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18 months ago a vaccine mandate would have been considered silly.

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If you were paying attention 18 months ago it wasn't.

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How about 13 months ago?

[url] https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/policy/healthcare/512542-fauci-says-he-does-not-see-us-mandating-covid-19-vaccination-for-general%3famp[/url]

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"I don't think you'll ever see a mandating of vaccine particularly for the general public

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"Fear the loss of freedom, more than the disease!" Robert Kennedy, Jr.

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wow quoting Robert Kennedy Jr

coolerguy12 said:

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Mathguy64 said:

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coolerguy12 said:

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18 months ago a vaccine mandate would have been considered silly.

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If you were paying attention 18 months ago it wasn't.

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How about 13 months ago?

[url] https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/policy/healthcare/512542-fauci-says-he-does-not-see-us-mandating-covid-19-vaccination-for-general%3famp[/url]

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The official narrative is that it's not a government mandate if it's an OSHA requirement on businesses or a requirement to fly or a requirement to enter the country or a requirement on the absolutely massive federal workforce and contractors, etc.

The general public of like 5 million that doesn't apply to the above is free to make their own choices. This is a free country, damn it!

Stop wrapping everything up in politics and look at the public health issue. I get that's difficult because this whole mess has been corrupted by politics. And politics on both sides. It's a health care issue. That's all it is.

If there were a vaccine like the smallpox vaccine that would wipe COVID off the face of the planet forever wouldn't that be a good thing? And wouldn't mandating it be a good thing? Because that's what happened with smallpox. A terrible horrible killer disease got wiped off the planet forever because everyone got inoculated. We are this close to doing the same for polio. Wild polio exists in 4 countries and in pockets there. Volunteers go there all the time to vaccinate kids to try and finish the job. If they can no kid will ever have to wear a brace or get put in an iron lung ever again.

So here's the big question. If there were a 100% cure vaccine like that for COVID and it would let us get a reset and get rid of this, shouldn't everyone want it gone? Would you be against mandating that? Because every smallpox holdout or polio holdout would have kept those diseases alive.

Sometimes we give back our individual rights for the greater good because it's the right thing to do.

COVID is not polio nor smallpox. Acting like the response to COVID should be comparable to much worse pathogens is ridiculous. Do you treat the flu like you treat Ebola?

The hospitals were never overrun, and there is not an ounce of evidence that 6 foot social distancing or masks had a damn thing to do with it. Everybody was on board for two weeks to slow the spread when we thought that it would help the hospitals. Problem is that people like you have turned it into 2 years to cure death (which will never happen). In fact, more people are dying of other causes like cancer now because we've been brainwashed to think big bad COVID is the only dangerous thing in the world, when in reality it's a fairly virulent flu that preys on at risk population such as the elderly, obese, and immunocompromised.

I will not get the vaccine because I already recovered from COVID. People like you won't recognize natural immunity as relevant, but it is. I don't need a vaccine, and I will not be subjected to something I don't need to retain a job or be allowed to be a part of society. If you want to get your kids a vaccine they don't need when they're at statistically greater risk from the flu, go ahead. But don't act like it makes you morally superior to people that disagree. Anybody that wants a vaccine can get one and protect themselves. I have no obligation to get a vaccine when they can protect themselves.

Prior to the election, you had the Democrats claiming a vaccine developed under Trump couldn't be trusted. Now they wish to mandate that vaccine to retain your basic civil liberties. This is not about public health. It's about the usurpation of power. Let people live as they please. Protect yourself and move on with your life. You don't get to make my health choices for me.

No, it wouldn't be a good thing. Because COVID-19 isn't smallpox. It's not a matter of politics, it's a matter of individual liberty. That should reign supreme unless there is a very, very compelling reason to set it aside.

If this virus was even a tenth as deadly as smallpox then it might be time to set individual liberty aside. But a virus that nearly exclusively affects the very old and infirm is not worth setting aside your individual liberty.

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It's a health care issue. That's all it is.

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Is that why the border is wide open?
Is that why public figures get to make rules for their subjects and then not follow them?
Is that why we ignore natural immunity?

It is 100% about control and not letting a good crisis go to waste. You can scream to not make it political till the cows come home but no one is listening.

