Disclaimer: I have had both Moderna shots. However, this is becoming blatantly a government seeing just how far it can beat down its citizens.
How Does The Medical Community Defend This?
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In children?Gordo14 said:Irish 2.0 said:
You're going to ignore the numerous reports of myocarditis amongst people under 18?
There have also been numerous reports of myocarditis from the virus. This was well documented last year before we had vaccines. I saw many people downplay myocarditis last year and now it's the worst thing ever.
I still think the there are benefits to getting the vaccine for children similar to getting any vaccine. Some tangible, some intangible. Some systemic, some personal. However, I don't think child vaccination is nearly as important as it is for adults and don't think it's as big a deal if you don't get it for your kids. I would. But I see we've crossed into being irrationally angry that the FDA has done the research to provide people this option. Just not that interested in the "muh freedoms" discussion because the FDA approved the option to get the vaccine.
My 11 year tested positive Wednesday. She has zero symptoms. I've seen numerous children now who have tested positive and it has barely affected them. Crazy how many people are just willing to accept whatever the government tells them.thenational said:
We had a 13 year old girl in our softball league that got the vaccine. She died the next night in her sleep. They haven't said a reason of death, but I would be willing to bet the vaccine caused it.
I'd say the media is a bigger problem. The fear mongering over this has been so unbelievable its easy to see how half the country has covid ptsd.
I really don't understand why there is anything to defend. There are children that will definitely benefit from the vaccine, so getting an emergency approval for them is important. Most institutions and most doctors would not prescribe a vaccine or treatment for a child off-label, especially something relatively new. So this emergency approval lets doctors give the vaccines to high-risk kids like cancer patients and transplant recipients.
Any concerns about widespread mandating of the vaccine should be addressed to your elected officials. The FDA doesn't have any power over that, and they shouldn't withhold approval for fear of what any random politicians might do with the treatment. I guess you could argue for a narrower approval, for high risk children only for instance, but that is practically unenforcable. You can't really list out the diseases that qualify as there are a ton of rare, unrelated, and weird childhood illnesses
Any concerns about widespread mandating of the vaccine should be addressed to your elected officials. The FDA doesn't have any power over that, and they shouldn't withhold approval for fear of what any random politicians might do with the treatment. I guess you could argue for a narrower approval, for high risk children only for instance, but that is practically unenforcable. You can't really list out the diseases that qualify as there are a ton of rare, unrelated, and weird childhood illnesses
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Any concerns about widespread mandating of the vaccine should be addressed to your elected officials. The FDA doesn't have any power over that
Considering the federal government is unconstitutionally using OSHA to mandate it for tens of millions of adults I would argue there is a very real concern over the feds doing something similar for children, too. Reaching out to elected officials has done exactly squat to stop that, too.
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But that's not the FDA's job. The FDA is only looking at one question: "Should doctors and other providers be allowed to give this vaccine to kids in this age range?" Based on everything we know, the answer to that question is an emphatic "yes". That's the end of it.
Oddly, the same group of people complaining about the politicization of the pandemic are also the people complaining about the FDA decision, which really isn't political. Now withholding approval based entirely on the laws and regulations that may or may not be passed would be an unprecedented political move by the FDA
Oddly, the same group of people complaining about the politicization of the pandemic are also the people complaining about the FDA decision, which really isn't political. Now withholding approval based entirely on the laws and regulations that may or may not be passed would be an unprecedented political move by the FDA
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Most of the people I know are sending their kids to school when they have 'covid like' symptoms. In the past, most probably would have kept the kids home for a day or two, but with the paranoia of covid, it's not worth taking 2 weeks off work for their kids sniffles. I suspect my kids have been exposed to it multiple times.bay fan said:So your school district allowed your kid to miss 2 days of school only? You guys are having a hard time following here, nobody said your kid was feeling the physical symptoms, simply that someone must stay with that child for what, 7-10 days?Old Buffalo said:
My kid had COVID. We thought it was an ear ache.
Lasted like 2 days.
imagine thinking the FDA was going to withhold EUA on childhood vaccinationsQuote:
Oddly, the same group of people complaining about the politicization of the pandemic are also the people complaining about the FDA decision, which really isn't political.
at this point, the utility isn't really about protecting children. it's about breaking the crippling risk aversion we have come to accept.
the study used to prove the effectiveness and safety of the childhood vaccines illustrates that.
ramblin_ag02 said:
But that's not the FDA's job. The FDA is only looking at one question: "Should doctors and other providers be allowed to give this vaccine to kids in this age range?" Based on everything we know, the answer to that question is an emphatic "yes". That's the end of it.
