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The drugs mentioned above are not necessarily for weight loss but have that side effect. Topiramate is for migraines and epilepsy, yet has appetite suppression as a side effect.

For drugs like that, doctors will be hesitant to prescribe it unless you are morbidly obese. The other side effects sound pretty unpleasant.

The reason you have to have these discussions with your doctor is the risks associated with the treatment need to be weighed (pardon the pun) against the risks of just dealing with the weight in traditional manners.

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Topimarate is not but Qysmia is specifically for weight loss and contains topimarate.

https://www.drugs.com/qsymia.html

The injection is absolutely specified for weight loss. It was approved for weight loss.

cc_ag92 said:

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The "I don't know someone who., but I do know someone who." response holds as much water as my I don't know anyone who has had serious side effects from the vaccine, but I know several people who have died from Covid and many more who have been hospitalized from Covid.
I'm not arguing against weight loss and a heathy lifestyle by any means and I've increased my weight loss efforts since Covid began, moving from obese to overweight. I do wonder why none of my doctors has ever suggested anything like what you've suggested and plan to send a message asking about them soon. I've been working on this weight loss for a long time, but it certainly hasn't been as easy as many people on here claim.

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Worth asking. Ask about Qysmia not topimarate. You don't take it forever. Just long enough to give you the boost.

https://www.drugs.com/qsymia.html

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Gumby said:

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bay fan said:

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DFWTLR said:

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bay fan said:

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Please develop a quick vaccine. Pretty sure anyone who battles their weight would happily take it and a booster as often as needed. Keep your life insurance up to date.

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Where can people get that shot? You know, the one that takes away their appetite, makes them crave working out and you only need to take it every 6 months but are protected from fat?

Also, since so many people are concerned with the problem of weight in the US, perhaps the staff can make a board for those of you who come here only wanting to discuss weight? You f16 folks could then hang out there and not feel compelled to spew on every thread here.

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Bay fan, ask your doctor about topimarate. It's a migraine med that works extremely well for weight loss. I know several people that loss 30+ pounds on it.

There is also an injection you can get that reduces your appetite. I believe it was originally a diabetes treatment but it works amazingly well.

I'm not being sarcastic. You can definitely get effective and safe treatments for obesity.

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So, let's see

you think a shot ( https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-new-drug-treatment-chronic-weight-management-first-2014 )

that
* has to be taken *weekly*
* that *might* help you by 14% (but only IF you also diet and exercise)
and
*can cause inflammation of the pancreas (pancreatitis), gallbladder problems (including gallstones), low blood sugar, acute kidney injury, diabetic retinopathy (damage to the eye's retina), increased heart rate and suicidal behavior or thinking

Is a no brainer compared to the covid vaccine?

What do you really think the reaction would be to the covid vaccine if this was the info for it?
- a weekly shot
- might help you by 14% if you wear a mask and social distance (not at all if you don't)
- has all those side effects

Seriously?


And this one:
https://www.drugs.com/medical-answers/topiramate-weight-loss-3555918/

First of all, it barely works

"In general, weight loss was seen in 6% to 17% of patients, and tended to increase with higher doses"

And to get to the 17% chance you have to take at least 200mg DAILY!

Plus the side effects (particularly for the higher doses): 21% of patients stopped treatment due to difficulty with memory, fatigue, asthenia (weakness), insomnia (difficulty sleeping), somnolence (extreme drowsiness), and paresthesia (pins and needles or tingling feeling in extremities).

In fact, the downsides for that one are so bad compared to its effectiveness it's only recommended if you also have a health condition like high blood pressure, high cholesterol or type 2 diabetes.

Yeah, my doctor hasn't recommended any of that stuff. I have no other health conditions. I'm barely over the BMI for obesity. When she and I looked at the side effects there was no way I was doing it, and she didn't really want me to do it.


I started a fasting protocol at the beginning of the pandemic. I only eat one meal a day. I've lost 10 lbs in the year. Weight loss is very difficult. There is no shot or easy solution. It's a struggle daily. Stop acting like there's any kind of equivalence between not being vaccinated and being overweight.

