https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/11/09/texas-unvaccinated-deaths-higher-covid/

On your mark, get set, go. Attack.

F16 will be here soon to claim 40 times zero is still zero.

In fact, it's about 29,000. And I know several of those 29,000 who were swayed by politics and message boards that COVID was just "weak ass flu". And they ended up leaving widows, tears, lost homes, etc. All because message board warriors had convinced them this safe, effective vaccine was the federal government trying to "control" them.

At this point, I cannot imagine there is anyone left who will be swayed by this study. Anyone not vaccinated now has made a political decision, not a health one. And I'm finding myself progressively indifferent to their welfare. Just let Darwin do work at this point.

A few threads down they claim it's only 20? Should I just use that article to protect myself?

I won't argue with you on the vaccine. I've been for them for months and took mine early on. I think 10k or so Texans would likely be alive if they took it months ago instead of either waiting, or not at all.

But again, another story of "I know several". It's just hard to buy. That you really "knew" several, but rather heard of a few from friends of a friend and maybe knew one or two. I'm not calling you a liar but damn, it seems like people on this board combine to know of everyone who died of covid or had a bad outcome, and isn't close to what Ive seen or heard of in real life.

And saying anyone who hasn't now has made their decision purely based on political reasons also isn't correct. I know of a few who had covid, and yes, to them it was a weak ass flu like it is to 95% of people who get it. Then they looked at the statistics on a covid recovered person getting it again and having a severe outcome. Then they looked at the stories of some they knew who got the vaccine, felt worse than they did with covid, and decided it wasn't worth going from 99.99% to 99.999%. If that's their choice, so be it. Move on. There's really nothing to worry about with them

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F16 will be here soon to claim 40 times zero is still zero.

In fact, it's about 29,000. And I know several of those 29,000 who were swayed by politics and message boards that COVID was just "weak ass flu". And they ended up leaving widows, tears, lost homes, etc. All because message board warriors had convinced them this safe, effective vaccine was the federal government trying to "control" them.

At this point, I cannot imagine there is anyone left who will be swayed by this study. Anyone not vaccinated now has made a political decision, not a health one. And I'm finding myself progressively indifferent to their welfare. Just let Darwin do work at this point.

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This and the spurious caveat that it is just old or obese people.

beerad12man said:

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But again, another story of "I know several". It's just hard to buy. That you really "knew" several, but rather heard of a few from friends of a friend and maybe knew one or two. I'm not calling you a liar...

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Yeah, actually you are.

Here are their obituaries. Fabio died before the vaccine was generally available - I knew him through the Knights of Columbus in which we were both active. Mike Haidusek was an old drinking buddy. And Mike Young was a Camp Gladiator friend.

https://www.billdeberry.com/obituary/fabio-borda-jr

https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/dfw/name/michael-haidusek-obituary?id=16151118

https://obits.dallasnews.com/us/obituaries/dallasmorningnews/name/michael-young-obituary?id=28984787

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F16 will be here soon to claim 40 times zero is still zero.

In fact, it's about 29,000. And I know several of those 29,000 who were swayed by politics and message boards that COVID was just "weak ass flu". And they ended up leaving widows, tears, lost homes, etc. All because message board warriors had convinced them this safe, effective vaccine was the federal government trying to "control" them.

At this point, I cannot imagine there is anyone left who will be swayed by this study. Anyone not vaccinated now has made a political decision, not a health one. And I'm finding myself progressively indifferent to their welfare. Just let Darwin do work at this point.

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Or they have natural immunity

Still ignoring natural immunity.

Also it should be an individuals right to take on that additional risk if they so choose.

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wbt5845 said:

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F16 will be here soon to claim 40 times zero is still zero.

In fact, it's about 29,000. And I know several of those 29,000 who were swayed by politics and message boards that COVID was just "weak ass flu". And they ended up leaving widows, tears, lost homes, etc. All because message board warriors had convinced them this safe, effective vaccine was the federal government trying to "control" them.

At this point, I cannot imagine there is anyone left who will be swayed by this study. Anyone not vaccinated now has made a political decision, not a health one. And I'm finding myself progressively indifferent to their welfare. Just let Darwin do work at this point.

