I'm not anti vaxx. Highly recommend it. I'm also not anti-science and realize there are other things out there that help defeat this virus besides the vaccine.CondensedFoggyAggie said:Yesterday said:CondensedFoggyAggie said:Yesterday said:CondensedFoggyAggie said:rudy99 said:You are slinging insults around yet don't comprehend a basic post? Really?CondensedFoggyAggie said:wbt5845 said:
No Wife didn't have ICU space for transplant recipient post surgery. Other hospitals in area same boat.
Finally got ICU to set up and care for patient IN the OR post surgery. With so little space, a lot of procedures are being cancelled and room could be set aside for a day.
Until they get another kidney.
I know it's heartless, but the unvaxxed are really causing a lot of unnecessary issues for hospitals.
I'm sorry, I can't imagine how frustrating it must be to see your wifes health hanging in the balance.
How is she doing now.
Yep, my mistake. Sorry my disbelief and sadness at folks endangering their lives by rejecting science for unproven remedies meant for animals is an insult to you.
The doctor who prescribed me Ivermectin was a board certified physician and I picked up my meds at Walgreens. Talk about ignorance gulped down by the gallons from the trough of CNN's fear porn.
Oh great, so you found one doc while the vast majority of medical institutions in this country strongly are against horse paste.
You can scream CNN all you want like this is f16, but that doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of people on vents and dying are unvaccinated. If someone on twitter says sheep intestine cleaner works, hey why not?
The fact you think it's horse paste is even better. You may want to sit this one out.
Don't worry, sadly a lot of sad anti-vaxxers are sitting this one out, some permanently thanks to your horse paste and twitter
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My vaccinated aunt has been in the hospital since last Thursday due to COVID pneumonia. I'll let her know you think she's an awful person for being there while someone needs a kidney.wbt5845 said:
Wife didn't have ICU space for transplant recipient post surgery. Other hospitals in area same boat.
Finally got ICU to set up and care for patient IN the OR post surgery. With so little space, a lot of procedures are being cancelled and room could be set aside for a day.
Until they get another kidney.
I know it's heartless, but the unvaxxed are really causing a lot of unnecessary issues for hospitals.
You people are insane and the self-righteousness you have is unmatched. Have you consulted your physician about the beatings you're giving your back?
Of course he doesn't, because the Chinee have been vaccinating their COVID positive citizens with 9mm for 18 months.Harry Stone said:
question for the OP.
do you blame China for anything regarding coronavirus or just unvaxxed?
I've had COVID. You can shove your vaccine.bay fan said:
Please develop a quick vaccine. Pretty sure anyone who battles their weight would happily take it and a booster as often as needed. Keep your life insurance up to date.
Tell me you're only able to spew debunked taking points and is unable to do basic research and/or think for oneself without telling me you're only able to spew debunked talking points and is unable to do basic research and/or think for oneself.CondensedFoggyAggie said:Yesterday said:CondensedFoggyAggie said:rudy99 said:You are slinging insults around yet don't comprehend a basic post? Really?CondensedFoggyAggie said:wbt5845 said:
No Wife didn't have ICU space for transplant recipient post surgery. Other hospitals in area same boat.
Finally got ICU to set up and care for patient IN the OR post surgery. With so little space, a lot of procedures are being cancelled and room could be set aside for a day.
Until they get another kidney.
I know it's heartless, but the unvaxxed are really causing a lot of unnecessary issues for hospitals.
I'm sorry, I can't imagine how frustrating it must be to see your wifes health hanging in the balance.
How is she doing now.
Yep, my mistake. Sorry my disbelief and sadness at folks endangering their lives by rejecting science for unproven remedies meant for animals is an insult to you.
The doctor who prescribed me Ivermectin was a board certified physician and I picked up my meds at Walgreens. Talk about ignorance gulped down by the gallons from the trough of CNN's fear porn.
Oh great, so you found one doc while the vast majority of medical institutions in this country strongly are against horse paste.
You can scream CNN all you want like this is f16, but that doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of people on vents and dying are unvaccinated. If someone on twitter says sheep intestine cleaner works, hey why not?
