texagbeliever said:

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Aston94 said:

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aggierogue said:

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Called doctor yesterday to ask about treatment if I get Covid. He said they would give me Ivermectin, some nasal inhaler I forgot the name of, and some other things. He's treated hundreds of patients already.

Family members in CC got Covid. Spohn hospital treated with Ivermectin.

Some of you act like no one is prescribing it.

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I think the point is that the vaccine is much more well tested and FDA approved for use against the virus, and people are refusing to take it but are happy to seek out an off label use of a drug intended for livestock.

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The vaccine is so well tested that the story has gone from:

• 100% immunity no cases, no hospitalizations, no deaths
• No hospitalizations & no deaths
• Okay less severe cases versus individuals who haven't yet had covid
• Well now you need a booster every 4 months & pills every day (pfizer)

So yeah its almost as if the vaccine wasn't that well tested or we were flat out lied to. Your pick.

*Note a vaccine still makes sense for individuals with certain comorbidities. However, pushing for a treatment when sick is just being rational.

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Do you have links for those claims?

Anybody paying any attention to vaccines knows they aren't ever 100% immunity. Nothing in life is 100%. That's just stupid. We all knew they were just to help us fight the virus, not a forcefield around us. This isn't Star Trek.

And nobody has ever said booster every 4 months and pills every day that I've seen.

(Thought I do know several people taking Ivermectin daily for whatever reason even though there's no proof that it does a thing.)

Mostly Peaceful said:

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htxag09 said:

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Well in a single thread alone, Rex, Jbob, and Curry took Ivermectin (Jbob and Curry on day 2) and are still in the ICU. Rex is finally going home today, after being in the hospital for 2 and a half weeks.

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Okay, so 2? I honestly don't know and would like to know if there really are many here who have ended up in the ICU after taking ivermectin.

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That's three.

1. Rex
2. JBob
3. Curry

All three took Ivermectin and all three are currently in the hospital. (Though Rex is going home today.)

Don't bother you will literally never convince him.

Like Mac on ASIP, he is dug in and he is not going to change.

Look forward to:
It wasn't taken early enough
It wasn't the right dose
They didn't take it with zinc
They didn't take it with a z-pack
They didn't take the right formulation
They didn't take it with HCQ
They were probably too fat/old/etc/etc for it to work.
Etc
Etc
Etc

Yep. People are just so dug in and try to be so darn difficult.

I mean that's 3 posters on one thread who are in the icu. All 3 chose not to get the vaccine because they didn't think covid was a threat to them. All 3 took ivermectin. All three are in icu. If that doesn't sway you one way than don't know what will.

Aston94 said:

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aggierogue said:

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Called doctor yesterday to ask about treatment if I get Covid. He said they would give me Ivermectin, some nasal inhaler I forgot the name of, and some other things. He's treated hundreds of patients already.

Family members in CC got Covid. Spohn hospital treated with Ivermectin.

Some of you act like no one is prescribing it.

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I think the point is that the vaccine is much more well tested and FDA approved for use against the virus, and people are refusing to take it but are happy to seek out an off label use of a drug intended for livestock.

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Good grief. Ivermectin has been a treatment for people as well long before Covid. Why is this so hard to comprehend?

at this point, for some folks nothing short of being personally admitted to the ICU will be enough

Wakesurfer817 said:

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Does your freedom to use an ineffective drug trump my freedom to have access to ER's and ICU's?

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His freedom to smoke, drink, blow meth, participate in high risk hobbies, not get the flu vax, and overeat does. Hth

htxag09 said:

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Yep. People are just so dug in and try to be so darn difficult.

I mean that's 3 posters on one thread who are in the icu. All 3 chose not to get the vaccine because they didn't think covid was a threat to them. All 3 took ivermectin. All three are in icu. If that doesn't sway you one way than don't know what will.

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3 data points always wins.

The traditional media types are so scared of Joe Rogan they gotta make **** up about Ivermectin.

That is a great tweet from Scott Adams.

