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snowdog90 said:

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Gordo14 said:

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Knucklesammich said:

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I thought it was cool to watch two personalities who clearly disagree with each other manage to have a civil disagreement and discuss it for 3 hours.

I thought it was telling that Gupta mentioned his own echo chamber in terms of audience early in the pod when discussing why he came on.

When you see both sides arguing something like this you realize the right answer generally lies somewhere in the middle.

While not team Ivermectin personally I thought it was interesting when they discussed CNN mocking Rogan for taking horse de-wormer when he was taking a prescribed, human dose of the drug vs. say something he got at Tractor Supply. Clearly agenda driven on CNN's part and would have liked to see that discussion anchor more on the echo chamber aspect of playing up to that networks' mob vs. playing to another network's mob.

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Every single time Ive told someone Ive taken Ivermectin to treat my covid long haul symptoms, they always reply with "that horse dewormer" or "horse tranquilizer." Where do you think they got the idea that it was a horse dewormer only? The freaking media.

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Sure. I do think there is a distinct difference between you - someone experiencing long COVID without a clear understanding of what is happening and when/if there will be a treatment - And someone saying "I won't get vaccinated because I'll just take ivermectin if I catch COVID".

For you, because there is no real clear path and I kinda feel like you should do what makes you feel normal. For the anti-vaxer that thinks running to tractor supply is the best way to deal with COVID, that's a very real problem.

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Wait. So I take ivermectin prophylactically, haven't gotten covid, haven't passed it to anyone, and somehow I'm the problem??

Meanwhile, the miracle vaccine comes out, millions take it, and yet this massive new wave of cases and deaths happen, vaccinated and unvaccinated, and I'm the problem?

Joe Rogan is the problem because he got covid and kicked it's ass in about a day without the vaccine, but with easily available therapeutics?

Clown world.

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Of course 90% at least of the "massive new wave of deaths " are unvaccinated, and even the ones that are have significant comorbidities.

And if I took sheep intestine medicine around the time I recovered from covid, and shouted to the world that it can replace vaccines, yes thats ****ing idiotic and reckless.

Clown world.

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When you blatantly lie about ivermectin, you are part of the problem. Ivermectin is a ssafe medicine for HUMANS and animals. It has anti-viral properties and kicks covid's ass when taken properly. You lie about it so easily, you might be a member of the media or the CDC.

You probably know these facts about ivermectin already, yet you still choose to lie and call it sheep medicine. That's why you and Fauci and all the other proven liars are not trustted by many many people.

Ivermectin works against covid. Millions of people have used it successfully. The vaccinated in Israel and UK probably wish they'd gotten on an ivermectin protocol like me. If they're still alive.

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Name a single respected study with sound statistics that prove Ivermectin work. Nothing in your link, https://covid19criticalcare.com/ actually shows a study directly comparing Ivermectin benefits to covid with any standard statistical procedures, control groups, independent variable consistency, etc

Oh and don't bother posting the worthless Peru study with zero statistical consistency, especially since they stopped promoting Ivermectin a long time ago, nor any of the fake Johns Hopkins data thats been laughed out of here.

Millions of people also ate jelly beans and survived covid, feel free to spread that on twitter since nobody gives a **** about science out there.

And in the meanwhile, thousands and thousands are taking alternate drugs thinking its a good as the vaccine and are drowning to death with low 02 levels. Jesus Christ.

You really are invested in this, huh?

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snowdog90 said:

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CondensedFoggyAggie said:

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snowdog90 said:

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Gordo14 said:

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ea1060 said:

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Knucklesammich said:

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I thought it was cool to watch two personalities who clearly disagree with each other manage to have a civil disagreement and discuss it for 3 hours.

I thought it was telling that Gupta mentioned his own echo chamber in terms of audience early in the pod when discussing why he came on.

When you see both sides arguing something like this you realize the right answer generally lies somewhere in the middle.

While not team Ivermectin personally I thought it was interesting when they discussed CNN mocking Rogan for taking horse de-wormer when he was taking a prescribed, human dose of the drug vs. say something he got at Tractor Supply. Clearly agenda driven on CNN's part and would have liked to see that discussion anchor more on the echo chamber aspect of playing up to that networks' mob vs. playing to another network's mob.

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Every single time Ive told someone Ive taken Ivermectin to treat my covid long haul symptoms, they always reply with "that horse dewormer" or "horse tranquilizer." Where do you think they got the idea that it was a horse dewormer only? The freaking media.

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Sure. I do think there is a distinct difference between you - someone experiencing long COVID without a clear understanding of what is happening and when/if there will be a treatment - And someone saying "I won't get vaccinated because I'll just take ivermectin if I catch COVID".

For you, because there is no real clear path and I kinda feel like you should do what makes you feel normal. For the anti-vaxer that thinks running to tractor supply is the best way to deal with COVID, that's a very real problem.