This is simply not true. The vaccines totally work and you claims are just not true. There was always a chance the vaccinated could transmit. They do not lose effectiveness after only 6 months, boosters may not at all be needed every 6 months, and these vaccines pretty much ensure the vaccinated will not end up in the hospital in the event that they have covid.NicosMachine said:
If the vaccines worked as we were told, this wouldn't be an issue. These vaccines lose much of their effectiveness within six months and they don't prevent the vaccinated from spreading the virus. Add that to the fact we don't have data regarding the possible long-term effects and it looks like boosters are needed every six months and I'd say these are the least effective vaccines in the history of vaccines.
Hey, I am 100% against mandates and the choice is and always should be yours to make when deciding what's best for you to mitigate, but don't spout misinformation regarding the vaccine.
Wakesurfer817 said:Is there a shot for obesity?Gumby said:BCG Disciple said:
Not sure why the OP is such a hot button issue. If ICU's were filled by the obese or cancer patients, etc, would it not be ok for them to complain about their life decisions? The fact remains that this is about as clear of an issue as it could be. The vaccine is highly effective and people choose fear in low likelihood outcomes that they don't understand. If I had a loved one pass right now I would be on an absolute crusade against anti vaxxers.
You should be on a crusade against obese people. They are the ones clogging up the hospital beds. 80+% of those hospitalized with covid are obese. Not to mention all the other health care resources they use up with their diabetes and heart disease treatments.
We really need a crusade against obesity in this country.
Are vaccinated obese people being excluded from hospital census calculations?
When's the last time the ER's and ICU's have been understaffed because of obesity?
I'm as pro vax as you can be but people have had 18 months to get healthy. Anyone still fat and dying of covid can blame no one but themselves.
There is truly a problem in this country regarding our overall health. That is undeniable. The fact is, if people were more concerned about doing what they could to be lean and jacked, Covid would NOT be an issue and never would have been. The super fit simply are not at risk from Covid. Unfortunately the reality is that most have the time people still will make excuses as to why they can't or won't lose weight AND get fit. Again, their choice. And I totally understand that some have truly bigger body types and a few actually just do not have the time, but when it comes to time, it's normally a simple as maybe you don't spend the evening pounding beers while catching up on Netflix and go pound some iron at the local gym instead. And just b/c you are endomorphic doesn't mean you cannot fine the right dietary formula to make and keep you lean.Salute The Marines said:Wakesurfer817 said:Is there a shot for obesity?Gumby said:BCG Disciple said:
Not sure why the OP is such a hot button issue. If ICU's were filled by the obese or cancer patients, etc, would it not be ok for them to complain about their life decisions? The fact remains that this is about as clear of an issue as it could be. The vaccine is highly effective and people choose fear in low likelihood outcomes that they don't understand. If I had a loved one pass right now I would be on an absolute crusade against anti vaxxers.
You should be on a crusade against obese people. They are the ones clogging up the hospital beds. 80+% of those hospitalized with covid are obese. Not to mention all the other health care resources they use up with their diabetes and heart disease treatments.
We really need a crusade against obesity in this country.
Are vaccinated obese people being excluded from hospital census calculations?
When's the last time the ER's and ICU's have been understaffed because of obesity?
I'm as pro vax as you can be but people have had 18 months to get healthy. Anyone still fat and dying of covid can blame no one but themselves.
Not a politically correct answer and many would even say it's hateful, but it is the flat out truth.
bay fan said:
Please develop a quick vaccine. Pretty sure anyone who battles their weight would happily take it and a booster as often as needed. Keep your life insurance up to date.
There are weight loss drugs out there that work if you need them. Talk to your doctor.
Wakesurfer817 said:Is there a shot for obesity?Gumby said:BCG Disciple said:
Not sure why the OP is such a hot button issue. If ICU's were filled by the obese or cancer patients, etc, would it not be ok for them to complain about their life decisions? The fact remains that this is about as clear of an issue as it could be. The vaccine is highly effective and people choose fear in low likelihood outcomes that they don't understand. If I had a loved one pass right now I would be on an absolute crusade against anti vaxxers.
