Mayo Clinic doctor: Amount of people flocking to Ivermectin is astounding

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Appreciate the explanation KidDoc. So for those who are worried about MRNA vaccine technology and possible long term side effects, getting Regeneron would not be putting the same risks (if there are any with the vaccine) in one's body?

I've just seen proponents of getting the vaccine use Regeneron as a rebuttal to the anti-vaxxers concerns.
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Are the Monoclonal Antibodies something like the HRIG ( Human Rabies Immune Globulin) administered along with rabies vaccinations to those who have not previously been vaccinated to provide immunity while waiting for the immunity induced by the vaccine to ramp up?

In Rabies, my understanding is that if you have already been vaccinated, upon a new exposure you get the vaccine again, but not the HRIG. In the case of covid, if you have been vaccinated would there be a need for Monoclonal Antibodies?
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Zero long term concerns with antibody infusions. I also have zero concerns about long term concerns with mRNA vaccines. All of the adverse effects occur within two weeks just like every other vaccine every used. The biochemistry just does not support long term adverse effects.

Now the short term effects can be chronic, especially GBS and strokes due to blood clots so I am not discounting the adverse events, but they happen quickly.
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eric76 said:

Are the Monoclonal Antibodies something like the HRIG ( Human Rabies Immune Globulin) administered along with rabies vaccinations to those who have not previously been vaccinated to provide immunity while waiting for the immunity induced by the vaccine to ramp up?

In Rabies, my understanding is that if you have already been vaccinated, upon a new exposure you get the vaccine again, but not the HRIG. In the case of covid, if you have been vaccinated would there be a need for Monoclonal Antibodies?


Yes it is just like rabies IG. I don't know of any clear guidelines with covid and vaccine, I think the data is still pending and the side effects of antibody infusion are so mild I think most docs will just err on using it in patients who are sick and have risk factors no matter what their vaccine status is. I know on my antibody order sheet it does not matter if they are vax or not.
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aggierogue said:


But I have a few questions:

1. The Z-pack addressing bacteria and not virus doesn't seem to be why doctors are prescribing. It seems it is being prescribed to prevent the lungs from getting a secondary bacterial infection. At least that's my take.

2. How is Regeneron (monoclonal antibodies) different than injecting the vaccine? Is this similar? Would getting Regeneron treatment basically be similar to getting vaccinated with the MRNA technology? For a dummy, what is the differences?

3. There seems to be mixed evidence on natural immunity (after recovering from Covid; Israel studies) and vaccine immunity regarding which provides better immunity. This doctor is obviously arguing the vaccine gives better protection and recovery/vax is the best protection. But I've read other evidence of the contrary.

I'm glad this guy didn't just isolate Ivermectin in his video. He seems more credible b/c he addressed each supplement/drug Rogan mentioned. He also seems to have done his homework on Rogan's arguments by showing other episodes and mentioning that he's a fan. Would be interesting to have this doctor on Rogan's podcast, b/c the female doctor (a personal friend of his) who came on his podcast was anything but convincing and no answers for Rogan's questions (I linked her video below).



1. Antibiotics aren't without risks of their own. Azithromycin does have mild anti-inflammatory effects, and may provide some benefit in that regard. Prevention of a secondary bacterial infection empirically on everyone is controversial goal. Statistically, you're more likely to cause diarrhea than you are to prevent a secondary pneumonia. Also, excessive and indiscriminate use of antibiotics has been producing super infections for some time now. And this is only going to make it worse. There isn't a lot of money in antibiotics, so big pharma isn't really investing in antibiotic research that much. Long story short, likely minimal benefit, with potential for some near term harm, and a lot of long term harm.

2. See KidDoc's answer.

3. Have you read evidence to the contrary? Or read opinions to the contrary. Last I saw, evidence seems to suggest that the combination of recovery and subsequent vaccination will produce the best immunity. Vaccine then exposure to virus +/- symptomatic infection likely produces second best immunity with reduced risk of long term COVID side effects. Immunity is a very complex thing, and it's hard to say which one is truly better. One may produce a slightly weaker immunity, but it may be more durable. The other may be stronger, but not as durable.

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bigtruckguy3500 said:


Another thought on the video.

His argument against Vitamin D drip and NAD drip would seem to make much of Reveille's (doc on this board) "Meds to Take" null and void.

Reveille states that we should frontload on Vitamin D and then continue to take larger than normal doses while ill.
He also includes Vitamin C, quercetin, zinc, Co-q-10, and NAC as vitamins/supplements to take if you contract Covid.

It appears Rogan is using a better route to get some of these vitamins through IV. Many people have absorption issues, and the IV drip would be a better avenue for intake for most anyone trying to get vitamins into their body.

So, this doctor is basically saying not to take anything that hasn't been researched and found efficacy for treatment...which would be just about everything other than the few FDA medications listed on their website.

Yet many doctors are prescribing Vitamin D3, zinc, quercetin, Ivermectin, Budasonide, prednisone, and other inhaler remedies.
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eric76 said:

There is one current article about a judge in Ohio ordering a hospital to treat a patient with ivermectin. See https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/570331-judge-orders-resistant-hospital-to-treat-covid for details. Perhaps the State Medical Board of Ohio should revoke his license to practice law.
It has been reported that the patient in this case no longer has an active case of covid. I haven't anything that says when he was found to no longer have covid.

Note that the doctor prescribing ivermectin for him neither examined him nor requested his medical information from the hospital -- he was apparently going entirely on what the man's wife told him. As such, he didn't even know the man's covid status.
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eric76 said:

Reports are that he has stabilized, but is not at all ready to come off of the ventilator. I don't know in what universe that is considered to be "recovered".

It cannot even be said that he stabilized because of the ivermectin.

Regarding the doctor, the doctor didn't review the patient's medical history at the time he prescribed the Ivermectin. He hadn't even bothered to request a copy of the patient's medical history from the hospital so that he could review it.
He died
 
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