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Wait. So I take ivermectin prophylactically, haven't gotten covid, haven't passed it to anyone, and somehow I'm the problem??

Meanwhile, the miracle vaccine comes out, millions take it, and yet this massive new wave of cases and deaths happen, vaccinated and unvaccinated, and I'm the problem?

Joe Rogan is the problem because he got covid and kicked it's ass in about a day without the vaccine, but with easily available therapeutics?

Clown world.

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Of course 90% at least of the "massive new wave of deaths " are unvaccinated, and even the ones that are have significant comorbidities.

And if I took sheep intestine medicine around the time I recovered from covid, and shouted to the world that it can replace vaccines, yes thats ****ing idiotic and reckless.

Clown world.

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When you blatantly lie about ivermectin, you are part of the problem. Ivermectin is a ssafe medicine for HUMANS and animals. It has anti-viral properties and kicks covid's ass when taken properly. You lie about it so easily, you might be a member of the media or the CDC.

You probably know these facts about ivermectin already, yet you still choose to lie and call it sheep medicine. That's why you and Fauci and all the other proven liars are not trustted by many many people.

Ivermectin works against covid. Millions of people have used it successfully. The vaccinated in Israel and UK probably wish they'd gotten on an ivermectin protocol like me. If they're still alive.

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Name a single respected study with sound statistics that prove Ivermectin work. Nothing in your link, https://covid19criticalcare.com/ actually shows a study directly comparing Ivermectin benefits to covid with any standard statistical procedures, control groups, independent variable consistency, etc

Oh and don't bother posting the worthless Peru study with zero statistical consistency, especially since they stopped promoting Ivermectin a long time ago, nor any of the fake Johns Hopkins data thats been laughed out of here.

Millions of people also ate jelly beans and survived covid, feel free to spread that on twitter since nobody gives a **** about science out there.

And in the meanwhile, thousands and thousands are taking alternate drugs thinking its a good as the vaccine and are drowning to death with low 02 levels. Jesus Christ.

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This is such bull*****

Respected study? Respected by whom? The lying CDC? The lying Dr. Fauci? The lying WHO?

That website you're so flippant about is made up of tbousands of doctors and nurses who fight covid daily, and they do it with ivermectin. Some doctors report that of the patients that get ivermectin in the first week of contracting covid, NONE have died. Sorry that's not your amazing double-blind criteria, but 100% survival of covid for any doctor is what we want, and what we should applaud. And they're doing it using Ivermectin as early as possible.

Here's the latest from India, which has largely been unreported because Big Pharma needs more billions of vaccine money.

https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/indias-ivermectin-blackout---part-v-the-secret-revealed/article_9a37d9a8-1fb2-11ec-a94b-47343582647b.html

There are countless studies and anecdotal stories, many from Texags people, that show that IVERMECTIN WORKS AGAINST COVID.

Keep taking your booster if you want, I'll stick with my Ivermectin.

For anyone truly curious about the truth of ivermectin, take the time to check out the FLCCC website. There's tons of studies, tons of Dr. testimonials, tons of real scientists talking about real science. They have nothing personally to gain from this, and in fact some are risking their careers going against the powers that be. They just want to help people survive covid.

snowdog90 said:

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CondensedFoggyAggie said:

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snowdog90 said:

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CondensedFoggyAggie said:

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snowdog90 said:

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Gordo14 said:

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ea1060 said:

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Knucklesammich said:

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I thought it was cool to watch two personalities who clearly disagree with each other manage to have a civil disagreement and discuss it for 3 hours.

I thought it was telling that Gupta mentioned his own echo chamber in terms of audience early in the pod when discussing why he came on.

When you see both sides arguing something like this you realize the right answer generally lies somewhere in the middle.

While not team Ivermectin personally I thought it was interesting when they discussed CNN mocking Rogan for taking horse de-wormer when he was taking a prescribed, human dose of the drug vs. say something he got at Tractor Supply. Clearly agenda driven on CNN's part and would have liked to see that discussion anchor more on the echo chamber aspect of playing up to that networks' mob vs. playing to another network's mob.

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Every single time Ive told someone Ive taken Ivermectin to treat my covid long haul symptoms, they always reply with "that horse dewormer" or "horse tranquilizer." Where do you think they got the idea that it was a horse dewormer only? The freaking media.

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Sure. I do think there is a distinct difference between you - someone experiencing long COVID without a clear understanding of what is happening and when/if there will be a treatment - And someone saying "I won't get vaccinated because I'll just take ivermectin if I catch COVID".

For you, because there is no real clear path and I kinda feel like you should do what makes you feel normal. For the anti-vaxer that thinks running to tractor supply is the best way to deal with COVID, that's a very real problem.

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Wait. So I take ivermectin prophylactically, haven't gotten covid, haven't passed it to anyone, and somehow I'm the problem??

Meanwhile, the miracle vaccine comes out, millions take it, and yet this massive new wave of cases and deaths happen, vaccinated and unvaccinated, and I'm the problem?