You should be on a crusade against obese people. They are the ones clogging up the hospital beds. 80+% of those hospitalized with covid are obese. Not to mention all the other health care resources they use up with their diabetes and heart disease treatments.
We really need a crusade against obesity in this country.
Are vaccinated obese people being excluded from hospital census calculations?
When's the last time the ER's and ICU's have been understaffed because of obesity?
1. There are effective weight loss drugs currently available in addition to gastric bypass surgery. Those who choose not to treat their obesity are just as culpable as people who refuse the vaccination which I got as a responsible citizen.
2. Not that I'm aware of. The last I checked over 80% of all hospitalized with covid were obese regardless of vaxx status.
3. Right now. Today. Obesity has created a shortage of health care resources due to the burden of obese people with covid getting so sick.
I fully support mandating that obese people take weight loss drugs or get gastric bypass surgery. It's long past time that we get the obesity pandemic under control. The self directed measures have been a complete failure.
GeographyAg said:
You guys do know that being thin is no guarantee of health, right?
My cousin who died of Covid last week after spending a month in the hospital was not even a little overweight and had no health problems other than being 69 years old.
I also have two friends in their early 50s, and one in his late 30s all thin and heathy who spent two weeks plus in ICU fighting for their lives.
Thankfully these younger three managed to beat it and go home but they're all still struggling with fatigue and other symptoms weeks later.
The only things these people had in common?
Male, and not vaccinated.
Just anecdotal, but I'm getting pretty sick of this idea that only fat people are sick. Nope. It's the unvaccinated - overwhelmingly.
I've known a few vaccinated people who got it recently, but they all had mild cases.
Of course it's not only fat people. Your friends were in the 20% of nonfat people that got severe covid. That is still a huge number of people. Bit you can't deny the connection between obesity and severe covid. It is the #1 causal factor aside from age.
Sorry, I mean anti-roundworm equine parasite medicine. Totally scientific based off of Twitter, just has to be retweeted by millions of unfortunate people like you and it becomes fact. Even better if it comes in a red pill eh?aTm2004 said:Tell me you're only able to spew debunked taking points and is unable to do basic research and/or think for oneself without telling me you're only able to spew debunked talking points and is unable to do basic research and/or think for oneself.CondensedFoggyAggie said:Yesterday said:CondensedFoggyAggie said:rudy99 said:You are slinging insults around yet don't comprehend a basic post? Really?CondensedFoggyAggie said:wbt5845 said:
No Wife didn't have ICU space for transplant recipient post surgery. Other hospitals in area same boat.
Finally got ICU to set up and care for patient IN the OR post surgery. With so little space, a lot of procedures are being cancelled and room could be set aside for a day.
Until they get another kidney.
I know it's heartless, but the unvaxxed are really causing a lot of unnecessary issues for hospitals.
I'm sorry, I can't imagine how frustrating it must be to see your wifes health hanging in the balance.
How is she doing now.
Yep, my mistake. Sorry my disbelief and sadness at folks endangering their lives by rejecting science for unproven remedies meant for animals is an insult to you.
The doctor who prescribed me Ivermectin was a board certified physician and I picked up my meds at Walgreens. Talk about ignorance gulped down by the gallons from the trough of CNN's fear porn.
Oh great, so you found one doc while the vast majority of medical institutions in this country strongly are against horse paste.
You can scream CNN all you want like this is f16, but that doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of people on vents and dying are unvaccinated. If someone on twitter says sheep intestine cleaner works, hey why not?
Keep spouting your ignorance.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34466270/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34466270/
Quote:
In 2015, the Nobel Committee for Physiology or Medicine, in its only award for treatments of infectious diseases since six decades prior, honoured the discovery of ivermectin (IVM), a multifaceted drug deployed against some of the world's most devastating tropical diseases.
aTm2004 said:
Keep spouting your ignorance.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34466270/Quote:
In 2015, the Nobel Committee for Physiology or Medicine, in its only award for treatments of infectious diseases since six decades prior, honoured the discovery of ivermectin (IVM), a multifaceted drug deployed against some of the world's most devastating tropical diseases.