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So here's the big question. If there were a 100% cure vaccine like that for COVID and it would let us get a reset and get rid of this, shouldn't everyone want it gone? Would you be against mandating that?

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Yes I would 100% be against mandating that. And to pretend that the "vaccine" is even close to what you have portrayed is willful deceit or tragic ignorance.

Plus it ignores the fact that there are already dozens of strains that can defeat the original vaccine. It's not curing covid, it's here to stay.

Thanks China.

coolerguy12 said:

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Same. It's to the point that I don't even care about the vaccine, it's a matter of principle.

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Exactly how I feel

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I'm curious. For those willing to refuse a vaccine if your employer mandates it, you are effectively quitting your job arent you?

If you have a family to support (spouse, kid(s)), possibly a house payment or car payment(s), possibly kids in college and all the other costs of living like food, gas, insurance, etc., how does this work?

I get you have what you see to be your moral choice. Ok. You have made it. All of those things have a price. How does that work?

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Yes, having principles and fighting back against tyranny does come with a price.

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It's a health care issue. That's all it is.

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Is that why the border is wide open?
Is that why public figures get to make rules for their subjects and then not follow them?
Is that why we ignore natural immunity?

It is 100% about control and not letting a good crisis go to waste. You can scream to not make it political till the cows come home but no one is listening.

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So here's the big question. If there were a 100% cure vaccine like that for COVID and it would let us get a reset and get rid of this, shouldn't everyone want it gone? Would you be against mandating that?

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Yes I would 100% be against mandating that. And to pretend that the "vaccine" is even close to what you have portrayed is willful deceit or tragic ignorance.

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I don't understand people that complain about it being a political issue. PUBLIC health administered by the GOVERNMENT is inherently political. Politics determine how we live our lives in a society. This is quite literally the most political topic we've faced in quite some time.

Nvm it's not worth it.

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Duncan Idaho said:

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Great news! Especially for those of us who are about to be forced into the jab.

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So does that mean that you will be willing to get this vaccine if your employer mandates it?
If so, Would you refuse to comply with an employer mandate if this vaccine isn't available?

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Crazy how much people like you care so much about what others do. Or how you can "get them" in some type of "gotcha" attempt online. What is wrong with some of you?

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Not looking for a "gotcha" just trying to understand a mindset that I can't even imagine.

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I can't fathom being TERRIFIED of a virus for going on two years. And celebrating loss of freedoms because it normalizes my unnatural fear.

As I said it's pretty onerous

It isn't about me being terrified of getting covid. It is that 90% of the people I deal with are high risk due to age or weight. It is about having empathy and wanting to protect those around me through the most simple of actions. The same reason I don't dump used motor oil down the drain.

As far as the "loss of freedom" I have had to do a bunch of things to keep a job that i felt were a bigger loss of freedom than this.

on the health front, I've had to get vaccinated for jobs. I've had to have physicals for jobs, I've had to give testimony that I did not and would not use tobacco. I've had give testimony that I did not and would not use alcohol.

On the "autonomy/freedom front" I've had to have ongoing drug tests for jobs (this is the single biggest invasion of sovereignty people give up for jobs), I've had to have ongoing credit checks, I've had to sign morality clauses


With regards to wearing masks, I've had to wear a bunch of stuff at work that annoyed me more. Safety glasses, steel toed boots are both uncomfortable and annoying. Having to buy and care for suits or other specialized clothing for certain clients is effectively a fee levied by my employer to maintain employment.


So no I can't imagine why this one particular vaccine is something people would consider giving up what they feel is an otherwise good job.

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It isn't about me being terrified of getting covid. It is that 90% of the people I deal with are high risk due to age or weight. It is about having empathy and wanting to protect those around me through the most simple of actions. The same reason I don't dump used motor oil down the drain.

As far as the "loss of freedom" I have had to do a bunch of things to keep a job that i felt were a bigger loss of freedom than this.

on the health front, I've had to get vaccinated for jobs. I've had to have physicals for jobs, I've had to give testimony that I did not and would not use tobacco. I've had give testimony that I did not and would not use alcohol.