Joe Rogan is the problem because he got covid and kicked it's ass in about a day without the vaccine, but with easily available therapeutics?

Clown world.

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Of course 90% at least of the "massive new wave of deaths " are unvaccinated, and even the ones that are have significant comorbidities.

And if I took sheep intestine medicine around the time I recovered from covid, and shouted to the world that it can replace vaccines, yes thats ****ing idiotic and reckless.

Clown world.

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When you blatantly lie about ivermectin, you are part of the problem. Ivermectin is a ssafe medicine for HUMANS and animals. It has anti-viral properties and kicks covid's ass when taken properly. You lie about it so easily, you might be a member of the media or the CDC.

You probably know these facts about ivermectin already, yet you still choose to lie and call it sheep medicine. That's why you and Fauci and all the other proven liars are not trustted by many many people.

Ivermectin works against covid. Millions of people have used it successfully. The vaccinated in Israel and UK probably wish they'd gotten on an ivermectin protocol like me. If they're still alive.

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Name a single respected study with sound statistics that prove Ivermectin work. Nothing in your link, https://covid19criticalcare.com/ actually shows a study directly comparing Ivermectin benefits to covid with any standard statistical procedures, control groups, independent variable consistency, etc

Oh and don't bother posting the worthless Peru study with zero statistical consistency, especially since they stopped promoting Ivermectin a long time ago, nor any of the fake Johns Hopkins data thats been laughed out of here.

Millions of people also ate jelly beans and survived covid, feel free to spread that on twitter since nobody gives a **** about science out there.

And in the meanwhile, thousands and thousands are taking alternate drugs thinking its a good as the vaccine and are drowning to death with low 02 levels. Jesus Christ.

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This is such bull*****

Respected study? Respected by whom? The lying CDC? The lying Dr. Fauci? The lying WHO?

That website you're so flippant about is made up of tbousands of doctors and nurses who fight covid daily, and they do it with ivermectin. Some doctors report that of the patients that get ivermectin in the first week of contracting covid, NONE have died. Sorry that's not your amazing double-blind criteria, but 100% survival of covid for any doctor is what we want, and what we should applaud. And they're doing it using Ivermectin as early as possible.

Here's the latest from India, which has largely been unreported because Big Pharma needs more billions of vaccine money.

https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/indias-ivermectin-blackout---part-v-the-secret-revealed/article_9a37d9a8-1fb2-11ec-a94b-47343582647b.html

There are countless studies and anecdotal stories, many from Texags people, that show that IVERMECTIN WORKS AGAINST COVID.

Keep taking your booster if you want, I'll stick with my Ivermectin.

For anyone truly curious about the truth of ivermectin, take the time to check out the FLCCC website. There's tons of studies, tons of Dr. testimonials, tons of real scientists talking about real science. They have nothing personally to gain from this, and in fact some are risking their careers going against the powers that be. They just want to help people survive covid.

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For the 3rd time, you can't list a single peer reviewed study with any kind of statistical principles eh? Even that fake news India site lists no papers.

Complains about BIG PHARMA when you yourself are shilling for Ivermectin, made by Merck, a 200 billion dollar company. Hilarious.

Example 9999 folks, of how fake conspiracy theories spread on twitter. The total lack of science and math, but with tons of hypocrisy.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/1VNcMVzwgdU2gXdbw7yqCL?si=m7qjGDAnRBy6qUjygLJnZQ



https://open.spotify.com/episode/7uVXKgE6eLJKMXkETwcw0D?si=_JrR-ay5TlWoddUoiN1TyA


For anyone interested in understanding why people are hesitant or outright against getting the vaccine - I would highly recommend watching these two JRE podcasts in their entirety.

ETA: both of these podcasts are full of the clinical support, data, meta-analysis discussion, background, etc. It is terrifying and alarming what is happening in our world right now. These discussions are quite illuminating

CondensedFoggyAggie is spreading a lot of misinformation.

At the very least admit the MSM lied about Joe Rogan taking horse dewormer to present yourself somewhat as an objective observer.

At the very least address ea1060 posts about ivermection helping his long haul symptoms.

Avoiding both topics like the plague. At least Gordo finally addressed it.

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CondensedFoggyAggie is spreading a lot of misinformation.

At the very least admit the MSM lied about Joe Rogan taking horse dewormer to present yourself somewhat as an objective observer.

At the very least address ea1060 posts about ivermection helping his long haul symptoms.

Avoiding both topics like the plague. At least Gordo finally addressed it.

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Yes, CNN should have left it at Ivermectin even if it is used in many cases as horse dewormer. News agencies must be neutral above all.

And I don't have a problem with Ivermectin helping people. In fact, I HOPE it helps, and am glad ea1060 is using it effectively.

However, what I do object against is claiming its better than the vaccines, especially without a credible study. We can't just use anecdotal evidence. And as we can see, someone posted here that his friends died even after using Ivermectin.