Oh hey! The "We didn't do any of that double blind randomized trial with control groups at all, or anything close to it, but we think they took ivermectin so that must be it!" Not to mention death rates stayed the same for 3 whole months, above 500 per day before going down. And that's because of Ivermectin? Hahahaha
Never mind Peru actually reversed its inclusion of ivermectin in national coronavirus treatment guidelines this year.
Buddy, any other 'paper' that observes at least the basic statistical principles when studying whether a treatment works or not?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/clinical-trials-hope-to-study-the-long-term-effects-of-ivermectin/ar-AANUhZ9
Oxford University's website describes the study and the drug itself: "Small pilot studies show that early administration with Ivermectin can reduce viral load and the duration of symptoms in some patients with mild COVID-19."
Oxford University's website describes the study and the drug itself: "Small pilot studies show that early administration with Ivermectin can reduce viral load and the duration of symptoms in some patients with mild COVID-19."
Gumby said:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/clinical-trials-hope-to-study-the-long-term-effects-of-ivermectin/ar-AANUhZ9
Oxford University's website describes the study and the drug itself: "Small pilot studies show that early administration with Ivermectin can reduce viral load and the duration of symptoms in some patients with mild COVID-19."
Ah, so countless peer reviewed studies of the FDC approved vaccine is still suspect, but a 'small pilot study' is good enough?
Follow me here, Froggy...try to keep up. Nothing I've said or posted was in reference to whether or not it's an effective treatment. Stay with me here, Froggy. Stay with me. It's all been calling out your ignorance of the drug you're incapable of understanding is used in treatment of people.CondensedFoggyAggie said:aTm2004 said:
Keep spouting your ignorance.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34466270/Quote:
In 2015, the Nobel Committee for Physiology or Medicine, in its only award for treatments of infectious diseases since six decades prior, honoured the discovery of ivermectin (IVM), a multifaceted drug deployed against some of the world's most devastating tropical diseases.
Oh hey! The "We didn't do any of that double blind randomized trial with control groups at all, or anything close to it, but we think they took ivermectin so that must be it!" Not to mention death rates stayed the same for 3 whole months, above 500 per day before going down. And that's because of Ivermectin? Hahahaha
Never mind Peru actually reversed its inclusion of ivermectin in national coronavirus treatment guidelines this year.
Buddy, any other 'paper' that observes at least the basic statistical principles when studying whether a treatment works or not?
Understand that, BC?
COVID****: LOL! Dummies taking a non-FDA approved horse paste.CondensedFoggyAggie said:Gumby said:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/clinical-trials-hope-to-study-the-long-term-effects-of-ivermectin/ar-AANUhZ9
Oxford University's website describes the study and the drug itself: "Small pilot studies show that early administration with Ivermectin can reduce viral load and the duration of symptoms in some patients with mild COVID-19."
Ah, so countless peer reviewed studies of the FDC approved vaccine is still suspect, but a 'small pilot study' is good enough?
Also COVID**** from January - August: YOU NEED TO TAKE THIS SAFE AND EFFECTIVE VACCINE!!!!
aTm2004 said:Follow me here, Froggy...try to keep up. Nothing I've said or posted was in reference to whether or not it's an effective treatment. Stay with me here, Froggy. Stay with me. It's all been calling out your ignorance of the drug you're incapable of understanding is used in treatment of people.CondensedFoggyAggie said:aTm2004 said:
Keep spouting your ignorance.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34466270/Quote:
In 2015, the Nobel Committee for Physiology or Medicine, in its only award for treatments of infectious diseases since six decades prior, honoured the discovery of ivermectin (IVM), a multifaceted drug deployed against some of the world's most devastating tropical diseases.
Oh hey! The "We didn't do any of that double blind randomized trial with control groups at all, or anything close to it, but we think they took ivermectin so that must be it!" Not to mention death rates stayed the same for 3 whole months, above 500 per day before going down. And that's because of Ivermectin? Hahahaha
Never mind Peru actually reversed its inclusion of ivermectin in national coronavirus treatment guidelines this year.
Buddy, any other 'paper' that observes at least the basic statistical principles when studying whether a treatment works or not?
Understand that, BC?
So, anything else to add other than the fraud paper you didn't read nor understand?