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Or they have think they natural immunity

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FIFY

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badbilly said:

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wbt5845 said:

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F16 will be here soon to claim 40 times zero is still zero.

In fact, it's about 29,000. And I know several of those 29,000 who were swayed by politics and message boards that COVID was just "weak ass flu". And they ended up leaving widows, tears, lost homes, etc. All because message board warriors had convinced them this safe, effective vaccine was the federal government trying to "control" them.

At this point, I cannot imagine there is anyone left who will be swayed by this study. Anyone not vaccinated now has made a political decision, not a health one. And I'm finding myself progressively indifferent to their welfare. Just let Darwin do work at this point.

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Or they have think they natural immunity

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FIFY

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If you had covid, you are just as much or more immune then the jab.

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badbilly said:

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wbt5845 said:

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F16 will be here soon to claim 40 times zero is still zero.

In fact, it's about 29,000. And I know several of those 29,000 who were swayed by politics and message boards that COVID was just "weak ass flu". And they ended up leaving widows, tears, lost homes, etc. All because message board warriors had convinced them this safe, effective vaccine was the federal government trying to "control" them.

At this point, I cannot imagine there is anyone left who will be swayed by this study. Anyone not vaccinated now has made a political decision, not a health one. And I'm finding myself progressively indifferent to their welfare. Just let Darwin do work at this point.

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Or they have think they natural immunity

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FIFY

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No. I have antibodies. I know.

harge57 said:

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wbt5845 said:

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badbilly said:

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wbt5845 said:

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F16 will be here soon to claim 40 times zero is still zero.

In fact, it's about 29,000. And I know several of those 29,000 who were swayed by politics and message boards that COVID was just "weak ass flu". And they ended up leaving widows, tears, lost homes, etc. All because message board warriors had convinced them this safe, effective vaccine was the federal government trying to "control" them.

At this point, I cannot imagine there is anyone left who will be swayed by this study. Anyone not vaccinated now has made a political decision, not a health one. And I'm finding myself progressively indifferent to their welfare. Just let Darwin do work at this point.

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Or they have think they natural immunity

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FIFY

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No. I have antibodies. I know.

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As do I. Antibodies still present 16 months and counting after recovering from mild flu symptoms of Covid 19 as a 51 year old man who's in pretty good health.

And regardless, Science teaches us about T Cell memory of the immune system which maintains the "war plans" to fight the virus. Antibodies are strictly a marker.

One of the great lessons of COVID should be taking care of your body physically AND your immuno health, but I feel we're missing it with the foci on vaccines and masks.

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Then they looked at the stories of some they knew who got the vaccine, felt worse than they did with covid, and decided it wasn't worth going from 99.99% to 99.999%. If that's their choice, so be it. Move on. There's really nothing to worry about with them

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100% the case with my family and quite a few friends of ours that had Covid! But if the OP or whomever else wants to think this was a political decision for everyone, go for it...

If the vaccine works then why isn't the chance of death infinitely greater?

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wbt5845 said:

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F16 will be here soon to claim 40 times zero is still zero.

In fact, it's about 29,000. And I know several of those 29,000 who were swayed by politics and message boards that COVID was just "weak ass flu". And they ended up leaving widows, tears, lost homes, etc. All because message board warriors had convinced them this safe, effective vaccine was the federal government trying to "control" them.

At this point, I cannot imagine there is anyone left who will be swayed by this study. Anyone not vaccinated now has made a political decision, not a health one. And I'm finding myself progressively indifferent to their welfare. Just let Darwin do work at this point.

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This and the spurious caveat that it is just old or obese people.

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That's not really spurious at all. The word you're actually looking for is "specious" not "spurious."

But that mistake notwithstanding, it's factual that 80% of all covid deaths have been obese.

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If the vaccine works then why isn't the chance of death infinitely greater?

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Is a college educated individual really asking this question? Are you really so blinded by politics that you cannot see the absurdity to the question you pose?

"If oral contraceptives worked, why do people that use them still get pregnant?"