Fair. Snowdog is being ridiculous with his claims on that.

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Yes, CNN should have left it at Ivermectin even if it is used in many cases as horse dewormer. News agencies must be neutral above all.

And I don't have a problem with Ivermectin helping people. In fact, I HOPE it helps, and am glad ea1060 is using it effectively.

However, what I do object against is claiming its better than the vaccines, especially without a credible study. We can't just use anecdotal evidence. And as we can see, someone posted here that his friends died even after using Ivermectin.

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A credible study??? You want to wait on a credible study? Everywhere Ivermectin has been used to treat Covid as a standard of care we have seen infections, severity, hospitalizations, and deaths drop SIGNIFICANTLY! Look at India, S. America, Mexico, and more.

You say we can't use anecdotal evidence and then you talk about someone who had a friend die even after using ivermectin as if that means anything. Well I know a healthy 33 year old who died from a stroke the day after getting her second shot.

What I object to is that there are literally dozens and dozens and dozens of studies on ivermectin being used in HUMANS over several decades that show an unbelievably amazing safety profile with almost zero downside or risk to humans. Despite its Nobel Prize winning history because of its anti-parasitic and anti-viral effectiveness - the US government (Fauci, CDC, FDA, WHO, etc) and the Media continue to do everything possible to suppress or mislead the conversation on Ivermectin. It's criminal.

YouTube, Twitter, and big tech are banning any videos or information that are favorable to ivermectin. We are living in a world where the discussion and debate is not even being allowed to happen!

If THEY were actually following the science, or were actually trying to save every life possible, then Ivermectin would be a potential therapeutic they would be embracing and not avoiding at all cost. Ivermectin does no harm and. at least where it has been tried, it appears to offer very significant benefit to people with Covid and long Covid.

Where ivermectin has been used in large populations we have seen massive improvements across the board as it relates to COVID. Even if it's not Ivermectin that is what is actually helping people we know Ivermectin is not hurting anyone. There is literally nothing to lose trying ivermectin- except billions of dollars to pharmaceutical companies, lobbyists, and politicians.

Oh - and the ability to control the masses.

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Yes, CNN should have left it at Ivermectin even if it is used in many cases as horse dewormer. News agencies must be neutral above all.

And I don't have a problem with Ivermectin helping people. In fact, I HOPE it helps, and am glad ea1060 is using it effectively.

However, what I do object against is claiming its better than the vaccines, especially without a credible study. We can't just use anecdotal evidence. And as we can see, someone posted here that his friends died even after using Ivermectin.

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A credible study??? You want to wait on a credible study? Everywhere Ivermectin has been used to treat Covid as a standard of care we have seen infections, severity, hospitalizations, and deaths drop SIGNIFICANTLY! Look at India, S. America, Mexico, and more.

You say we can't use anecdotal evidence and then you talk about someone who had a friend die even after using ivermectin as if that means anything. Well I know a healthy 33 year old who died from a stroke the day after getting her second shot.

What I object to is that there are literally dozens and dozens and dozens of studies on ivermectin being used in HUMANS over several decades that show an unbelievably amazing safety profile with almost zero downside or risk to humans. Despite its Nobel Prize winning history because of its anti-parasitic and anti-viral effectiveness - the US government (Fauci, CDC, FDA, WHO, etc) and the Media continue to do everything possible to suppress or mislead the conversation on Ivermectin. It's criminal.

YouTube, Twitter, and big tech are banning any videos or information that are favorable to ivermectin. We are living in a world where the discussion and debate is not even being allowed to happen!

If THEY were actually following the science, or were actually trying to save every life possible, then Ivermectin would be a potential therapeutic they would be embracing and not avoiding at all cost. Ivermectin does no harm and. at least where it has been tried, it appears to offer very significant benefit to people with Covid and long Covid.

Where ivermectin has been used in large populations we have seen massive improvements across the board as it relates to COVID. Even if it's not Ivermectin that is what is actually helping people we know Ivermectin is not hurting anyone. There is literally nothing to lose trying ivermectin- except billions of dollars to pharmaceutical companies, lobbyists, and politicians.

Oh - and the ability to control the masses.

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This is an awesome post. Thanks.

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Fair. Snowdog is being ridiculous with his claims on that.

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I make no claims that have not been made by hundreds of doctors and nurses. I don't just blindly push ivermectin for no reason. I've read and watched TONS of testimonials by those doctors and nurses and patients. A doctor testified last year before Congress that this didn't have to be a pandemic. Ivermectin was the cure. His testimony, a DOCTOR'S testimony, was banned from youtube and twitter.

Instead of the media being happy that Joe Rogan got better almost immediately with therapeutics, and showing some curiosity about why his therapeutics worked so well, they immediately shamed him for taking "horse de-wormer".