On the "autonomy/freedom front" I've had to have ongoing drug tests for jobs (this is the single biggest invasion of sovereignty people give up for jobs), I've had to have ongoing credit checks, I've had to sign morality clauses


With regards to wearing masks, I've had to wear a bunch of stuff at work that annoyed me more. Safety glasses, steel toed boots are both uncomfortable and annoying. Having to buy and care for suits or other specialized clothing for certain clients is effectively a fee levied by my employer to maintain employment.


So no I can't imagine why this one particular vaccine is something people would consider giving up what they feel is an otherwise good job.

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Except your entire premise is wrong. A vaccine protects you, nobody else. You can still transmit the virus when you're vaccinated. We can all have empathy for those that are higher risk, but some of us realize that our personal vaccine decisions have nothing to do with theirs. They are free to protect THEMSELVES. Nothing I do will impact their freedom to get vaccinated.

The problem with masks is that there's no proof to their efficacy. I would have no problem wearing one in high-risk situations if they worked, but wearing a cloth mask is like poking a bunch of holes in a condom and then pretending like you're safe from pregnancy. Doing pointless things to pretend like you are doing something is still pointless.

Plenty of jobs require concessions. The problem is that you got to make that choice when you applied for/accepted the position. You decided that you were willing to put up with certain inconveniences because you wanted the job. Forcing vaccinations on people because they work for a company with 100 people is not even remotely the same thing. I shouldn't have to choose between my employment and a healthcare decision that has nothing going to do with my employment. Especially when every single person is free to protect themselves as the see fit.

I bet you weren't going around asking people if they had flu shots before this.

Same question the math guy would never answer.

Where would you draw the line with your employer? Do you have a point where you would walk?

Obviously your line is different than mine, and that's ok. But I'm honestly curious where people draw it.

Monthly boosters?
Daily pills?
Microchips to monitor vitals?
Vaccine requirements on your household?
Contact tracing outside of work?
Contact tracing for your family?
Carbon tax based on the car you drive?
Diversity raises and white man demotions?
Mandatory vasectomy?
Mandatory mastectomy?
Mandatory calorie counting?
Minimum step requirements per day?

Feel free to add your own, just giving ideas for situations that may happen (some silly, some real) to give you a starting point.

I don't know where the line is but I can say it is not a vaccine seeing as I have had to have multiple vaccines for different jobs.

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Same question the math guy would never answer.

Where would you draw the line with your employer? Do you have a point where you would walk?

Obviously your line is different than mine, and that's ok. But I'm honestly curious where people draw it.

Monthly boosters?
Daily pills?
Microchips to monitor vitals?
Vaccine requirements on your household?
Contact tracing outside of work?
Contact tracing for your family?
Carbon tax based on the car you drive?
Diversity raises and white man demotions?
Mandatory vasectomy?
Mandatory mastectomy?
Mandatory calorie counting?
Minimum step requirements per day?

Feel free to add your own, just giving ideas for situations that may happen (some silly, some real) to give you a starting point.

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This is rich. I answered your question. You just didn't like my answer. I'll answer it again. Your list in silly. If you want to talk about your employer as a line here for a vaccination fine. Here's my line.

It doesn't exist. I made a choice to get a vaccine number 1 for myself and number 2 to protect my family. I don't care what my employer may or may not mandate because it's no longer relevant to me. I don't have to draw that line because I chose to protect me and my family first, last and always.

If you haven't taken a vaccine you have a problem. Your employer isn't drawing a line for you to cross. You drew it for yourself the minute you said "no vaccines for me". If you have a family and you choose to put yourself over them. That line is way closer to you than your employer. You drew it right around yourself and you put you before everyone and everything else.

If you want to talk about theoretical abstract lines in the sand go for it. This one is real. It's the only one that matters. Take the rest of that nonsense to F16.

I'm done. Thread off my watchlist.

GAC06 said:

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Insufferable covid hobbyists

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This from the Covid board's #1 poster by volume.

Is it that you think you are sufferable?

Mathguy64 said:

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Same question the math guy would never answer.

Where would you draw the line with your employer? Do you have a point where you would walk?

Obviously your line is different than mine, and that's ok. But I'm honestly curious where people draw it.

Monthly boosters?
Daily pills?
Microchips to monitor vitals?
Vaccine requirements on your household?
Contact tracing outside of work?
Contact tracing for your family?
Carbon tax based on the car you drive?
Diversity raises and white man demotions?
Mandatory vasectomy?
Mandatory mastectomy?
Mandatory calorie counting?
Minimum step requirements per day?