Oddly, the same group of people complaining about the politicization of the pandemic are also the people complaining about the FDA decision, which really isn't political. Now withholding approval based entirely on the laws and regulations that may or may not be passed would be an unprecedented political move by the FDA
Your point is correct, however there could be actual messaging from the FDA or CDC about this vs a blanket EUA. Gavin Newsome stated he would mandate vaccines for every K-12 child in the state the semester after one was approved.
Not sure what it would hurt for the FDA/CDC to state what you did above, but it would go a long way.
That is my favorite part. The study did not prove any effectiveness. The study was not large enough to actual show any net benefit from the vaccine. They measured antibody response as the rating for effective.cone said:imagine thinking the FDA was going to withhold EUA on childhood vaccinationsQuote:
Oddly, the same group of people complaining about the politicization of the pandemic are also the people complaining about the FDA decision, which really isn't political.
at this point, the utility isn't really about protecting children. it's about breaking the crippling risk aversion we have come to accept.
the study used to prove the effectiveness and safety of the childhood vaccines illustrates that.
it was a ridiculous study
if they just wanted to prove the safety of the vaccine, they should have leaned in harder on that and made the study bigger
ultimately VAERS data will be the real safety indication, but that's not how this is supposed to work
if they just wanted to prove the safety of the vaccine, they should have leaned in harder on that and made the study bigger
ultimately VAERS data will be the real safety indication, but that's not how this is supposed to work
ramblin_ag02 said:
But that's not the FDA's job. The FDA is only looking at one question: "Should doctors and other providers be allowed to give this vaccine to kids in this age range?" Based on everything we know, the answer to that question is an emphatic "yes". That's the end of it.
Oddly, the same group of people complaining about the politicization of the pandemic are also the people complaining about the FDA decision, which really isn't political. Now withholding approval based entirely on the laws and regulations that may or may not be passed would be an unprecedented political move by the FDA
Yes, the FDA is political. They didnt have to necessarily give widespread EUA for all children ages 5-11. They couldve just as easily given it for a variety of circumstances, like obesity, cancer patients, transplant patients, etc. Most drugs are approved for a subset of the population and with that, physicians can write prescriptions for off-label use as has been done billions of times. Why not just give an EUA approval for high risk children, which would give physicians the ability to administer for off-label use?
The only answer I have for that is that they would have to approve it for "high risk children" without specifying anything. You can't really just list a bunch of risk factors for kids. The variety of severe childhood illnesses is mindblowing. They would have left something important out. As far as off label use, there is a huge taboo against off label vaccine use, especially in children. Probably for the best, but I can't think of a single time I have prescribed an off label vaccine to a child and can only think of one time for an adult.Quote:
Why not just give an EUA approval for high risk children, which would give physicians the ability to administer for off-label use?
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weird because this is what they said for adult boosters
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The use of a single booster dose of the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine that may be administered at least 6 months after completion of the primary series to individuals:
- 65 years of age and older
- 18 through 64 years of age at high risk of severe COVID-19
- 18 through 64 years of age with frequent institutional or occupational exposure to SARS-CoV-2
Fair point. I don't see any reason to vaccinate low risk children, and if they are being explicit about boosters they could have been explicit here
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Im neutral on vaccines - If I choose to vaccinate my kid I dont care if you vaccinate yours or not. It is your choice. I dont believe the government does a great job at anything - especially healthcare.
One thing that I think is pretty silly is that while this COVID-19 vaccine is new, the corona virus and its strains have been around a looooong time. Thus we have many years of history developing Corona virus vaccines. Why do you think it took such a short time to get it produced vs. lets say the 30 years of the chicken pox vaccine?
It isnt like we started from scratch? Dogs have been vaccinated for coronavirus for many years. Not saying what is good for your dog should be good for you.
All Im saying is lets look at it through a realistic view here with all the facts. Fear mongering is on both sides and people feel so strong about it - kinda is ridiculous.
One thing that I think is pretty silly is that while this COVID-19 vaccine is new, the corona virus and its strains have been around a looooong time. Thus we have many years of history developing Corona virus vaccines. Why do you think it took such a short time to get it produced vs. lets say the 30 years of the chicken pox vaccine?