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CondensedFoggyAggie said:

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Yes, CNN should have left it at Ivermectin even if it is used in many cases as horse dewormer. News agencies must be neutral above all.

And I don't have a problem with Ivermectin helping people. In fact, I HOPE it helps, and am glad ea1060 is using it effectively.

However, what I do object against is claiming its better than the vaccines, especially without a credible study. We can't just use anecdotal evidence. And as we can see, someone posted here that his friends died even after using Ivermectin.

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A credible study??? You want to wait on a credible study? Everywhere Ivermectin has been used to treat Covid as a standard of care we have seen infections, severity, hospitalizations, and deaths drop SIGNIFICANTLY! Look at India, S. America, Mexico, and more.

You say we can't use anecdotal evidence and then you talk about someone who had a friend die even after using ivermectin as if that means anything. Well I know a healthy 33 year old who died from a stroke the day after getting her second shot.

What I object to is that there are literally dozens and dozens and dozens of studies on ivermectin being used in HUMANS over several decades that show an unbelievably amazing safety profile with almost zero downside or risk to humans. Despite its Nobel Prize winning history because of its anti-parasitic and anti-viral effectiveness - the US government (Fauci, CDC, FDA, WHO, etc) and the Media continue to do everything possible to suppress or mislead the conversation on Ivermectin. It's criminal.

YouTube, Twitter, and big tech are banning any videos or information that are favorable to ivermectin. We are living in a world where the discussion and debate is not even being allowed to happen!

If THEY were actually following the science, or were actually trying to save every life possible, then Ivermectin would be a potential therapeutic they would be embracing and not avoiding at all cost. Ivermectin does no harm and. at least where it has been tried, it appears to offer very significant benefit to people with Covid and long Covid.

Where ivermectin has been used in large populations we have seen massive improvements across the board as it relates to COVID. Even if it's not Ivermectin that is what is actually helping people we know Ivermectin is not hurting anyone. There is literally nothing to lose trying ivermectin- except billions of dollars to pharmaceutical companies, lobbyists, and politicians.

Oh - and the ability to control the masses.

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You're absolutely wrong.

India removed Ivermectin from its covid treatment guidelines after finding it useless.

• https://www.indiatoday.in/coronavirus-outbreak/story/why-hcq-ivermectin-dropped-india-covid-treatment-protocol-1857306-2021-09-26

Peru removed Ivermectin from its guidelines, Brazil announced there is no evidence that Ivermectin helps.

• https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/24/ivermectin-covid-peru-misinformation

Multiple papers talking about Ivermectins benefits retracted after the underlying data was found to be fake.

• https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/surgisphere-sows-confusion-about-another-unproven-covid19-drug-67635

EU repeatedly saying Ivermectin has not shown to be beneficial

• https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-advises-against-use-ivermectin-prevention-treatment-covid-19-outside-randomised-clinical-trials

Everything else you said is personal opinion, and has zero data to back it up. Ivermectin MAY help, but there is zero evidence, and it is NOT a vaccine substitute.

Meanwhile, the 'ivermectin can cure covid' narrative has murdered countless Americans because they believe they have a vaccine alternative.

For the 10th time in this thread, provide actual peer reviewed, journal published papers, or don't bother to respond.

Mods are overworked.

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From my own personal situation with long haul covid symptoms and the vaccine. The vaccine made my long haul symptoms 10 times worse, with daily dizzy spells and covid symptoms. Whenever I take Ivermectin, I feel better within 30 minutes. Its literally the only medicine Ive taken that completely relieves my symptoms.

I will vouch for ivermectin over the vaccine any day of the week.

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Dr. Mark Ghalili, in California, has been treating people both with long haul covid and vaccine injury….more vaccine injury though. He's worth a follow on Instagram. Not sure what treatment costs but the success he is having is astounding. It might be worth reaching out to his office.

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Instagram is where I go for all medical advice.

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I thought it was cool to watch two personalities who clearly disagree with each other manage to have a civil disagreement and discuss it for 3 hours.

I thought it was telling that Gupta mentioned his own echo chamber in terms of audience early in the pod when discussing why he came on.

When you see both sides arguing something like this you realize the right answer generally lies somewhere in the middle.

While not team Ivermectin personally I thought it was interesting when they discussed CNN mocking Rogan for taking horse de-wormer when he was taking a prescribed, human dose of the drug vs. say something he got at Tractor Supply. Clearly agenda driven on CNN's part and would have liked to see that discussion anchor more on the echo chamber aspect of playing up to that networks' mob vs. playing to another network's mob.

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Every single time Ive told someone Ive taken Ivermectin to treat my covid long haul symptoms, they always reply with "that horse dewormer" or "horse tranquilizer." Where do you think they got the idea that it was a horse dewormer only? The freaking media.

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This happened to me the other day. He said, "you took a horse dewormer?" I had to correct him and tell him that my doctor prescribed me Ivermectin.

It's absolutely nuts that this has become the narrative.

