bay fan said:

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There is plenty of information on how the vaccine works (consequently the lack of long term effects) if you are willing process it.

Why do any of you care what others choose to do? You're all about personal choice and liberty but freak out a vaccine becomes available as a choice?

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bay fan said:

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There is plenty of information on how the vaccine works (consequently the lack of long term effects) if you are willing process it.

Why do any of you care what others choose to do? You're all about personal choice and liberty but freak out a vaccine becomes available as a choice?

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bay fan said:

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DFWTLR said:

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The vaccine caused >104 degree fever in 2% of the kids, that is overwhelmingly worse than if a child gets covid.

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It's a choice parents will make. I don't know, how many died?

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Lrss than 0.0000% of that age group have died of covid. 2% of that age group.is half a million, how many kids will die from high fever from the shot. I'm willing to bet more than 0.0000%

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Old Buffalo said:

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My kid had COVID. We thought it was an ear ache.

Lasted like 2 days.

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So your school district allowed your kid to miss 2 days of school only? You guys are having a hard time following here, nobody said your kid was feeling the physical symptoms, simply that someone must stay with that child for what, 7-10 days?

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In August, the companies began a trial of a multivalent vaccine that targets both the Delta and Alpha variants.

"We're not doing that because we actually think we need a new vaccine for those strains," says Philip Dormitzer, vice-president and chief scientific officer of viral vaccines and mRNA at Pfizer, based in New York City. "We want to practise all aspects of executing a strain change the preclinical research, the manufacturing, the clinical testing and the regulatory submissions so that if we do see a variant out there that truly escapes vaccine immunity, we're ready to go fast." Dormitzer says Pfizer currently has no plans to deploy its Beta or Delta vaccines among the public.

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Because vaccination does not prevent infection with the virus, Marek's is still transmissible from vaccinated flocks to other birds, including the wild bird population. The first Marek's disease vaccine was introduced in 1970. The disease would cause mild paralysis, with the only identifiable lesions being in neural tissue. Mortality of chickens infected with Marek's disease was quite low. Current strains of Marek virus, decades after the first vaccine was introduced, cause lymphoma formation throughout the chicken's body and mortality rates have reached 100% in unvaccinated chickens. The Marek's disease vaccine is a "leaky vaccine", which means that only the symptoms of the disease are prevented. Infection of the host and the transmission of the virus are not inhibited by the vaccine. This contrasts with most other vaccines, where infection of the host is prevented. Under normal conditions, highly virulent strains of the virus are not selected. A highly virulent strain would kill the host before the virus would have an opportunity to transmit to other potential hosts and replicate. Thus, less virulent strains are selected. These strains are virulent enough to induce symptoms but not enough to kill the host, allowing further transmission. However, the leaky vaccine changes this evolutionary pressure and permits the evolution of highly virulent strains. The vaccine's inability to prevent infection and transmission allows the spread of highly virulent strains among vaccinated chickens. The fitness of the more virulent strains is increased by the vaccine.

The evolution of Marek's disease due to vaccination has had a profound effect on the poultry industry. All chickens across the globe are now vaccinated against Marek's disease (birds hatched in private flocks for laying or exhibition are rarely vaccinated). Highly virulent strains have been selected to the point that any chicken that is unvaccinated will die if infected.

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"Our concern here, primarily and foremost, is whether this is going to happen with any of the vaccines that we give to people," said molecular biology of the University of Texas Austin, who specializes in the evolution of viruses and bacteria. "But there is a lot we don't know about how the scenario with Marek's could apply to newer human vaccines."

To test the imperfect vaccine hypothesis in humans, you would need monitor the vaccine response for either a large or isolated population for a long time. Doing this would allow a researcher to gauge how the vaccine interacts with the virus and if that relationship is evolving. Does the vaccine merely reduce symptoms, or does it also keep patients from getting infected and transmitting the virus?

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Irish 2.0 said:

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In defense of the actual MDs on this board, none of them have chimed in yet.

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Irish 2.0 said:

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In defense of the actual MDs on this board, none of them have chimed in yet.

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bay fan said:

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Old Buffalo said:

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My kid had COVID. We thought it was an ear ache.

Lasted like 2 days.

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So your school district allowed your kid to miss 2 days of school only? You guys are having a hard time following here, nobody said your kid was feeling the physical symptoms, simply that someone must stay with that child for what, 7-10 days?

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Vaccinated people are just as likely as unvaccinated people to spread the delta variant to contacts in their household, a yearlong study found https://t.co/2Px9LM5WcB

— Bloomberg (@business) October 28, 2021

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I'm a doc, I just don't care enough to have a badge. My kids pediatrician doesn't think healthy 12 and under benefit enough from covid vaccines to justify the shot either. Unless the risk profile for covid changes significantly in the future, I will not vaccinate my kids. If they had underlying conditions, I would.

There are plenty of physicians who still have the ability to examine data and make a reasoned decision but they don't tend to go on about it on social media.

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Irish 2.0 said:

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You're going to ignore the numerous reports of myocarditis amongst people under 18?

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Gordo14 said:

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Irish 2.0 said:

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You're going to ignore the numerous reports of myocarditis amongst people under 18?

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There have also been numerous reports of myocarditis from the virus. This was well documented last year before we had vaccines. I saw many people downplay myocarditis last year and now it's the worst thing ever.

I still think the there are benefits to getting the vaccine for children similar to getting any vaccine. Some tangible, some intangible. Some systemic, some personal. However, I don't think child vaccination is nearly as important as it is for adults and don't think it's as big a deal if you don't get it for your kids. I would. But I see we've crossed into being irrationally angry that the FDA has done the research to provide people this option. Just not that interested in the "muh freedoms" discussion because the FDA approved the option to get the vaccine.

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