It isnt like we started from scratch? Dogs have been vaccinated for coronavirus for many years. Not saying what is good for your dog should be good for you.
All Im saying is lets look at it through a realistic view here with all the facts. Fear mongering is on both sides and people feel so strong about it - kinda is ridiculous.
DFWTLR said:ramblin_ag02 said:
But that's not the FDA's job. The FDA is only looking at one question: "Should doctors and other providers be allowed to give this vaccine to kids in this age range?" Based on everything we know, the answer to that question is an emphatic "yes". That's the end of it.
Oddly, the same group of people complaining about the politicization of the pandemic are also the people complaining about the FDA decision, which really isn't political. Now withholding approval based entirely on the laws and regulations that may or may not be passed would be an unprecedented political move by the FDA
Your point is correct, however there could be actual messaging from the FDA or CDC about this vs a blanket EUA. Gavin Newsome stated he would mandate vaccines for every K-12 child in the state* the semester after one was approved.
*for public schools.
his daughter is in private school, is old enough to receive it, and hadn't had it, as well as some other vaccines as of a few weeks ago.
Also, if you are in Texas and your kids go to public school (sorry about that), you CAN opt out of vaccines.
My daughter (11) is on day eight of Covid, and she has not shown a single symptom. I'd be more concerned if she had a cold.
I now know many kids who have had Covid, and none of them have had more than a mild fever for a day or two.
There's no way I'm giving my daughter this vaccine anywhere in the near future.
I now know many kids who have had Covid, and none of them have had more than a mild fever for a day or two.
There's no way I'm giving my daughter this vaccine anywhere in the near future.
"jab your kids to save other peoples' lives"
....that is going to be the main message soon....can't make standing on the risk to kids so it has to be risk to elderly/grandparents, autoimmune disorders, etc.
....that is going to be the main message soon....can't make standing on the risk to kids so it has to be risk to elderly/grandparents, autoimmune disorders, etc.
As I said earlier in the thread, the advocates of children covid vaccination are generally doing it to make themselves feel more secure. Close schools, force vaccination, save the old, frail, obese, and fearful by sacrificing the young.
Yes. And my kids are not going to be an experiment due to your high risk conditions...sorry....get vaccinated if concerned...grab a few boosters if really concerned....
My daughter feels much worse right now with a cold than she did last year with COVID. Admittedly, she is a very healthy weight and dances ballet many hours per week.aggierogue said:
My daughter (11) is on day eight of Covid, and she has not shown a single symptom. I'd be more concerned if she had a cold.
I now know many kids who have had Covid, and none of them have had more than a mild fever for a day or two.
There's no way I'm giving my daughter this vaccine anywhere in the near future.
That said, I will NOT ever test her again for COVID because of the sniffles. She isn't missing school/dance for days just to be told she has a cold. For all I know, she has COVID again right now but we will not test. We're done with the COVID game.
I think most of us are totally fine with it as long as it truly does remain a choice. While I am not willing to, as another poster put it here, send my kids across that mine field first, I am totally ok with seeing what data we do get from the kids that are vaccinated over the next few years.bay fan said:
There is plenty of information on how the vaccine works (consequently the lack of long term effects) if you are willing process it.
Why do any of you care what others choose to do? You're all about personal choice and liberty but freak out a vaccine becomes available as a choice?
I will add that very few kids, or adults for that matter, are missing school at my school where I work from Covid. It's almost died down to 0 cases over the last few weeks. Maybe 1 or 2. Nothing really to 'sneeze" at (pun intended
). The Delta spike is done. Maybe we get another variant but if enough adults are vaccinated, we should be fine moving forward (yes, I stayed at a Holiday Inn once so I am qualified to say such) I care about the E in EUA. We have laws and regulations for a reason. There isn't a valid emergency to claim use for every child. I wouldn't have had an issue if they had done it similar to the booster with an EUA for "high risk" kids. Sure, anyone could still get it but it isn't completely just throwing reason to the wind.Capitol Ag said:I think most of us are totally fine with it as long as it truly does remain a choice. While I am not willing to, as another poster put it here, send my kids across that mine field first, I am totally ok with seeing what data we do get from the kids that are vaccinated over the next few years.bay fan said:
There is plenty of information on how the vaccine works (consequently the lack of long term effects) if you are willing process it.
Why do any of you care what others choose to do? You're all about personal choice and liberty but freak out a vaccine becomes available as a choice?