Did the scientist who discovered Ivermectin receive a Nobel Peace Prize for the discovery?CondensedFoggyAggie said:aTm2004 said:Follow me here, Froggy...try to keep up. Nothing I've said or posted was in reference to whether or not it's an effective treatment. Stay with me here, Froggy. Stay with me. It's all been calling out your ignorance of the drug you're incapable of understanding is used in treatment of people.CondensedFoggyAggie said:aTm2004 said:
Keep spouting your ignorance.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34466270/Quote:
In 2015, the Nobel Committee for Physiology or Medicine, in its only award for treatments of infectious diseases since six decades prior, honoured the discovery of ivermectin (IVM), a multifaceted drug deployed against some of the world's most devastating tropical diseases.
Oh hey! The "We didn't do any of that double blind randomized trial with control groups at all, or anything close to it, but we think they took ivermectin so that must be it!" Not to mention death rates stayed the same for 3 whole months, above 500 per day before going down. And that's because of Ivermectin? Hahahaha
Never mind Peru actually reversed its inclusion of ivermectin in national coronavirus treatment guidelines this year.
Buddy, any other 'paper' that observes at least the basic statistical principles when studying whether a treatment works or not?
Understand that, BC?
So, anything else to add other than the fraud paper you didn't read nor understand?
Yes:
No:
CondensedFoggyAggie said:Gumby said:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/clinical-trials-hope-to-study-the-long-term-effects-of-ivermectin/ar-AANUhZ9
Oxford University's website describes the study and the drug itself: "Small pilot studies show that early administration with Ivermectin can reduce viral load and the duration of symptoms in some patients with mild COVID-19."
Ah, so countless peer reviewed studies of the FDC approved vaccine is still suspect, but a 'small pilot study' is good enough?
Where did I say anything about the vaccine. I'm fully vaccinated. Projection much?
Where can people get that shot? You know, the one that takes away their appetite, makes them crave working out and you only need to take it every 6 months but are protected from fat?DFWTLR said:bay fan said:
Please develop a quick vaccine. Pretty sure anyone who battles their weight would happily take it and a booster as often as needed. Keep your life insurance up to date.
Already invented, don't eat/drink so much and exercise.
Also, since so many people are concerned with the problem of weight in the US, perhaps the staff can make a board for those of you who come here only wanting to discuss weight? You f16 folks could then hang out there and not feel compelled to spew on every thread here.
bay fan said:Where can people get that shot? You know, the one that takes away their appetite, makes them crave working out and you only need to take it every 6 months but are protected from fat?DFWTLR said:bay fan said:
Please develop a quick vaccine. Pretty sure anyone who battles their weight would happily take it and a booster as often as needed. Keep your life insurance up to date.
Also, since so many people are concerned with the problem of weight in the US, perhaps the staff can make a board for those of you who come here only wanting to discuss weight? You f16 folks could then hang out there and not feel compelled to spew on every thread here.
Bay fan, ask your doctor about topimarate. It's a migraine med that works extremely well for weight loss. I know several people that loss 30+ pounds on it.
There is also an injection you can get that reduces your appetite. I believe it was originally a diabetes treatment but it works amazingly well.
I'm not being sarcastic. You can definitely get effective and safe treatments for obesity.
This is the closest thing we have to a vaccine for obesity and it definitely works.
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-new-drug-treatment-chronic-weight-management-first-2014
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-new-drug-treatment-chronic-weight-management-first-2014
Let me guess, a huge percentage of these unvaccinated persons in the hospital are overweight?
NicosMachine said:
Let me guess, I huge percentage of these unvaccinated persons in the hospital are overweight?
Yes, most likely. Fat people that should have been vaccinated.
If I needed it I would. If the treatments you mention were as safe as this vaccine, I suspect every overweight person would do it. I am just sick of the hate being spewed by unvaccinated folks towards those with weight problems. It's classic deflection and it fills every.single.thread. Doesn't matter when docs chime and and slowly and clearly explain the difference, it's still constant deflection.Gumby said:bay fan said:Where can people get that shot? You know, the one that takes away their appetite, makes them crave working out and you only need to take it every 6 months but are protected from fat?DFWTLR said:bay fan said:
Please develop a quick vaccine. Pretty sure anyone who battles their weight would happily take it and a booster as often as needed. Keep your life insurance up to date.