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Horse dewormer is right up there with fear porn, theater, and face diaper as far as terms that idiot extremists on both ends of the spectrum use.

Citing some cherry picked news articles and opinion pieces from media outlets is not convincing and does nothing to prove me wrong.

What I said is that Ivermectin has a great safety protocol in humans with little to no downside. Where ivermectin has been used in mass we have seen very positive drops in Covid numbers. The fact that it appears to help - and it certainly doesn't hurt when dosed properly - it is quite suspicious that the Covid Gestapo and media have done everything possible to discredit Ivermectin and push more lucrative therapeutics.

Ivermectin is generic. There is NO profit to be made on Ivermectin anymore because it has been used in humans for so long that we are beyond its parent. Trials and studies are expensive to conduct and so I understand big pharma not undertaking an ivermectin study at this point. What I don't understand is why our government, Fauci, the FDA, etc that are supported through our taxes and who have thrown countless money at big pharma, foreign countries, unemployment benefits, business impacted, etc, etc, etc - have REFUSED to even give ivermectin a chance?

Instead we've seen the opposite. We've seen sensorship and removal of information that might not be in full agreement with the approved message. We've seen a coordinated push to confuse the public and scare people into thinking the worst of anything not inside their box (HCQ, Ivermectin as horse dewormer, etc). CNN and Joe Rogan illustrates this perfectly.

YouTube and Twitter deplatformed and silenced many people over the past year who were simply engaging in the discussion and offering a counter viewpoint in real time. These people backed up their views with data or at least were asking legitimate questions. Fast forward to today and the very things they were silenced for saying because of conspiracy theory's we now know were correct. Example - Wuhan lab leak.

For anyone actually getting sick from using veterinary horse paste it is the fault of the MEDIA - not the doctors prescribing and recommending it.

I have never said that ivermectin is a replacement for the vaccine. Being that I contracted Covid from a fully vaccinated person and now have strong natural immunity, there is zero chance I will get the shot. My children will also not be vaccinated under any circumstance.

I make no apology.

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Citing some cherry picked news articles and opinion pieces from media outlets is not convincing and does nothing to prove me wrong.

What I said is that Ivermectin has a great safety protocol in humans with little to no downside. Where ivermectin has been used in mass we have seen very positive drops in Covid numbers. The fact that it appears to help - and it certainly doesn't hurt when dosed properly - it is quite suspicious that the Covid Gestapo and media have done everything possible to discredit Ivermectin and push more lucrative therapeutics.

Ivermectin is generic. There is NO profit to be made on Ivermectin anymore because it has been used in humans for so long that we are beyond its parent. Trials and studies are expensive to conduct and so I understand big pharma not undertaking an ivermectin study at this point. What I don't understand is why our government, Fauci, the FDA, etc that are supported through our taxes and who have thrown countless money at big pharma, foreign countries, unemployment benefits, business impacted, etc, etc, etc - have REFUSED to even give ivermectin a chance?

Instead we've seen the opposite. We've seen sensorship and removal of information that might not be in full agreement with the approved message. We've seen a coordinated push to confuse the public and scare people into thinking the worst of anything not inside their box (HCQ, Ivermectin as horse dewormer, etc). CNN and Joe Rogan illustrates this perfectly.

YouTube and Twitter deplatformed and silenced many people over the past year who were simply engaging in the discussion and offering a counter viewpoint in real time. These people backed up their views with data or at least were asking legitimate questions. Fast forward to today and the very things they were silenced for saying because of conspiracy theory's we now know were correct. Example - Wuhan lab leak.

For anyone actually getting sick from using veterinary horse paste it is the fault of the MEDIA - not the doctors prescribing and recommending it.

I have never said that ivermectin is a replacement for the vaccine. Being that I contracted Covid from a fully vaccinated person and now have strong natural immunity, there is zero chance I will get the shot. My children will also not be vaccinated under any circumstance.

I make no apology.

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Again, all the countries you've claimed Ivermectin helped, has REMOVED it from their covid treatment protocols, announcing that it had no effect.

Not sure why you're dying on this ridiculous hill, but hey it's a free country.

Anyway, I won't bother responding if you just repeat the same lies, so let's not waste each others time, and have a great day!

I saw my PCP last week and his response to Ivermectin was along the lines of "It's a helpful drug for certain things and i feel confident saying that it would be safe to take if you get COVID-19. It's been around forever and we have a ton of data on it due to its use as an anti parasitic. That said, it may or may not be helpful for covid but it's not going to hurt anything if you want to give it a try."

I'm in the camp of why the hell not.

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Citing some cherry picked news articles and opinion pieces from media outlets is not convincing and does nothing to prove me wrong.

What I said is that Ivermectin has a great safety protocol in humans with little to no downside. Where ivermectin has been used in mass we have seen very positive drops in Covid numbers. The fact that it appears to help - and it certainly doesn't hurt when dosed properly - it is quite suspicious that the Covid Gestapo and media have done everything possible to discredit Ivermectin and push more lucrative therapeutics.

