fightingfarmer09 said:

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GeographyAg said:

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fightingfarmer09 said:

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I picked the most obvious vaccinations that common people have been using as benchmarks for the last 2 years.

The most prominent vaccination in daily life is the least effective, perhaps that is why people question the current strategy.

But the two represent the question well.

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I'm sorry I wasn't clear.

I meant you picked the least effective COVID Vaccine available. It's the one most likely to still allow a breakthrough infection, and then you seem surprised that you got Covid. That's what I find interesting.

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I edited to address this confusion.

Took the vaccine in Feb. I think it was by far the best choice considering my reaction to J&J I would not have taken a double dose if I had an initial reaction.

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fightingfarmer09 said:

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GeographyAg said:

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fightingfarmer09 said:

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I picked the most obvious vaccinations that common people have been using as benchmarks for the last 2 years.

The most prominent vaccination in daily life is the least effective, perhaps that is why people question the current strategy.

But the two represent the question well.

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I'm sorry I wasn't clear.

I meant you picked the least effective COVID Vaccine available. It's the one most likely to still allow a breakthrough infection, and then you seem surprised that you got Covid. That's what I find interesting.

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I edited to address this confusion.

Took the vaccine in Feb/March. We knew breakthroughs were possible, but we're pitched the idea it was the end for us. I think it was by far the best choice considering my reaction to J&J I would not have taken a double dose if I had an initial reaction.

I still recommend the J&J to everyone since the others require 2 shots and still provide the same protection.

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GeographyAg said:

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fightingfarmer09 said:

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I picked the most obvious vaccinations that common people have been using as benchmarks for the last 2 years.

The most prominent vaccination in daily life is the least effective, perhaps that is why people question the current strategy.

But the two represent the question well.

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I'm sorry I wasn't clear.

I meant you picked the least effective COVID Vaccine available. It's the one most likely to still allow a breakthrough infection, and then you seem surprised that you got Covid. That's what I find interesting.

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Dad said:

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GeographyAg said:

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fightingfarmer09 said:

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I picked the most obvious vaccinations that common people have been using as benchmarks for the last 2 years.

The most prominent vaccination in daily life is the least effective, perhaps that is why people question the current strategy.

But the two represent the question well.

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I'm sorry I wasn't clear.

I meant you picked the least effective COVID Vaccine available. It's the one most likely to still allow a breakthrough infection, and then you seem surprised that you got Covid. That's what I find interesting.

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Can we really call it a breakthrough infection when such a huge number of vaccinated people are getting sick?

It seems like this thing should be marketed as something that reduces the chance of dying or being hospitalized from Covid but doesn't do much to stop you from getting it.

I had Moderna and I've been exposed multiple times and have not gotten sick but I wonder if I did get sick and just had very mild symptoms. I'm going to do that antibody trial posted on this board and see whether I test positive for actual Covid on it.

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Lol at ZeroHedge. Come on now. . .

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Diet Cokehead said:

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Diyala Nick said:

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No, because Covid has animal reservoirs which will allow it to continue to mutate. Eventually, enough humans will get the multitude of variants and our immune systems will recognize it and it will be come a common cold.

That's the end game even though the Fauci's and Walensky's won't tell you the truth.

Assuming you are healthy, you want to be infected and develop natural immunity.

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Totally false.

The vaccines are excellent vaccines. There are zero vaccines in existence for any disease where antibodies don't want over time (same is true for antibodies from an infection). If your antibodies just kept on building an building with no drop off, you would be in serious trouble as a human being.

The only thing better than the existing vaccines wouldbe a pan corona virus vaccine, that is generally effective against any manifestation of a corona virus (covid, oc43, variations of both, future coronas, etc). This is currently being researched, as are pan influenza vaccines.

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I'll go ahead and believe what my doctor told me which is what i posted above. Covid cannot be vaccinated out of existence. It will become an endemic minor cold eventually (which is what it is for the majority of us already).

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Diyala Nick said:

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Diet Cokehead said:

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Diyala Nick said:

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Diet Cokehead said:

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No, because Covid has animal reservoirs which will allow it to continue to mutate. Eventually, enough humans will get the multitude of variants and our immune systems will recognize it and it will be come a common cold.

That's the end game even though the Fauci's and Walensky's won't tell you the truth.

Assuming you are healthy, you want to be infected and develop natural immunity.

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Totally false.

The vaccines are excellent vaccines. There are zero vaccines in existence for any disease where antibodies don't want over time (same is true for antibodies from an infection). If your antibodies just kept on building an building with no drop off, you would be in serious trouble as a human being.

The only thing better than the existing vaccines wouldbe a pan corona virus vaccine, that is generally effective against any manifestation of a corona virus (covid, oc43, variations of both, future coronas, etc). This is currently being researched, as are pan influenza vaccines.

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I'll go ahead and believe what my doctor told me which is what i posted above. Covid cannot be vaccinated out of existence. It will become an endemic minor cold eventually (which is what it is for the majority of us already).

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Your doctor told you that healthy people should go ahead and get infected? What the hell kind of doctor is this?

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FlyRod said:

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The Covid vaccines are quite literally among the most effective vaccines developed in human history. The attempts to disinform against them continue to be aggressive and relentless, but ultimately these efforts will fail in the face of stubborn facts.

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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I argue we value life too much in many respects. We've lost perspective and forgotten there are so many things worse than death.

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Diyala Nick said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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I argue we value life too much in many respects. We've lost perspective and forgotten there are so many things worse than death.

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I don't disagree with your overall point, but I much prefer living in a modern society that "over values" life than most societies in human history - where most life was seen as expendable.

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Breakthrough cases of polio—including deaths—were common during early polio vaccination.

What kept us safe was not perfect vaccine efficacy. It was that Americans quickly & massively stepped up to get the imperfect vaccine, quashing transmission.

From: https://t.co/djYf0JmWnQ pic.twitter.com/PiGRHYcct6

— Michael Clemens (@m_clem) September 28, 2021

redsquirrelAG said:

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Comparing Polio and Covid.

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redsquirrelAG said:

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Comparing Polio and Covid.

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