed to trust cut corners. I have to live the rest of my life with the guilt of allowing "well, they're a doctor and know best" keep me from speaking up more when my gut told me it wasn't right. Never again.

You and your colleagues may be doctors, but you're still human. You will still make mistakes, you will still get lazy and sometimes take an easy route, and you will rally around a bad egg to protect the nobleness of the profession. Hell, you're in Dallas. Go read up on Dr. Duntsch and how he was able to bounce around D/FW for a couple of years to continue his excellent care. Some of us got to witness this before COVID, but COVID has exposed a lot more people to the BS within your profession and how someone who doesn't toe the line is cast aside. A recent example in Houston was Houston Methodist suspending the privileges of Dr. Mary Bowden for having the gall to support individual choice.

Also, Doc...trust is earned. Not automatically given.
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wbt5845 said:

And when we call you an anti-vaxxer, don't get all puffy about it. The research you've done into the COVID vaccine fits the same model as the kooky anti-vaxxers you used to make fun of.



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This is all I'm going to say on this...

When my son was a toddler, we took him into a specialist for an outpatient procedure. One of the things the doc was doing felt wrong to me, and when I questioned it, I was told by the doc that what he was doing was fine. Turns out, it wasn't. What should have been an in office procedure with a follow up turned into a year+ of hell, 4 unnecessary surgeries, and months of rehab. My son will never be 100% again. A jury agreed the doc screwed up, and the TMB confirmed it. Doctors from all around came to the doc's defense, but luckily one doc in the same practice had a conscious and spoke out.

My son will have to live the rest of his life being physically behind his peers because someone we're all supposed to trust cut corners. I have to live the rest of my life with the guilt of allowing "well, they're a doctor and know best" keep me from speaking up more when my gut told me it wasn't right. Never again.

You and your colleagues may be doctors, but you're still human. You will still make mistakes, you will still get lazy and sometimes take an easy route, and you will rally around a bad egg to protect the nobleness of the profession. Hell, you're in Dallas. Go read up on Dr. Duntsch and how he was able to bounce around D/FW for a couple of years to continue his excellent care. Some of us got to witness this before COVID, but COVID has exposed a lot more people to the BS within your profession and how someone who doesn't toe the line is cast aside. A recent example in Houston was Houston Methodist suspending the privileges of Dr. Mary Bowden for having the gall to support individual choice.

Also, Doc...trust is earned. Not automatically given.


A friend of mine has a bio kid with a heart defect and has adopted 3 kids from China with heart problems. Her second adopted child died at age 3 due to a doctor not listening to her re medicines when the kid was in distress.

I respect doctors but it is ok to question and seek second opinions always.
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I love how you use a meme to illustrate a point that was debunked in the summer of 2020.
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aTm2004 said:

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I respect your opinion, granted I disagree. But if you have little to no faith in doctors, the next time you break a bone, have a stroke, heart attack, can't breath because of COVID-19, involved in a motor accident, or catch a case of the clap, don't come to the ER, because myself and the other EM docs on this board obviously don't know wtf we are talking about. Working in DFW for 4 years, I've individually treated a minimum of 500 covid patients at this point in my life, (the number is probably closer to 750-800 but I don't feel like doing the math right now). I've probably admitted 200 patients to the hospital? Of those 200 aprox 8 were vaccinated, and 7 of those 8 were on immunosuppressive treatment for renal/hepatic transplant. I see aprox 35 patients in a ER shift and I HAVE NEVER ADMITTED ONE PATIENT TO THE HOSPITAL FOR A VACCINE REACTION. Yes there are side effects to the vaccine, and they are grossly minor reactions if any. However, the major potential side effect to not getting it, is me sedating/paralyzing you so I can shove a piece of plastic down your trachea in the hopes that one day you can breath again on your own. But yea once again, if you don't trust us, I guess don't come to the emergency department when you need us, granted no matter what you think of us, you will always receive care in our medical expertise....emergently saving peoples lives.
This is all I'm going to say on this...

When my son was a toddler, we took him into a specialist for an outpatient procedure. One of the things the doc was doing felt wrong to me, and when I questioned it, I was told by the doc that what he was doing was fine. Turns out, it wasn't. What should have been an in office procedure with a follow up turned into a year+ of hell, 4 unnecessary surgeries, and months of rehab. My son will never be 100% again. A jury agreed the doc screwed up, and the TMB confirmed it. Doctors from all around came to the doc's defense, but luckily one doc in the same practice had a conscious and spoke out.

My son will have to live the rest of his life being physically behind his peers because someone we're all supposed to trust cut corners. I have to live the rest of my life with the guilt of allowing "well, they're a doctor and know best" keep me from speaking up more when my gut told me it wasn't right. Never again.

You and your colleagues may be doctors, but you're still human. You will still make mistakes, you will still get lazy and sometimes take an easy route, and you will rally around a bad egg to protect the nobleness of the profession. Hell, you're in Dallas. Go read up on Dr. Duntsch and how he was able to bounce around D/FW for a couple of years to continue his excellent care. Some of us got to witness this before COVID, but COVID has exposed a lot more people to the BS within your profession and how someone who doesn't toe the line is cast aside. A recent example in Houston was Houston Methodist suspending the privileges of Dr. Mary Bowden for having the gall to support individual choice.

Also, Doc...trust is earned. Not automatically given.


This cannot be starred enough. Sorry for the heartache this caused. Hang in there, God has a plan.

For all on this board who blindly follow the "experts", realize that doctors are people. They are often wrong. Hell, there is much debate within the MD community about how to treat covid. Thousands of doctors are using ivermectin and yet still some on this board call it horse paste.

As atm2004 said, TRUST IS EARNED, NOT AUTOMATICALLY GIVEN. To blindly trust Pfizer, JnJ, Moderna, Fauci, CDC, WHO after their known history of deceit and failure is unfathomable to me.

Dr. Mary Bowden was mentioned above. She was suspended. Why? Has she hurt any patients? Has she killed any patients woth ivermectin? If not, why would they suspend her?

If her patients are getting good outcomes, why would they suspend her? What could the possible agenda be? Does Methodist really care about patient outcomes, or do they care more about something else?
 
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