Ivermectin is generic. There is NO profit to be made on Ivermectin anymore because it has been used in humans for so long that we are beyond its parent. Trials and studies are expensive to conduct and so I understand big pharma not undertaking an ivermectin study at this point. What I don't understand is why our government, Fauci, the FDA, etc that are supported through our taxes and who have thrown countless money at big pharma, foreign countries, unemployment benefits, business impacted, etc, etc, etc - have REFUSED to even give ivermectin a chance?

Instead we've seen the opposite. We've seen sensorship and removal of information that might not be in full agreement with the approved message. We've seen a coordinated push to confuse the public and scare people into thinking the worst of anything not inside their box (HCQ, Ivermectin as horse dewormer, etc). CNN and Joe Rogan illustrates this perfectly.

YouTube and Twitter deplatformed and silenced many people over the past year who were simply engaging in the discussion and offering a counter viewpoint in real time. These people backed up their views with data or at least were asking legitimate questions. Fast forward to today and the very things they were silenced for saying because of conspiracy theory's we now know were correct. Example - Wuhan lab leak.

For anyone actually getting sick from using veterinary horse paste it is the fault of the MEDIA - not the doctors prescribing and recommending it.

I have never said that ivermectin is a replacement for the vaccine. Being that I contracted Covid from a fully vaccinated person and now have strong natural immunity, there is zero chance I will get the shot. My children will also not be vaccinated under any circumstance.

I make no apology.

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This. I dont understand the media vendetta against Ivermectin. My doctor was more than willing to prescribe me a Z Pak, Steroid Pak, and Doxycycline to treat my covid long haul symptoms, even though theres little evidence that it works for covid long haulers. But getting her to prescribe me ivermectin was like asking her to give me codeine cough syrup or something lol, it was met with a hell no.

Ivermectin certainly wont hurt someone if they take proper doses, and there seems to be some evidence that it helps reduce hospitalizations and severe covid cases. So why dont doctors try prescribing it to every patient that gets covid, especially the ones with underlying health issues, instead of telling them go home, take a tylenol, and call if they have trouble breathing.

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Franklins said:

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Citing some cherry picked news articles and opinion pieces from media outlets is not convincing and does nothing to prove me wrong.

What I said is that Ivermectin has a great safety protocol in humans with little to no downside. Where ivermectin has been used in mass we have seen very positive drops in Covid numbers. The fact that it appears to help - and it certainly doesn't hurt when dosed properly - it is quite suspicious that the Covid Gestapo and media have done everything possible to discredit Ivermectin and push more lucrative therapeutics.

Ivermectin is generic. There is NO profit to be made on Ivermectin anymore because it has been used in humans for so long that we are beyond its parent. Trials and studies are expensive to conduct and so I understand big pharma not undertaking an ivermectin study at this point. What I don't understand is why our government, Fauci, the FDA, etc that are supported through our taxes and who have thrown countless money at big pharma, foreign countries, unemployment benefits, business impacted, etc, etc, etc - have REFUSED to even give ivermectin a chance?

Instead we've seen the opposite. We've seen sensorship and removal of information that might not be in full agreement with the approved message. We've seen a coordinated push to confuse the public and scare people into thinking the worst of anything not inside their box (HCQ, Ivermectin as horse dewormer, etc). CNN and Joe Rogan illustrates this perfectly.

YouTube and Twitter deplatformed and silenced many people over the past year who were simply engaging in the discussion and offering a counter viewpoint in real time. These people backed up their views with data or at least were asking legitimate questions. Fast forward to today and the very things they were silenced for saying because of conspiracy theory's we now know were correct. Example - Wuhan lab leak.

For anyone actually getting sick from using veterinary horse paste it is the fault of the MEDIA - not the doctors prescribing and recommending it.

I have never said that ivermectin is a replacement for the vaccine. Being that I contracted Covid from a fully vaccinated person and now have strong natural immunity, there is zero chance I will get the shot. My children will also not be vaccinated under any circumstance.

I make no apology.

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Again, all the countries you've claimed Ivermectin helped, has REMOVED it from their covid treatment protocols, announcing that it had no effect.

Not sure why you're dying on this ridiculous hill, but hey it's a free country.

Anyway, I won't bother responding if you just repeat the same lies, so let's not waste each others time, and have a great day!

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As far as I understand, India took it out, their cases went up and so they put it back in and the cases went down again.

01agtx said:

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CondensedFoggyAggie said:

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Franklins said:

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Citing some cherry picked news articles and opinion pieces from media outlets is not convincing and does nothing to prove me wrong.

What I said is that Ivermectin has a great safety protocol in humans with little to no downside. Where ivermectin has been used in mass we have seen very positive drops in Covid numbers. The fact that it appears to help - and it certainly doesn't hurt when dosed properly - it is quite suspicious that the Covid Gestapo and media have done everything possible to discredit Ivermectin and push more lucrative therapeutics.