Wakesurfer817 said:

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Does your freedom to use an ineffective drug trump my freedom to have access to ER's and ICU's?

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Yes it does. Access to the ICU is NOT a human right.

Good grief.

texagbeliever said:

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Aston94 said:

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aggierogue said:

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Called doctor yesterday to ask about treatment if I get Covid. He said they would give me Ivermectin, some nasal inhaler I forgot the name of, and some other things. He's treated hundreds of patients already.

Family members in CC got Covid. Spohn hospital treated with Ivermectin.

Some of you act like no one is prescribing it.

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I think the point is that the vaccine is much more well tested and FDA approved for use against the virus, and people are refusing to take it but are happy to seek out an off label use of a drug intended for livestock.

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The vaccine is so well tested that the story has gone from:

• 100% immunity no cases, no hospitalizations, no deaths
• No hospitalizations & no deaths
• Okay less severe cases versus individuals who haven't yet had covid
• Well now you need a booster every 4 months & pills every day (pfizer)

So yeah its almost as if the vaccine wasn't that well tested or we were flat out lied to. Your pick.

*Note a vaccine still makes sense for individuals with certain comorbidities. However, pushing for a treatment when sick is just being rational.

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95-96% of all Covid hospitalizations in US right now are non-vaccinated.

96-98% of Covid deaths in US right now are non-vaccinated.

I have no idea who was making claims like you indicated but the potential need for boosters was discussed from the beginning, and never was there a 100% immunity discussed. We all knew there would be variants along the way.

Don't make up arguments to fit your narrative, it is tired and old.

aggierogue said:

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Aston94 said:

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aggierogue said:

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Called doctor yesterday to ask about treatment if I get Covid. He said they would give me Ivermectin, some nasal inhaler I forgot the name of, and some other things. He's treated hundreds of patients already.

Family members in CC got Covid. Spohn hospital treated with Ivermectin.

Some of you act like no one is prescribing it.

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I think the point is that the vaccine is much more well tested and FDA approved for use against the virus, and people are refusing to take it but are happy to seek out an off label use of a drug intended for livestock.

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Good grief. Ivermectin has been a treatment for people as well long before Covid. Why is this so hard to comprehend?

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Right, when was it FDA approved for treatment against Covid?

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at this point, for some folks nothing short of being personally admitted to the ICU will be enough

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Even then. There is a prominent 16chan poster that spent weeks in the hospital and as recently as last week was still trying to get an ivermectin script filled as a PrEP. a few weeks before he was still spreading lies about the vaccine changing your DNA.

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htxag09 said:

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Yep. People are just so dug in and try to be so darn difficult.

I mean that's 3 posters on one thread who are in the icu. All 3 chose not to get the vaccine because they didn't think covid was a threat to them. All 3 took ivermectin. All three are in icu. If that doesn't sway you one way than don't know what will.

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3 data points always wins.

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lol, knew that was coming. What about the hospital capacity numbers put out that consistently show 90+% of patients not being vaccinated? Or why do my "3 data points" not matter but people here will constantly link things like the Rogan story trying to imply that ivermectin kept him from having a serious case?

For the record, I'm not against it. If I caught Covid and my doctor suggested it, I would take it. But I'm not going to go around him or run to tractor supply to take the stuff, either.

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lol, COVID has minor effects for the vast majority of people who get it. This site can't have it both ways, COVID is just the sniffles! See, this guy/gal took ivermectin and they had a minor case! It works!

FWIW, many people from this site have been or are currently in the ICU. Many of those have taken ivermectin. I can throw out anecdotes as well.

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Correct.

And some doctors DO prescribe Ivermectin. I know one.

There is no scientific proof that it helps with Covid.

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Ivermectin might be low risk, depending on the dosage, but at this point the data do not show that it works. The most recent meta-analysis in the literature covered 14 studies and found no effect. One of the big trials with like 1500 people had to be stopped because it wasn't showing any effect. It might be similar to placebo. It also might increase mortality rate. It isn't clear yet.