"If sterile operative technique worked, why do people still get post-op infections?"

beerad12man said:

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I won't argue with you on the vaccine. I've been for them for months and took mine early on. I think 10k or so Texans would likely be alive if they took it months ago instead of either waiting, or not at all.

But again, another story of "I know several". It's just hard to buy. That you really "knew" several, but rather heard of a few from friends of a friend and maybe knew one or two. I'm not calling you a liar but damn, it seems like people on this board combine to know of everyone who died of covid or had a bad outcome, and isn't close to what Ive seen or heard of in real life.

And saying anyone who hasn't now has made their decision purely based on political reasons also isn't correct. I know of a few who had covid, and yes, to them it was a weak ass flu like it is to 95% of people who get it. Then they looked at the statistics on a covid recovered person getting it again and having a severe outcome. Then they looked at the stories of some they knew who got the vaccine, felt worse than they did with covid, and decided it wasn't worth going from 99.99% to 99.999%. If that's their choice, so be it. Move on. There's really nothing to worry about with them

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Agree. Which is why its "over" for me. I am vaccinated and I do not see a point of worrying and limiting myself b/c some decided not to get vaccinated. I have an interesting take on it. I fully support one's desire to not vaccinate. It is their choice and even if it potentially and remotely could become a threat to another person's health that comes into contact with them, if those people are vaccinated, there just shouldn't be too much of a problem. I am still surprised anyone mitigates. Unless they themselves have a serious health issue, and I mean super serious, if they are vaccinated they should be fine.

But if one chooses not to vaccinate, it is their choice and they also will need to face the consequences IF they actually do have some sort of serious complication. Most will not. They lose taste and smell tops. Some could get long covid symptoms. Not fun. And fewer still (one is enough obviously) will die. But there is a vaccine. It is safe. It is available and one will be fine if they take it. We will wait on our kids. There is just zero reason to give them a vaccine at this point and they pose zero threat to others. Still, that wouldn't matter to me as "others" are not my charge. My children are.

I am much more concerned about how this whole thing has effected society than the virus itself. That we live in a society that is so scared of this that they support mandating the vaccine for adults or especially supporting mandating the vaccine for children 5 years old and up is disturbing to me. Grow a pair, get a little brave and deal with the idea that some will not be vaccinated. But it shouldn't be our concern if others decide not to put something they do not want in their body.

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wbt5845 said:

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badbilly said:

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wbt5845 said:

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F16 will be here soon to claim 40 times zero is still zero.

In fact, it's about 29,000. And I know several of those 29,000 who were swayed by politics and message boards that COVID was just "weak ass flu". And they ended up leaving widows, tears, lost homes, etc. All because message board warriors had convinced them this safe, effective vaccine was the federal government trying to "control" them.

At this point, I cannot imagine there is anyone left who will be swayed by this study. Anyone not vaccinated now has made a political decision, not a health one. And I'm finding myself progressively indifferent to their welfare. Just let Darwin do work at this point.

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Or they have think they natural immunity

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FIFY

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No. I have antibodies. I know.

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As do I. Antibodies still present 16 months and counting after recovering from mild flu symptoms of Covid 19 as a 51 year old man who's in pretty good health.

And regardless, Science teaches us about T Cell memory of the immune system which maintains the "war plans" to fight the virus. Antibodies are strictly a marker.

One of the great lessons of COVID should be taking care of your body physically AND your immuno health, but I feel we're missing it with the foci on vaccines and masks.

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100% agree with this. But working out is "hard" and I "can't find the time, you know, Netflix binging and all". Oh, and we should celebrate all body "types" and not put down the conditions that lead to said body types. There is too much political correctness and fear of repercussions to straight up tell people to get jacked (strong and muscular) and eat clean as hell. Yes, you WILL look better but you will feel better and be much much healthier. Again, doesn't fit the narrative.

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I am much more concerned about how this whole thing has effected society than the virus itself. That we live in a society that is so scared of this that they support mandating the vaccine for adults or especially supporting mandating the vaccine for children 5 years old and up is disturbing to me.

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Couldn't have said it better myself!

wbt5845 said:

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F16 will be here soon to claim 40 times zero is still zero.

