Double Diamond said:

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So just let things rage?

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It would rage, mask or no mask.

Besides, Texas Supreme Court just sided with Abbott to ban mask mandates.

That is BS

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.20.21262349v1

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Conclusions Implementing, adhering to and evaluating COVID-19 mitigation guidelines is challenging in primary school settings. Our findings suggest that reducing non-household direct contacts lowers infection rates. There was no evidence that face coverings, 2-metre social distancing or stopping children mixing was associated with lower odds of COVID-19 or cold infection rates in the school. Primary school staff found teaching challenging during COVID-19 restrictions, especially for younger learners and those with additional learning needs.

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BuT mUh DeLtA

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When asked when kids can remove masks in school, CDC director Rochelle Walensky said, "If our children are vaccinated, we have full vaccination in schools, we have full vaccination in teachers, we have disease rates that are low I think then we can start thinking about how we can loosen up."

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Hence why I am against mandates. Granted, this is another example of a terrible CDC answer where too much seems to lean towards the absolute dragging of heals before a mandate would be removed. A better answer would be something to the effect of, "look, I hate wearing a mask in public as much as the next guy and understand those opposed to it, but I see the need to wear one FOR THE IMMEDIATE future and within a few days to weeks of the spike dropping enough to be comfortable, discussing and even completely removing the mask mandate for places that are not in high risk. We do not intend to push masking any longer than we'd have to"

Why they can't just say it similar to that is beyond me. There is a reason many of us are very uncomfortable with a masking mandate. It's very much in the messaging and lack of understanding from certain folks in the medical community who refuse to acknowledge that a very very large portion of society is against masking mandates and masking in general.

Someone who thinks kids wearing masks does something has never spent much time around kids required to wear masks in school. They're kids. It doesn't matter what your policy says, they hardly keep them on their face and when they do it isn't correctly. And it's a hindrance to education. Even if they did, they aren't after school when they hang out with all their friends. The entire thing is a joke of political theater in the name of doing something. There isn't any data showing any benefit in schools below junior high.

Maybe if public schools pretended to care this much about actually educating children they wouldn't have the problems they do.

Might not be so "worthless" after all. Three of the state's biggest ISDs have mask mandates yet aren't on this list.

Conspicuous by their absence:
-Houston (@HoustonISD),
-Dallas (@dallasschools), and
-Austin (@AustinISD)… https://t.co/prLJA1Uzyb

— Harry Thomas (@DrHarryThomas) August 30, 2021

Correlarion does not equal causation

That's ironic since you agreed with nortex97's post on this page, and your "correlation does not equal causation" statement is much more applicable to that set of data from Japan

I find it funny they have to suggest that the numbers aren't as high as last year but conveniently don't mention many schools were virtual last year.

gunan01 said:

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That's ironic since you agreed with nortex97's post on this page, and your "correlation does not equal causation" statement is much more applicable to that set of data from Japan

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Why? If mask mandates work we should see little to no infections in places with mask mandates.


We don't.

I have posted several articles with loads of information that proves masks do not do anything at all, yet not one person has posted date that refutes it. You can play gotcha all you want but the verifiable fact of the matter is that masking children is not only worthless at stopping covid, it is detrimental to children.

On top of that, how is it so hard for people to understand that if you aren't wearing PPE properly, it is useless, and NOONE wears masks properly.

Luckily the Supreme Court will be rule for merits on the Travis county case next week and masks in schools will be distant memory.

Do you see less infections in places with mask mandates?

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Do you see less infections in places with mask mandates?

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Sometimes yes and sometimes no.

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Might not be so "worthless" after all. Three of the state's biggest ISDs have mask mandates yet aren't on this list.

Conspicuous by their absence:
-Houston (@HoustonISD),
-Dallas (@dallasschools), and
-Austin (@AustinISD)… https://t.co/prLJA1Uzyb

— Harry Thomas (@DrHarryThomas) August 30, 2021

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I just pulled up the data. For Dallas ISD, 164 of 236 campuses that did not report at all and the data for another 17 has been suppressed. Not reported zero, did not report anything (blanks in the Excel document). Of those, I personally know that cases amongst both students and staff existed in at least two of them (Bryan Adams High School and J.L. Long Middle School). I then picked Corpus Christi ISD at random from this list and totaled the number of "New Student Cases" to check the math. The tweet says 851, the data says 60. In fact, the grand total for all cases in the data is 120 - including both students and staff. The 851 number is listed in the row "Corpus Christi ISD Total."

In both cases - Dallas and Corpus - there are a number of campuses for which data has been suppressed. Here is the logic behind what is suppressed:

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Single-campus student cases are suppressed when (1) reported student cases are 1-4,(2) a campus has at least a 90% student positivity rate when campus enrollment for a school is at least 15 students, or (3) a campus has at least a 50% positivity rate when campus enrollment has fewer than 15 students. Source of infection number are suppressed when student cases are suppressed. Cumulative student cases for a campus are suppressed when(1) student cases are 1-4, or (2) current report numbers have been 1-4 for the any of the first three weeks that student cases are reported. If there is only one campus reporting in a district and it is a multiple campus, student and source of infection numbers are not suppressed for the district total. Otherwise, district totals are suppressed when (1) student cases are 1-4, or (2) a district has at least a 90% student positivity rate when total district enrollment is least 15 students, or, (3) a district has at least a 50% positivity rate when total district enrollment has fewer than 15 students, or (4) cases on a campus have been 1-4 for any of the first three weeks that student cases are reported and there are fewer than 5 campuses reporting in a district (5) if, for the current reporting period, the number of suppressed campuses equals the number of suppressed student cases for those campuses reported within the district or (6) there is only one campus within the district with suppressed student cases.

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Not sure what the logic is behind suppressing that data, but it essentially means that the ISD totals are black boxes that you cannot tie back to individual campus data. Touting this to support the proposition that masks are keeping numbers down is misleading - at best.