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It was Qysmia that was for weight loss. It contains topimarate.

https://www.drugs.com/qsymia.html

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Lets also not forget the fact that most people don't go to the doctor and are terrible at acknowledging their true risks. I can't tell you how many people I know who are obese according to their BMI, and just looking at them would confirm that, but they shrug it off. Well BMI is a terrible indicator, according to that every college running back is obese. Hell, I went to the gym twice the last month and pumped iron for like 5 minutes of the hour I was there! That's just muscle weight!

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You could suck out every ounce of fat from my body and I will never meet what the CDC/experts say should be my ideal weight for my height (6'). At most, I should be 184 lbs. Even at my most healthiest when I was you typical post-college 20-something guy living in the gym, I couldn't get below 220 lbs. That was running 20 miles a week and lifting 3x/week. I even lived on the 3rd floor and would go up/down the stairs at least 5x/day for various reasons. My meals consisted of white meat (pork/chicken) and green leafy veggies. I completely cut out caffeine, sugars, and breads. Even after I met my wife and stopped lifting so often and switched to 30+ miles running per week (same diet), I still couldn't get below 220 lbs. But per BMI, I was a fatass. I get an annual physical and my BP, cholesterol, etc are all great.

wbt5845 said:

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To those who have asked:

- Yes, my wife is a nurse - educator for surgical services at her large D/FW area hospital - but still takes kidney/pancreas transplant call.

- I have been on an anti-obesity crusade for years. See my posts on fitness forum to read about my journey to better heath. Yes, we've had 1.5 years to get healthy and few have taken advantage of it. But that doesn't happen overnight - a vaccination does.

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Not for nothing, but technically it's over a month, not overnight. Facts and science and all that jazz.

GeographyAg said:

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Gumby said:

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bay fan said:

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DFWTLR said:

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bay fan said:

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Please develop a quick vaccine. Pretty sure anyone who battles their weight would happily take it and a booster as often as needed. Keep your life insurance up to date.

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Where can people get that shot? You know, the one that takes away their appetite, makes them crave working out and you only need to take it every 6 months but are protected from fat?

Also, since so many people are concerned with the problem of weight in the US, perhaps the staff can make a board for those of you who come here only wanting to discuss weight? You f16 folks could then hang out there and not feel compelled to spew on every thread here.

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Bay fan, ask your doctor about topimarate. It's a migraine med that works extremely well for weight loss. I know several people that loss 30+ pounds on it.

There is also an injection you can get that reduces your appetite. I believe it was originally a diabetes treatment but it works amazingly well.

I'm not being sarcastic. You can definitely get effective and safe treatments for obesity.

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So, let's see

you think a shot ( https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-new-drug-treatment-chronic-weight-management-first-2014 )

that
* has to be taken *weekly*
* that *might* help you by 14% (but only IF you also diet and exercise)
and
*can cause inflammation of the pancreas (pancreatitis), gallbladder problems (including gallstones), low blood sugar, acute kidney injury, diabetic retinopathy (damage to the eye's retina), increased heart rate and suicidal behavior or thinking

Is a no brainer compared to the covid vaccine?

What do you really think the reaction would be to the covid vaccine if this was the info for it?
- a weekly shot
- might help you by 14% if you wear a mask and social distance (not at all if you don't)
- has all those side effects

Seriously?


And this one:
https://www.drugs.com/medical-answers/topiramate-weight-loss-3555918/

First of all, it barely works

"In general, weight loss was seen in 6% to 17% of patients, and tended to increase with higher doses"

And to get to the 17% chance you have to take at least 200mg DAILY!

Plus the side effects (particularly for the higher doses): 21% of patients stopped treatment due to difficulty with memory, fatigue, asthenia (weakness), insomnia (difficulty sleeping), somnolence (extreme drowsiness), and paresthesia (pins and needles or tingling feeling in extremities).

In fact, the downsides for that one are so bad compared to its effectiveness it's only recommended if you also have a health condition like high blood pressure, high cholesterol or type 2 diabetes.

Yeah, my doctor hasn't recommended any of that stuff. I have no other health conditions. I'm barely over the BMI for obesity. When she and I looked at the side effects there was no way I was doing it, and she didn't really want me to do it.


I started a fasting protocol at the beginning of the pandemic. I only eat one meal a day. I've lost 10 lbs in the year. Weight loss is very difficult. There is no shot or easy solution. It's a struggle daily. Stop acting like there's any kind of equivalence between not being vaccinated and being overweight.