Feel free to add your own, just giving ideas for situations that may happen (some silly, some real) to give you a starting point.

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This is rich. I answered your question. You just didn't like my answer. I'll answer it again. Your list in silly. If you want to talk about your employer as a line here for a vaccination fine. Here's my line.

It doesn't exist. I made a choice to get a vaccine number 1 for myself and number 2 to protect my family. I don't care what my employer may or may not mandate because it's no longer relevant to me. I don't have to draw that line because I chose to protect me and my family first, last and always.

If you haven't taken a vaccine you have a problem. Your employer isn't drawing a line for you to cross. You drew it for yourself the minute you said "no vaccines for me". If you have a family and you choose to put yourself over them. That line is way closer to you than your employer. You drew it right around yourself and you put you before everyone and everything else.

If you want to talk about theoretical abstract lines in the sand go for it. This one is real. It's the only one that matters. Take the rest of that nonsense to F16.

I'm done. Thread off my watchlist.

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Jesus what a terrifying thought. I can't imagine being willing to do anything for a paycheck. You must make a lot more than I do or love your kids a lot less than I do.

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Insufferable covid hobbyists

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This from the Covid board's #1 poster by volume.

Is it that you think you are sufferable?

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Is that stat made up on the spot like most others here?

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Here's my line. It doesn't exist

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Jesus what a terrifying thought. I can't imagine being willing to do anything for a paycheck. You must make a lot more than I do or love your kids a lot less than I do.

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You know I thought I was done here. I just can't let this go.

No one can be this thick or be unable to read. I have said countless times on this thread that I took a shot for me and my family.

By protecting myself I reduce the risk of leaving my wife a widow and my son an orphan. By taking a shot I reduce the risk of getting a disease that I may pass to them and possibly put them in the hospital or worse kill them.

If you think this is about my job you are lost. I don't have to worry about my job because I made a selfless act for my family.

If you want to make a selfish one for yourself and ***** about how you may lose your job and not put your family first go for it.

Now I'm done.

Comparing COVID to Polio. You are insane.

You indicated that there is no line you wouldn't cross to keep your job. You said "here's my line, it doesn't exist".

My question has nothing to do with a Covid shot. That's great you got the shot. I think it's a good thing and has saved a lot of lives. My question is how far would you let your company or the government push you before you say no. It's a very simple question that I can't get many people to answer.

I'm sorry this simple exercise has gotten you so riled up, that was not my intention. I was simply trying to point out that people have different points where they won't compromise and that's ok. I won't allow a non-elected bureaucracy create arbitrary rules based on self proclaimed emergency power to force me to comply with something I don't need. If that means I lose my job over it then I'm ok with that. You won't see me complaining here about it.

You seem to indicate there is nothing the government could mandate that you wouldn't go along with. That's a terrifying thought to me.

You seem pretty worked up and confused.

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The list doesn't matter if you already said there is no line for you.

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Can you actually read? This line of a covid shot does not exist for me. I made that choice for my family. This line DOES NOT EXIST. I don't give a rats ass if my job says get one or not because I already made that choice.

If you want to be tough guy and quit a job, not have income for your family, and oh by the way not protect your family in the first place you should say that. You are the one with the problem here. Not me.

I want to hear you say "I did not get a vaccine and am willing to orphan my child and widow my wife, or give a disease to my child that may kill them." Go ahead. Put your money where your mouth is.

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Two things:

1) you've admitted that there are scenarios where you'd be a "tough guy" and quit a job. This just isn't a scenario that crosses that line for you but you struggle to understand why it might be for others.

2) Every morning you get up and leave the house you are at risk of orphaning your child and widowing your wife, or giving a disease to your child that may kill them. It's a scary reality that existed long before Covid came around and will continue long after.

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I did not get a vaccine and am willing to orphan my child and widow my wife, or give a disease to my child that may kill them."

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This level of fear is impressive. Assuming you never drive anywhere or let your kids go swimming.

ETA - I am glad to hear you say there are lines you wouldn't cross for your company. That was quite a misunderstanding we had going there.