Also, since so many people are concerned with the problem of weight in the US, perhaps the staff can make a board for those of you who come here only wanting to discuss weight? You f16 folks could then hang out there and not feel compelled to spew on every thread here.
Bay fan, ask your doctor about topimarate. It's a migraine med that works extremely well for weight loss. I know several people that loss 30+ pounds on it.
There is also an injection you can get that reduces your appetite. I believe it was originally a diabetes treatment but it works amazingly well.
I'm not being sarcastic. You can definitely get effective and safe treatments for obesity.
Those treatments are probably safer than the vaccines. I don't think anyone had gotten blood clots or myocarditis and died from them. I know several people who used them to lose weight and had no side effects. If you really want to lose weight you should do something about it.
And I'm fully vaccinated but frustrated with obese people who refuse to take action that would reduce the burden on our health care system and save lives. Similar to how you feel about people who won't take a simple shot. These weight loss treatments are also simple and easy.
And I'm fully vaccinated but frustrated with obese people who refuse to take action that would reduce the burden on our health care system and save lives. Similar to how you feel about people who won't take a simple shot. These weight loss treatments are also simple and easy.
The "I don't know someone who., but I do know someone who." response holds as much water as my I don't know anyone who has had serious side effects from the vaccine, but I know several people who have died from Covid and many more who have been hospitalized from Covid.
I'm not arguing against weight loss and a heathy lifestyle by any means and I've increased my weight loss efforts since Covid began, moving from obese to overweight. I do wonder why none of my doctors has ever suggested anything like what you've suggested and plan to send a message asking about them soon. I've been working on this weight loss for a long time, but it certainly hasn't been as easy as many people on here claim.
I'm not arguing against weight loss and a heathy lifestyle by any means and I've increased my weight loss efforts since Covid began, moving from obese to overweight. I do wonder why none of my doctors has ever suggested anything like what you've suggested and plan to send a message asking about them soon. I've been working on this weight loss for a long time, but it certainly hasn't been as easy as many people on here claim.
The drugs mentioned above are not necessarily for weight loss but have that side effect. Topiramate is for migraines and epilepsy, yet has appetite suppression as a side effect.
For drugs like that, doctors will be hesitant to prescribe it unless you are morbidly obese. The other side effects sound pretty unpleasant.
The reason you have to have these discussions with your doctor is the risks associated with the treatment need to be weighed (pardon the pun) against the risks of just dealing with the weight in traditional manners.
For drugs like that, doctors will be hesitant to prescribe it unless you are morbidly obese. The other side effects sound pretty unpleasant.
The reason you have to have these discussions with your doctor is the risks associated with the treatment need to be weighed (pardon the pun) against the risks of just dealing with the weight in traditional manners.
Sorry about your aunt, and there are a few vaccinated breakthrough cases in the hospital; however the OP pointed out that if we had a much higher vaccination rate then the hospitals would not be overrun as the unvaccinated make up over 90% of hospitalizations for COVID right now. This is just a fact and I have confirmed it as I have talked with many physicians across the state and all of them say their hospital ICU units are overrun and almost all in there are unvaccinated. Also much younger than in past surges.aTm2004 said:My vaccinated aunt has been in the hospital since last Thursday due to COVID pneumonia. I'll let her know you think she's an awful person for being there while someone needs a kidney.wbt5845 said:
Wife didn't have ICU space for transplant recipient post surgery. Other hospitals in area same boat.
Finally got ICU to set up and care for patient IN the OR post surgery. With so little space, a lot of procedures are being cancelled and room could be set aside for a day.
Until they get another kidney.
I know it's heartless, but the unvaxxed are really causing a lot of unnecessary issues for hospitals.
You people are insane and the self-righteousness you have is unmatched. Have you consulted your physician about the beatings you're giving your back?
