Delta changed the game. Let's see what happens since school just started.

I do believe that is discussed. Did you read the article(s)

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School just started. We will see about masks and whether they work or not rather quickly.

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This has been going for over 18 months. What do you need to see? There are countries that never closed schools and never wore masks. They were fine. Here in the US, some places wore masks, others didn't. Guess what? The kids were fine without them. Slapping masks on kids is just the first step on a slippery slope toward shutting down sports, clubs, and schools again. Plus the obvious developmental and social problems for forcing masks on kids.

There weren't as many kids in school last year than this year. And Delta is way more transmissible.

Again we shall see.

Did you read the article?

Find the thread where I said that. And find the thread where I was asked. I'll gladly tell you who they were(grand aunt and uncle) and where they lived, (the Valley)

And also point out to me where I was asking for sympathy for them? I'm not lying. Bless your heart, sock

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Did you read the article?

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I guess not.

Masking does not do a damn thing. People were getting tired of it, so the leftists like Jenkins and Dora shifted their attention to "saving the children" in order to bring it back. Now they are going through a political charade that will end with the Texas Supreme Court putting them in their place. Just a game to get their face (in Jenkins' case, his botox lizard face) on TV and in the news as the savior of the children against those mean neanderthal Republicans.


I was in Northpark in Dallas last weekend and saw a guy and his 5 year old. the 5 year old was double masked. What in God's name is wrong with these idiots???

I did.

The effort was based off of a study that was done pre-delta.

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Children are less likely to have severe disease from SARS-CoV-2, and when infected less likely to be symptomatic, which correlates with lower contagiousness. Those facts alone may account for part of the reason why the Georgia study found no clear benefit for a masking requirement for kids in schools. Though the CDC says that layered mitigation in schools is effective, without studying each of the layers individually, it cannot know which of those measures work, and to what degree, and which don't. For example, several experts told me, it's entirely possible that open windows or fresh-air ventilation accounts for nearly all the mitigation benefit in a classroom and other "layered" interventions may contribute only a marginal benefit or none at all.

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I honestly don't have a dog in the fight since my kid isn't in high school anymore. But conditions are different now than they were last fall. Delta is more contagious and no one is social distancing. I think there will be a lot to learn about how certain parts of the country faired versus others when it's all said and done.

I can't imagine having a small child having to wear a mask. It would suck for them. I don't envy you parents of little kids at all.

Then you would know that your EXACT argument was brought up in the article. It is not a sound argument.

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Many experts I spoke with told me that while the Delta variant represents a major and concerning new development in the Covid pandemic, it probably shouldn't change our thinking on a mask requirement for schools.)

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A common argument right now is that the emergence of the Delta variant changes everything. Currently, some regions of the U.S. are seeing a surge of infections and hospitalizations among young people. But the numbers coming out of Britain continue to suggest that Delta is not more virulent that is, it does not cause more severe illness on an individual basis to unvaccinated people despite being more contagious. A pediatric immunologist at a major university hospital who was not authorized to speak publicly said, "It is not biologically plausible that the same variant somehow is more dangerous for kids in the U.S. than it is in the U.K."

More broadly, Schecter-Perkins said, "I don't think that Delta changes the calculus because it still seems clear that it doesn't cause more severe disease, so it still doesn't change the fundamental question of 'What are we trying to achieve by masking kids when they are still extremely unlikely to suffer from severe illness or death if infected?'

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Delta is also significantly less deadly, roughly a .1% death rate

Putting a mask on a small child is abhorrent. No one HAS to, they choose to.

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There weren't as many kids in school last year than this year. And Delta is way more transmissible.

Again we shall see.

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See what? What are you going to be able to surmise about what you see after school starts?

Rise in cases? Masks don't work?

No rise in cases? Masks work?

Neither can be proven since there are plenty of other variables in play. For instance, one could argue that masks worked last school year when they didn't have large outbreaks. Perhaps masks made no difference and it was more due to smaller numbers, distancing, increased disinfecting by cleaning staff, frequent washing of hands and sanitizing.

I do find it interesting that some of the masks/vaccine proponents are willing to rely on anecdotal evidence when it suits their argument, but want to see long term studies to even suggest that something like Ivermectin might work based on the same kind of anecdotal evidence.

So noone has a counter argument for masking children, besides DELTA? So we all agree the masks should be taken off of America's children?

Media ite opinion article with links FYI Mediaite is not a right/left wing site. It is all things media related.

"Despite an unprecedented amount of potential data from which to choose, there is still simply no real-world data to justify mask mandates in general, and school mandates in particular (it cannot be overstated how totally overwhelming the real-world evidence in favor of masks would be by now if it actually existed). "

Masking kids in school is about politicians, school administrators and health officials covering their backsides and avoiding blame for not "doing something." That's it. Most of them might actually believe masks on kids in schools are effective for slowing the spread, but that is only because they want to believe it, not because is it based on facts or data. The CDC recommends it is not sufficient for me, they won't show an analysis either. Their justification is because the vaccines aren't approved for kids under 12. Another example of "gotta do something"

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Media ite opinion article with links FYI Mediaite is not a right/left wing site. It is all things media related.

"Despite an unprecedented amount of potential data from which to choose, there is still simply no real-world data to justify mask mandates in general, and school mandates in particular (it cannot be overstated how totally overwhelming the real-world evidence in favor of masks would be by now if it actually existed). "

Masking kids in school is about politicians, school administrators and health officials covering their backsides and avoiding blame for not "doing something." That's it. Most of them might actually believe masks on kids in schools are effective for slowing the spread, but that is only because they want to believe it, not because is it based on facts or data. The CDC recommends it is not sufficient for me, they won't show an analysis either. Their justification is because the vaccines aren't approved for kids under 12. Another example of "gotta do something"

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Some of the moms I'm friends with are absolutely going BSC over this. And it's spot on.

Thanks for posting that. Reading it now. President just said there are 2 tools to keep your kids safe, everyone else vaccinated and having kids wear masks whenever they leave the house. Kindly GFY.

Yep.

Another strike against mask mandates.

Another data point to show their uselessness.

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Charpie said:

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School just started. We will see about masks and whether they work or not rather quickly.

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https://www.kut.org/covid-19/2021-08-24/williamson-county-recommends-leander-isd-closes-schools-as-covid-19-cases-rise

Here's an anecdotal whopper for you

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411 cases out of 42,000 students is 0.97%. And not all 411 are students. Across 44 campuses.

This hysteria is weapons grade stupid.

Roy Kent is kinda like covid 19


Covid's here, covids's there, covid's every ****ing where, covid-19, covid-19


Also, the double mask thing was a joke.

I didn't realize there were caveats on the threads people could participate in. If I'm violating some terms of service, please flag all my posts on this thread.

I don't know what the answer is. But kids are getting Covid. My wife is treating babies to middle age teens. The ICU is full. Not just Covid. But Covid isn't helping.