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Mostly Peaceful said:

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GeographyAg said:

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Mostly Peaceful said:

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htxag09 said:

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Well in a single thread alone, Rex, Jbob, and Curry took Ivermectin (Jbob and Curry on day 2) and are still in the ICU. Rex is finally going home today, after being in the hospital for 2 and a half weeks.

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Okay, so 2? I honestly don't know and would like to know if there really are many here who have ended up in the ICU after taking ivermectin.

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That's three.

1. Rex
2. JBob
3. Curry

All three took Ivermectin and all three are currently in the hospital. (Though Rex is going home today.)

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I believe the consensus is that Ivermectin is only beneficial when taken within the first few days.

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They all took it early.

The anti-mask guy that died last week in Texas took it the first day he had symptoms if I remember correctly.

There is zero proof that Ivermectin works to treat Covid.

We have plenty of proof that the vaccines work.

I really don't get it.

Why do you even care if some take ivermectin or HCQ?

Just stop telling others what to do. It's not your place.

Good grief you people. Amazing busy bodies.

First off, one took it 7 days after symptoms showed up. That is not early. Secondly, I never stated it worked. I replied to someone who claimed that "many" posters here have wound up in the ICU and "many" of those had taken Ivermectin. I was curious to see if that was true. Turned out to be a baseless claim.

htxag09 said:

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Yep. People are just so dug in and try to be so darn difficult.

I mean that's 3 posters on one thread who are in the icu. All 3 chose not to get the vaccine because they didn't think covid was a threat to them. All 3 took ivermectin. All three are in icu. If that doesn't sway you one way than don't know what will.

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Point of fact, I don't believe any of those 3 were in the ICU. They were hospitalized but that's different than ICU. I could be wrong but that's what I saw.

Not only that, ranchers often have some pretty tasty salt/mineral blocks. Buy one at the store, take it home, and break off what you need when you need it.



Better yet, just put it in the middle of the table and lick it when you need a taste of salt.

traxter said:

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aggierogue said:

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coolerguy12 said:

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Side effect of ivermectin is nothing?
Side effect of abortion is actively ending a human life. You know it's a terrible analogy but went with it anyway.

I would argue that if the doctor in good faith felt the requested treatment would cause harm then they should remove themself from the case and get another doctor assigned. I don't think that can be said for ivermectin.

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There is harm to everything, even placebo. In this case the biggest potential harm is that millions of people think an antiparasitic drug will save them if they get COVID, and they're avoiding vaccination because of it. I'm not going to spell out all the potential consequences of that, but it's greater than the individual.

If a doctor doesn't want to perform an abortion should they be the ones finding another doctor to perform it? If a patient wants me to help them find someone to give them an abortion, I'm going to tell them to Google it themselves.

If this patient wanted ivermectin so bad, he should have found himself a doctor. We do not need judges telling doctors how to practice medicine.


ETA: if something truly has zero harm/risk/side effects, it would be pretty rare for it to have benefit. Something's do have a very favorable NNT and NNH ratio, but nothing with benefit is with zero risk.

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Advil or Tylenol has very good benefit for headaches/body pain with little to no side effect when used properly.

Ivermectin is not the reason I'm not getting vaccinated. I didn't even ask my doctor about Ivermectin. He told me it is one of the drugs he prescribes. Many are prescribing it.

It's pretty obvious at this point that there is a campaign effort and a political effort to minimize or nullify a benefit to Ivermectin. The fact that the popular and consistent narrative is "horse dewormer" or "animal drugs" should be an easy tell.

Exhibit A:

Popular 54 year old podcaster (unvaccinated) takes Ivermectin (among several other things) and recovers after a single day of bad Covid symptoms.
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CTSsA8wAR2-/?utm_medium=copy_link

Response:
CNN only focuses on Ivermectin and completely omits his quick recovery.


Oh, and he didn't take up a hospital bed.

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Doctors and scientists have been advising against the use of multiple drugs for quite some time. They have advised against ivermectin use as well for quite some time. But suddenly, in the midst of a surge of people taking veterinary ivermectin from animal feed stores, using the term "horse dewormer" becomes part of some sort of political narrative to nullify its benefits?