When we were down, and we would come to Lubbock, you people would treat us like kings.-Paul Stanley of KISS
I got news for you, topamax or topiramate has many safety issues. In fact its adverse events are worse. The most common is right angle or narrow angle glaucoma which can cause permanent blindness. It is rare but its incidence is higher than myocarditis in the vaccines. The ignorance about safety of drugs on this board is crazy, people believe what they want to. All drugs have safety issues and the current COVID vaccines have some of the best safety profile of anything out there. The vaccine hesitant are just willfully ignorant.Gumby said:
Those treatments are probably safer than the vaccines. I don't think anyone had gotten blood clots or myocarditis and died from them. I know several people who used them to lose weight and had no side effects. If you really want to lose weight you should do something about it.
And I'm fully vaccinated but frustrated with obese people who refuse to take action that would reduce the burden on our health care system and save lives. Similar to how you feel about people who won't take a simple shot. These weight loss treatments are also simple and easy.
Also a very common side effect with Topamax is brain fog, the saying used to be Topamax will make you skinny and stupid. The brain fog happens in up to 50% of people on it.
When we were down, and we would come to Lubbock, you people would treat us like kings.-Paul Stanley of KISS
Gumby said:bay fan said:Where can people get that shot? You know, the one that takes away their appetite, makes them crave working out and you only need to take it every 6 months but are protected from fat?DFWTLR said:bay fan said:
Please develop a quick vaccine. Pretty sure anyone who battles their weight would happily take it and a booster as often as needed. Keep your life insurance up to date.
Also, since so many people are concerned with the problem of weight in the US, perhaps the staff can make a board for those of you who come here only wanting to discuss weight? You f16 folks could then hang out there and not feel compelled to spew on every thread here.
Bay fan, ask your doctor about topimarate. It's a migraine med that works extremely well for weight loss. I know several people that loss 30+ pounds on it.
There is also an injection you can get that reduces your appetite. I believe it was originally a diabetes treatment but it works amazingly well.
I'm not being sarcastic. You can definitely get effective and safe treatments for obesity.
So, let's see
you think a shot ( https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-new-drug-treatment-chronic-weight-management-first-2014 )
that
* has to be taken *weekly*
* that *might* help you by 14% (but only IF you also diet and exercise)
and
*can cause inflammation of the pancreas (pancreatitis), gallbladder problems (including gallstones), low blood sugar, acute kidney injury, diabetic retinopathy (damage to the eye's retina), increased heart rate and suicidal behavior or thinking
Is a no brainer compared to the covid vaccine?
What do you really think the reaction would be to the covid vaccine if this was the info for it?
- a weekly shot
- might help you by 14% if you wear a mask and social distance (not at all if you don't)
- has all those side effects
Seriously?
And this one:
https://www.drugs.com/medical-answers/topiramate-weight-loss-3555918/
First of all, it barely works
"In general, weight loss was seen in 6% to 17% of patients, and tended to increase with higher doses"
And to get to the 17% chance you have to take at least 200mg DAILY!
Plus the side effects (particularly for the higher doses): 21% of patients stopped treatment due to difficulty with memory, fatigue, asthenia (weakness), insomnia (difficulty sleeping), somnolence (extreme drowsiness), and paresthesia (pins and needles or tingling feeling in extremities).
In fact, the downsides for that one are so bad compared to its effectiveness it's only recommended if you also have a health condition like high blood pressure, high cholesterol or type 2 diabetes.
Yeah, my doctor hasn't recommended any of that stuff. I have no other health conditions. I'm barely over the BMI for obesity. When she and I looked at the side effects there was no way I was doing it, and she didn't really want me to do it.
I started a fasting protocol at the beginning of the pandemic. I only eat one meal a day. I've lost 10 lbs in the year. Weight loss is very difficult. There is no shot or easy solution. It's a struggle daily. Stop acting like there's any kind of equivalence between not being vaccinated and being overweight.
If I’m posting, it’s actually Mrs GeographyAg.
Mr. GeographyAg is a dedicated lurker.
Mr. GeographyAg is a dedicated lurker.
And bypass surgery is no silver bullet either. I almost had it when I was 300 lbs but was talked out of it. Lot of nasty side effects.
No, best way is the way I e described time and again. And it takes time and dedication. The vaccine takes neither.
No, best way is the way I e described time and again. And it takes time and dedication. The vaccine takes neither.
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