Ivermectin is generic. There is NO profit to be made on Ivermectin anymore because it has been used in humans for so long that we are beyond its parent. Trials and studies are expensive to conduct and so I understand big pharma not undertaking an ivermectin study at this point. What I don't understand is why our government, Fauci, the FDA, etc that are supported through our taxes and who have thrown countless money at big pharma, foreign countries, unemployment benefits, business impacted, etc, etc, etc - have REFUSED to even give ivermectin a chance?

Instead we've seen the opposite. We've seen sensorship and removal of information that might not be in full agreement with the approved message. We've seen a coordinated push to confuse the public and scare people into thinking the worst of anything not inside their box (HCQ, Ivermectin as horse dewormer, etc). CNN and Joe Rogan illustrates this perfectly.

YouTube and Twitter deplatformed and silenced many people over the past year who were simply engaging in the discussion and offering a counter viewpoint in real time. These people backed up their views with data or at least were asking legitimate questions. Fast forward to today and the very things they were silenced for saying because of conspiracy theory's we now know were correct. Example - Wuhan lab leak.

For anyone actually getting sick from using veterinary horse paste it is the fault of the MEDIA - not the doctors prescribing and recommending it.

I have never said that ivermectin is a replacement for the vaccine. Being that I contracted Covid from a fully vaccinated person and now have strong natural immunity, there is zero chance I will get the shot. My children will also not be vaccinated under any circumstance.

I make no apology.

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Again, all the countries you've claimed Ivermectin helped, has REMOVED it from their covid treatment protocols, announcing that it had no effect.

Not sure why you're dying on this ridiculous hill, but hey it's a free country.

Anyway, I won't bother responding if you just repeat the same lies, so let's not waste each others time, and have a great day!

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As far as I understand, India took it out, their cases went up and so they put it back in and the cases went down again.

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India removed HCQ and Ivermectin from its covid protocol guidelines barely a month ago. They have not reinstated it.


https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/hcq-another-drug-dropped-from-covid-treatment-protocol/articleshow/86469107.cms

https://science.thewire.in/health/icmr-revises-covid-treatment-guidelines-removes-ivermectin-hydroxychloroquine/

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/icmr-removes-ivermectin-hcq-from-revised-guidelines-on-covid-19-treatment-101632461755113.html

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I saw my PCP last week and his response to Ivermectin was along the lines of "It's a helpful drug for certain things and i feel confident saying that it would be safe to take if you get COVID-19. It's been around forever and we have a ton of data on it due to its use as an anti parasitic. That said, it may or may not be helpful for covid but it's not going to hurt anything if you want to give it a try."

I'm in the camp of why the hell not.

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This seems like a very reasonable take by your doctor. I wish more doctors felt like this. Most doctors wont prescribe ivermectin if you have covid, and even if they did, good luck trying to find a pharmacy to fill it for you.

It may or may not work, but it certainly wont hurt you, so why not give it a try.

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India removed HCQ and Ivermectin from its covid protocol guidelines barely a month ago. They have not reinstated it.

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So India removed ivermectin use barely a month ago and you are claiming ivermectin was clearly without benefit?? You cite a couple opinion pieces from propaganda media and somehow we are the ones spouting lies?

Like I said - Ivermectin is not hurting anyone and it appears to be helping MANY. Yet if you only listen to Fauci, CNN, and the media you would think ivermectin is only given to horses and livestock. They are ignoring the Widespread use of Ivermectin in humans over decades to push their disinformation.

And you have the nerve to say we are the ones pushing lies? Pathetic.

Franklins said:

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CondensedFoggyAggie said:

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India removed HCQ and Ivermectin from its covid protocol guidelines barely a month ago. They have not reinstated it.

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So India removed ivermectin use barely a month ago and you are claiming ivermectin was clearly without benefit?? You cite a couple opinion pieces from propaganda media and somehow we are the ones spouting lies?

Like I said - Ivermectin is not hurting anyone and it appears to be helping MANY. Yet if you only listen to Fauci, CNN, and the media you would think ivermectin is only given to horses and livestock. They are ignoring the Widespread use of Ivermectin in humans over decades to push their disinformation.

And you have the nerve to say we are the ones pushing lies? Pathetic.

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You are correct. India certainty didn't remove it for lack of efficacy. Uttar Pradesh, an Indian state of 210 million passed out IVM as part of their home kits starting in September 2020 and it worked so well it was adopted by the entire country in the spring of 2021.

Out of curiosity, why did India remove it if not for lack of efficacy?

And how does widespread adoption by Indian government agencies prove its efficacy? Could other reasons be in play? Do you believe that widespread adoption of the vaccines by other governments prove their efficacy?

Finally, if it was in widespread use in India, why did India experience such a meteoric climb in cases?