In fact, it's about 29,000. And I know several of those 29,000 who were swayed by politics and message boards that COVID was just "weak ass flu". And they ended up leaving widows, tears, lost homes, etc. All because message board warriors had convinced them this safe, effective vaccine was the federal government trying to "control" them.

At this point, I cannot imagine there is anyone left who will be swayed by this study. Anyone not vaccinated now has made a political decision, not a health one. And I'm finding myself progressively indifferent to their welfare. Just let Darwin do work at this point.

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If you're truly indifferent then we can expect you to accept other people's decisions while not projecting and being sanctimonious?

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TarponChaser said:

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ATM9000 said:

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wbt5845 said:

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F16 will be here soon to claim 40 times zero is still zero.

In fact, it's about 29,000. And I know several of those 29,000 who were swayed by politics and message boards that COVID was just "weak ass flu". And they ended up leaving widows, tears, lost homes, etc. All because message board warriors had convinced them this safe, effective vaccine was the federal government trying to "control" them.

At this point, I cannot imagine there is anyone left who will be swayed by this study. Anyone not vaccinated now has made a political decision, not a health one. And I'm finding myself progressively indifferent to their welfare. Just let Darwin do work at this point.

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This and the spurious caveat that it is just old or obese people.

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That's not really spurious at all. The word you're actually looking for is "specious" not "spurious."

But that mistake notwithstanding, it's factual that 80% of all covid deaths have been obese.

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Nope. I don't think the caveat is specious at all. The facts bear it out. It's spurious because it lacks any relevance to the problem at hand.

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You don't think that 80% of covid deaths being obese bears any relevance? That's preposterous.

It's exceedingly relevant because every single shred of data shows that if you're young (under 55) and healthy with no underlying issues (though there are tons of people with an overly optimistic assessment of their own health & weight) then the risks of a serious case of covid, regardless of strain, is miniscule. Less than 0.05%- so if it's truly 40x more risky for the unvaccinated and you're young and healthy it jumps all the way up to 0.02%.

That's very relevant to the discussion at hand. "Spurious" is false or fake. "Specious" means superficially attractive but actually incorrect. Your statement was that the introduction of the characteristics of age and obesity as being false or fake is undeniably incorrect. The correct usage would be arguing the information was "specious" despite the fact that's incorrect as well because the data is factual. You're just wrongly classifying a rebuttal as specious.

This is where the fear pron and actual numbers conflict. Some people love misery or pessimism akin to BAS for football.

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This is where the fear pron and actual numbers conflict. Some people love misery or pessimism akin to BAS for football.

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For real.

Last year when the Mrs. & I had covid at the same time it was exceedingly tiresome to have daily calls from our respective families while we did our quarantine. While we appreciated their concern they could not conceive of the fact that our cases were very mild. Like, Mrs. TC had a headache for an afternoon and lost her sense of smell for about a week and I just felt beat up and fatigued for about 36 hours and felt completely fine afterwards. All our family members were just in complete disbelief we weren't on death's door because they had completely bought in to all the fear pron. It was just inconceivable to them that covid wasn't an immediate death sentence.

Had covid. Dont care. Not getting vaxxed. But everyone is free to do whatever they want. Freedom is a beautiful thing.

Bay fan after a successful troll:

beerad12man said:

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I won't argue with you on the vaccine. I've been for them for months and took mine early on. I think 10k or so Texans would likely be alive if they took it months ago instead of either waiting, or not at all.

But again, another story of "I know several". It's just hard to buy. That you really "knew" several, but rather heard of a few from friends of a friend and maybe knew one or two. I'm not calling you a liar but damn, it seems like people on this board combine to know of everyone who died of covid or had a bad outcome, and isn't close to what Ive seen or heard of in real life.

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I know of several but I don't know anybody personally. Our county is 22nd in the nation in deaths so I guess it's not surprising that I know of a bunch.

My buddy's 46 year old unvaxxed brother died yesterday.

Our pest control guy at the office, I've known him for 30 years, he asked me about the vaccine in like January of this year and I gave him my soft sell - 'are you more concerned about the effects of the vaccine or covid?'