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He doesn't think any of this. Just trying to prove a point.

lol, I'm not meaning to start a derail regarding accuracy of BMI. I 100% agree and know there are exceptions. My point, is to the general public, BMI is a pretty good benchmark. But if we started a thread simply on BMI there would be 100 posts about how someone is the exception for every 1 post of someone acknowledging they're obese. I highly doubt all 100 of those posts are similar to you, granted every one of those people probably does truly believe that.

Good luck getting insurance to pay for Wegovy. Cash price 1300-1500 per month, even with Good RX.

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You could suck out every ounce of fat from my body and I will never meet what the CDC/experts say should be my ideal weight for my height (6'). At most, I should be 184 lbs. Even at my most healthiest when I was you typical post-college 20-something guy living in the gym, I couldn't get below 220 lbs. That was running 20 miles a week and lifting 3x/week. I even lived on the 3rd floor and would go up/down the stairs at least 5x/day for various reasons. My meals consisted of white meat (pork/chicken) and green leafy veggies. I completely cut out caffeine, sugars, and breads. Even after I met my wife and stopped lifting so often and switched to 30+ miles running per week (same diet), I still couldn't get below 220 lbs. But per BMI, I was a fatass. I get an annual physical and my BP, cholesterol, etc are all great.

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Poke fun all you want. My 39 year old unvaccinated obese self kicked COVID's ass a week ago. Not sorry I hurt your narrative.

Over 80% have either natural or vaccinated antibodies.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2784013?guestAccessKey=080abce6-3c0d-4b38-9e2b-63684a4e3ae4&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social_jama&utm_term=5410334530&utm_campaign=article_alert&linkId=130062866

Irwin M. Fletcher said:

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What narrative is that? Even if you are technically obese and unvaccinated you're more likely than not going to be ok overall. What I don't understand about you anti vax people is this means to you why get a vax? Well because although you're unlikely to end up in the hospital even if unvaxxed you are WAY more likely to end up in the hospital than someone who is vaccinated. Even if you're fit and lean. It's just the facts, and the vaccine is very safe. So it's an odds thing and a risk analysis thing. Long term side effects from the vaccine are tiny like very tiny. Long term events from Covid even if fit are small but not tiny. That is where some of you need to do some more research. If you go to Vegas you go to the table with the best odds, the vaccine gives you the best odds.

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The narrative that COVID is the worst thing we've ever seen, and getting it is almost a certain trip to the hospital, if you're lucky. The fact is, out of my wife and I, and my dad and his fiance (all unvaccinated), the only person who ended up in the hospital was my vaccinated aunt, who just got released yesterday after a week in the hospital. Is she an outlier? Yes. Are we? No.

Do you know what, I never strayed from my position on the vaccine. Because you're right, it's an odds thing. I took the emotion out of it and looked at the numbers, took a real honest look at myself, and made my decision. COVID came and went like the numbers said it would. I chose one unknown over the other because both unknows were relatively small. For every story we all hear about how COVID got someone bad, we don't hear about hundreds or maybe thousands of others that had zero issue. That's one fact I have never lost sight of. Don't think what the media, social media, or this board portrays is an accurate reflection of the truth, because it's not. Let the numbers drive the decision.

You talk about Vegas. If I could go to Vegas and the numbers told me I had a >99% chance of winning, I'd go. So would you. Vegas knows you would as well, which is why they will ban you for counting cards.

Reel Aggies said:

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Good luck getting insurance to pay for Wegovy. Cash price 1300-1500 per month, even with Good RX.

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If the government cares about obesity they would subsidize it like they do with the vaccines. Maybe there is an incentive to keeping us fat.

Irwin M. Fletcher said:

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What narrative is that? Even if you are technically obese and unvaccinated you're more likely than not going to be ok overall. What I don't understand about you anti vax people is this means to you why get a vax? Well because although you're unlikely to end up in the hospital even if unvaxxed you are WAY more likely to end up in the hospital than someone who is vaccinated. Even if you're fit and lean. It's just the facts, and the vaccine is very safe. So it's an odds thing and a risk analysis thing. Long term side effects from the vaccine are tiny like very tiny. Long term events from Covid even if fit are small but not tiny. That is where some of you need to do some more research. If you go to Vegas you go to the table with the best odds, the vaccine gives you the best odds.