I will add that very few kids, or adults for that matter, are missing school at my school where I work from Covid. It's almost died down to 0 cases over the last few weeks. Maybe 1 or 2. Nothing really to 'sneeze" at (pun intended
Our district is dropping to next to nothing too. 54 cases reported across 35,000 students/staff. Most at any school is 4 cases.
Before a few try to crucify you for this, I honestly view this as a totally reasonable response moving forward. Same applies for adults. Sure, stay home if you do not feel good and it's serious enough to keep you home. But at this point, with a vaccine and with enough in the population having been infected already, the time for locking up and quarantining is over, imo.redcrayon said:My daughter feels much worse right now with a cold than she did last year with COVID. Admittedly, she is a very healthy weight and dances ballet many hours per week.aggierogue said:
My daughter (11) is on day eight of Covid, and she has not shown a single symptom. I'd be more concerned if she had a cold.
I now know many kids who have had Covid, and none of them have had more than a mild fever for a day or two.
There's no way I'm giving my daughter this vaccine anywhere in the near future.
That said, I will NOT ever test her again for COVID because of the sniffles. She isn't missing school/dance for days just to be told she has a cold. For all I know, she has COVID again right now but we will not test. We're done with the COVID game.
Certainly testing people just to test them is ridiculous at this point as well. Massive testing programs for non sick people is absurd.
100% agree. This is NOT an emergency situation. Again, another failure in terms of messaging.Brad06ag said:I care about the E in EUA. We have laws and regulations for a reason. There isn't a valid emergency to claim use for every child. I wouldn't have had an issue if they had done it similar to the booster with an EUA for "high risk" kids. Sure, anyone could still get it but it isn't completely just throwing reason to the wind.Capitol Ag said:I think most of us are totally fine with it as long as it truly does remain a choice. While I am not willing to, as another poster put it here, send my kids across that mine field first, I am totally ok with seeing what data we do get from the kids that are vaccinated over the next few years.bay fan said:
There is plenty of information on how the vaccine works (consequently the lack of long term effects) if you are willing process it.
Why do any of you care what others choose to do? You're all about personal choice and liberty but freak out a vaccine becomes available as a choice?
I will add that very few kids, or adults for that matter, are missing school at my school where I work from Covid. It's almost died down to 0 cases over the last few weeks. Maybe 1 or 2. Nothing really to 'sneeze" at (pun intended
Our district is dropping to next to nothing too. 54 cases reported across 35,000 students/staff. Most at any school is 4 cases.
Exactly where I'm at. If we have a fever or feel sick, we stay home. But we're not missing school/work for a runny nose or headache that turns into a COVID test that turns into several days at home waiting on results.Capitol Ag said:Before a few try to crucify you for this, I honestly view this as a totally reasonable response moving forward. Same applies for adults. Sure, stay home if you do not feel good and it's serious enough to keep you home. But at this point, with a vaccine and with enough in the population having been infected already, the time for locking up and quarantining is over, imo.redcrayon said:My daughter feels much worse right now with a cold than she did last year with COVID. Admittedly, she is a very healthy weight and dances ballet many hours per week.aggierogue said:
My daughter (11) is on day eight of Covid, and she has not shown a single symptom. I'd be more concerned if she had a cold.
I now know many kids who have had Covid, and none of them have had more than a mild fever for a day or two.
There's no way I'm giving my daughter this vaccine anywhere in the near future.
That said, I will NOT ever test her again for COVID because of the sniffles. She isn't missing school/dance for days just to be told she has a cold. For all I know, she has COVID again right now but we will not test. We're done with the COVID game.
It's not about protecting the kids. It's about controlling their parents.
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I really began to question the FDA when they made the immature/political "Don't take Ivermectin, you are not a horse" tweet.ramblin_ag02 said:
But that's not the FDA's job. The FDA is only looking at one question: "Should doctors and other providers be allowed to give this vaccine to kids in this age range?" Based on everything we know, the answer to that question is an emphatic "yes". That's the end of it.
Oddly, the same group of people complaining about the politicization of the pandemic are also the people complaining about the FDA decision, which really isn't political. Now withholding approval based entirely on the laws and regulations that may or may not be passed would be an unprecedented political move by the FDA
At this point, I feel like every alphabet agency of the fed, from the FBI, to the IRS, to the CDC, to the FDA, is heavily comprised of people of one political persuasion.
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