His wife died a few months later in May. Neither of them were vaxxed but he got the shot when she got sick.

My wife's uncle was in good health until covid got him this summer. No vaccine for him or his brother and his kids.

I could go on and on, employee's siblings, insureds of ours, etc. It's real but most people won't change their minds until they're personally affected. And that's fine. Everybody has to live their own life and make their own choices. Doesn't make any unvaxxed death this year any less tragic and pointless to those close to them.

3 days ago it was 20X more likely, now it is 40X more likely. Give me a break.

coolerguy12 said:

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If the vaccine works then why isn't the chance of death infinitely greater?

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You see until nine months ago vaccines were to prevent you from getting an illness. Now it's just to lower your chances by a percentage of dying. (Percentage depends on the day the thread was posted).

Myocarditis Happens https://t.co/NsCBz2MiAw

— Dr. Urso (@richardursomd) November 12, 2021

29-Year-Old Mountain Bike National Title Winner Kyle Warner Diagnosed with Pericarditis After Taking Pfizer Vaccine Career Ruined (VIDEO)
By Jim Hoft
Published November 11, 2021 at 3:10pm
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"As soon as they injected it, I had a weird metallic saline taste in my mouth. I asked the guy, 'Is that normal?' and he said no, they don't hear of that much. The fact that the clinician doesn't recognize that a metallic taste in the mouth could be a sign of an inadvertent intravascular administration concerns me because what happens is if the vaccine goes into your muscle, then it stays in your muscle, and it's going to take half an hour to be systemically absorbed at all, or much longer than that. But if it goes into a vessel, you get a metallic taste straight away …The fact that you could taste that straight away is, to me, very suspicious of them inadvertently giving that into a blood vessel … Basically, you're having the inflammatory reaction in your heart and in your joints instead of in your arm."

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Two weeks after he took the second dose, Warner started to notice some strange reactions in his heart and he experienced a series of accelerated heart rates. He claimed that he only took the vaccine shot because he wanted to travel internationally.


After the break, he attempted to go for a ride and his heart rate spiked to 160 and remained elevated. Feeling weak and nauseous, he had his friend take him to the emergency room. He told the ER doctor that he'd heard about myocarditis as a side effect with the mRNA injections and he thought he was having this reaction. They completely brushed him off, telling him that he was not having that reaction but, instead, was having an anxiety attack.
After being told that his problem didn't make him a priority to be seen, he sat in the waiting room for 3.5 hours and was ultimately given a shot of the nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug Toradol to treat reactive arthritis. His heart rate dropped down to 110, leading the doctor to tell him he was doing better, but he was still at nearly double his average heart rate.
The doctor's solution was to refer him to a psychiatrist for what he described as a "psychotic episode." According to Warner, since he suggested that his reaction was from the shot, the health care practitioners thought he was imagining things or "trying to be anti-vaxx or a conspiracy theorist." Four days later, he ended up in the hospital again.
Days after being sent home from the ER, Warner again had problems with his heart this time, a strong squeezing sensation along with cramping and burning. He went to a different hospital where they took his concern seriously, said it could be myocarditis an inflammation of the heart muscle and referred him to a cardiologist.


He regularly wears a smart watch that tracks his heart rate and knows what's normal for him and this was not. While sitting at rest, his heart rate would spike to the 90s and over 100. He decided to cut out all stimulants like caffeine, just in case, and took two weeks off from riding because he didn't feel good.

Warner thanked everyone who has been supportive and understanding of him speaking out on this issue on his Instagram account.

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Thanks to everyone that has been supportive and understanding of me speaking out on this issue. Many of you know me as a pretty reasonable and caring guy and I never intended to be a part of this whole conversation.
However after my experience this summer, and listening to literally thousands of similar stories I feel like I need to stand up for the people who either cannot, or don't have access to the same platform.
It's not political, it's personal. I want the best for the world and for humanity and it breaks my heart to see people suffering in any way. This past week in DC shook my view of the world drastically, and it made me realize how much we as average human beings need to come together and advocate for one another. Please listen to my message before judging or labeling. I'm just a dude who cares about others and wants the government to acknowledge and support what's actually happening.

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