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I'm with you on the 1st part of your point about getting vaccinated to reduce risk. I've done that.

However, how can you say that there are no long term side effects for the vaccine. What evidence do we have for that? I'm not questioning you, I'm genuinely looking for data.

bay fan said:

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DFWTLR said:

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bay fan said:

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Please develop a quick vaccine. Pretty sure anyone who battles their weight would happily take it and a booster as often as needed. Keep your life insurance up to date.

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Already invented, don't eat/drink so much and exercise.

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Where can people get that shot? You know, the one that takes away their appetite, makes them crave working out and you only need to take it every 6 months but are protected from fat?

Also, since so many people are concerned with the problem of weight in the US, perhaps the staff can make a board for those of you who come here only wanting to discuss weight? You f16 folks could then hang out there and not feel compelled to spew on every thread here.

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This has nothing to do with politics so please keep it off the board. There is no excuse for someone to not be much healthier 18 months into this when we now who covid statistically affects far more than any others.

If someone isn't healthy after 18 months of knowing they have a target on their back then I don't particularly feel sorry for them, vaccinated or not.

Yes, no excuse. I lost 25 pounds deployed to a combat zone with the gyms and dfacs mostly closed to due to covid.

If you want to you find a way.

I gained weight in the first place because I was lazy and made poor choices.

Irwin M. Fletcher said:

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aTm2004 said:

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Irwin M. Fletcher said:

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What narrative is that? Even if you are technically obese and unvaccinated you're more likely than not going to be ok overall. What I don't understand about you anti vax people is this means to you why get a vax? Well because although you're unlikely to end up in the hospital even if unvaxxed you are WAY more likely to end up in the hospital than someone who is vaccinated. Even if you're fit and lean. It's just the facts, and the vaccine is very safe. So it's an odds thing and a risk analysis thing. Long term side effects from the vaccine are tiny like very tiny. Long term events from Covid even if fit are small but not tiny. That is where some of you need to do some more research. If you go to Vegas you go to the table with the best odds, the vaccine gives you the best odds.

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The narrative that COVID is the worst thing we've ever seen, and getting it is almost a certain trip to the hospital, if you're lucky. The fact is, out of my wife and I, and my dad and his fiance (all unvaccinated), the only person who ended up in the hospital was my vaccinated aunt, who just got released yesterday after a week in the hospital. Is she an outlier? Yes. Are we? No.

Do you know what, I never strayed from my position on the vaccine. Because you're right, it's an odds thing. I took the emotion out of it and looked at the numbers, took a real honest look at myself, and made my decision. COVID came and went like the numbers said it would. I chose one unknown over the other because both unknows were relatively small. For every story we all hear about how COVID got someone bad, we don't hear about hundreds or maybe thousands of others that had zero issue. That's one fact I have never lost sight of. Don't think what the media, social media, or this board portrays is an accurate reflection of the truth, because it's not. Let the numbers drive the decision.

You talk about Vegas. If I could go to Vegas and the numbers told me I had a >99% chance of winning, I'd go. So would you. Vegas knows you would as well, which is why they will ban you for counting cards.

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Except that's not the narrative, I do realize there are those neurotic people who claim it's worse than Ebola, but there are also others claiming it's just the flu or not even that. Both are wrong. It's worse than the flu but it's not this plague type thing either. Reasonable people state this and know this. If you talk with reasonable physicians they basically will tell you this, not idiots on the internet from both sides. Look you took the chance and came out fine, but what you seem to not understand is that your personal experience is simply anecdotal and for you to extrapolate that to the populace as a whole is absurd and ridiculous. The odds were in your favor from the beginning but if you had also taken the vaccine your odds would have been improved with basically zero risk. Facts are facts and it's the unvaccinated causing issues now, although most unvaccinated that are getting it now will be absolutely fine, but for those that won't. Well they should have maybe improved their odds with little to no risk. That's all I'm saying and the data is on my side, real data not anecdotal from a personal experience.

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You seem to be somewhat rational but you do realize these are contradictory, right?

Actual experiences make up the data that set the "odds." Odds were in his favor because that's what the data says too. Not anecdotal personal experiences.

The hospital business model is what is being exposed in the COVIDs.

It's not so much hospitals being overwhelmed as much as it is messing with their margins.