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It literally IS horse dewormer. Or would you prefer "river blindness and intestinal roundworm infection" treatment?

Just because a drug is fda approved for condition X doesn't mean it's safe for condition Y.

Maybe, maybe not.

CondensedFoggyAggie said:

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traxter said:

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aggierogue said:

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bigtruckguy3500 said:

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coolerguy12 said:

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Side effect of ivermectin is nothing?
Side effect of abortion is actively ending a human life. You know it's a terrible analogy but went with it anyway.

I would argue that if the doctor in good faith felt the requested treatment would cause harm then they should remove themself from the case and get another doctor assigned. I don't think that can be said for ivermectin.

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There is harm to everything, even placebo. In this case the biggest potential harm is that millions of people think an antiparasitic drug will save them if they get COVID, and they're avoiding vaccination because of it. I'm not going to spell out all the potential consequences of that, but it's greater than the individual.

If a doctor doesn't want to perform an abortion should they be the ones finding another doctor to perform it? If a patient wants me to help them find someone to give them an abortion, I'm going to tell them to Google it themselves.

If this patient wanted ivermectin so bad, he should have found himself a doctor. We do not need judges telling doctors how to practice medicine.


ETA: if something truly has zero harm/risk/side effects, it would be pretty rare for it to have benefit. Something's do have a very favorable NNT and NNH ratio, but nothing with benefit is with zero risk.

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Advil or Tylenol has very good benefit for headaches/body pain with little to no side effect when used properly.

Ivermectin is not the reason I'm not getting vaccinated. I didn't even ask my doctor about Ivermectin. He told me it is one of the drugs he prescribes. Many are prescribing it.

It's pretty obvious at this point that there is a campaign effort and a political effort to minimize or nullify a benefit to Ivermectin. The fact that the popular and consistent narrative is "horse dewormer" or "animal drugs" should be an easy tell.

Exhibit A:

Popular 54 year old podcaster (unvaccinated) takes Ivermectin (among several other things) and recovers after a single day of bad Covid symptoms.
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CTSsA8wAR2-/?utm_medium=copy_link

Response:
CNN only focuses on Ivermectin and completely omits his quick recovery.


Oh, and he didn't take up a hospital bed.

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Doctors and scientists have been advising against the use of multiple drugs for quite some time. They have advised against ivermectin use as well for quite some time. But suddenly, in the midst of a surge of people taking veterinary ivermectin from animal feed stores, using the term "horse dewormer" becomes part of some sort of political narrative to nullify its benefits?

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It literally IS horse dewormer. Or would you prefer "river blindness and intestinal roundworm infection" treatment?

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We all know why the headline is what it is. It is also used for humans but it's more fun to use horsewormer so those on the political left can say, "LOL Trump supporters." That's why people don't trust the media and don't trust experts. Stop being political.

DadHammer said:

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Why do you even care if some take ivermectin or HCQ?

Just stop telling others what to do. It's not your place.

Good grief you people. Amazing busy bodies.

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People are rightly concerned with ICU availability for non covid patients

TarponChaser said:

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htxag09 said:

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Yep. People are just so dug in and try to be so darn difficult.

I mean that's 3 posters on one thread who are in the icu. All 3 chose not to get the vaccine because they didn't think covid was a threat to them. All 3 took ivermectin. All three are in icu. If that doesn't sway you one way than don't know what will.

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Point of fact, I don't believe any of those 3 were in the ICU. They were hospitalized but that's different than ICU. I could be wrong but that's what I saw.

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You're correct, not sure if any of them claimed if they were in ICU or not. I just assumed they were as they checked into the hospital with pneumonia and blood O2 in the 70's or 80's. Under normal conditions, pretty sure patients in that state would go to ICU. I had pneumonia about 4 years ago and my blood O2 was in the 90's and the ER still transferred me to ICU immediately, where I was for about 6 days. I also checked in to the hospital a day or so later than I should've because we couldn't get anywhere after Harvey but that's another story.