I urge everyone with children to read this and please use it to make a decision with the information provided on whether to put a mask on your children or not. IMO there is no reason to do so and thst it is detrimental to children and not beneficial and I hope several will come to the same conclusion.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/08/the-science-of-masking-kids-at-school-remains-uncertain.html

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Children are less likely to have severe disease from SARS-CoV-2, and when infected less likely to be symptomatic, which correlates with lower contagiousness. Those facts alone may account for part of the reason why the Georgia study found no clear benefit for a masking requirement for kids in schools.

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And the part of the article that was extremely upsetting, is that the people thst are driving policy have no realistic end in sight to these mandates.

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When asked when kids can remove masks in school, CDC director Rochelle Walensky said, "If our children are vaccinated, we have full vaccination in schools, we have full vaccination in teachers, we have disease rates that are low I think then we can start thinking about how we can loosen up."

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Much of the policy on many aspects of this CV cluster are in the "kick the can down the road" camp

CDC sticking it's nose in the eviction business
Masks
Boosters
FDA approval

Everything is made up as they go; remarkable really

I dont recall if it was this article or another, but one discussed the CDC burying the info that there was no statistical significance in the difference between masks and no masks for kids in one of their own studies. They then made the mask recommendation.

It is my opinion that it is completely wrong to make children wear masks and it is very disturbing thst people not only want their kids to wear them, they want to force my kids to wear them as well, which flies in the face of all of the information we have on the 'benefits' of masking kids.

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I dont recall if it was this article or another, but one discussed the CDC burying the info that there was no statistical significance in the difference between masks and no masks for kids in one of their own studies. They then made the mask recommendation.

It is my opinion that it is completely wrong to make children wear masks and it is very disturbing thst people not only want their kids to wear them, they want to force my kids to wear them as well, which flies in the face of all of the information we have on the 'benefits' of masking kids.

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So the flip side to that is that the best way to keep kids safe is for all the adults to get vaccinated.

Yes that is one conclusion that the article comes to whether rightly or wrongly idk. They said that covid cases in kids was a function of community cases. As we are seeing now the vaccines dont necessarily work as great as anticipated. I dont think there can be an honest conversation kn that until it is recognized that those with natural antibodies are also taken in to account.

Either way, there is no statistically significant benefit of masking and as you will read in the article, it can be detrimental to children on other levels. There is zero reason to put a mask on your children.

You can't just pick what parts of the study you'd like to believe.

If all the adults were vaccinated, kids wouldn't be getting infected. And yet the places most against wearing masks are the places least likely to all be vaccinated.

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I dont recall if it was this article or another, but one discussed the CDC burying the info that there was no statistical significance in the difference between masks and no masks for kids in one of their own studies. They then made the mask recommendation.

It is my opinion that it is completely wrong to make children wear masks and it is very disturbing thst people not only want their kids to wear them, they want to force my kids to wear them as well, which flies in the face of all of the information we have on the 'benefits' of masking kids.

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So the flip side to that is that the best way to keep kids safe is for all the adults to get vaccinated.

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There is no need to keep kids safe if we're talking about covid

I didn't pick something I dont believe, I stated that I dont think there can be an honest conversation on thst until those with natural antibodies are also considered.

I'm not here to debate the merits of vaccination. I couldn't care less about that. I care about people forcing theirs and others kids to do something that is unnecessary and may be harmful to them.

Cool. You win 100 internet points for being a badass. Unfortunately there are probably 300 million Americans who disagree with you. And that's where public policy needs to meet some sort of reality

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Cool. You win 100 internet points for being a badass. Unfortunately there are probably 300 million Americans who disagree with you. And that's where public policy needs to meet some sort of reality

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This is false. Maybe half that number.

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Cool. You win 100 internet points for being a badass. Unfortunately there are probably 300 million Americans who disagree with you. And that's where public policy needs to meet some sort of reality

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According to Dallas County, there have been two deaths under 17 years old of/with covid since the very beginning. Two. More than likely they were already very ill.

Next time respond with facts to support an argument. Not an ad hominem followed by a stat you made up on the spot and is irrelevant anyway because believing something doesn't make it true. Children don't need to be kept safe from covid.

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I urge everyone with children to read this and please use it to make a decision with the information provided on whether to put a mask on your children or not. IMO there is no reason to do so and thst it is detrimental to children and not beneficial and I hope several will come to the same conclusion.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/08/the-science-of-masking-kids-at-school-remains-uncertain.html

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Children are less likely to have severe disease from SARS-CoV-2, and when infected less likely to be symptomatic, which correlates with lower contagiousness. Those facts alone may account for part of the reason why the Georgia study found no clear benefit for a masking requirement for kids in schools.

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And the part of the article that was extremely upsetting, is that the people thst are driving policy have no realistic end in sight to these mandates.

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When asked when kids can remove masks in school, CDC director Rochelle Walensky said, "If our children are vaccinated, we have full vaccination in schools, we have full vaccination in teachers, we have disease rates that are low I think then we can start thinking about how we can loosen up."

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Kids are pretty much the driver right now for the virus spreading.

I am not worried about the safety of my kid but I understand that if we want our kids in school in large groups with parents whose situations we don't understand we may need to take some precautions to keep the virus from getting to the at risk populations.

can you provide more information on that because that flies in the face of everything i have seen so far.

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can you provide more information on that because that flies in the face of everything i have seen so far.

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It's been all over the news and I'm also speaking from a personal experience. We had at least a couple kids at school test positive, now my whole family and I got it. I also know of 3 other parents that believe they got it from their kids from the school.

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can you provide more information on that because that flies in the face of everything i have seen so far.

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It's been all over the news and I'm also speaking from a personal experience. We had at least a couple kids at school test positive, now my whole family got and I got it. I also know of 3 other parents that believe they got it from their kids from the school.

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im sorry but i can not accept what you have seen on the news and an anecdotal story as evidence that children are the primary driver of the latest cases.

Translation: there is no data showing kids are the driving factor in transmission but it sounds scary, just like Clay Jenkins lying about children in ICU

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Translation: there is no data showing kids are the driving factor in transmission but it sounds scary, just like Clay Jenkins lying about children in ICU

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Some of you seem very happy to have your head in the sand. Do me a favor and go talk to a nurse or dr. And figure out if we have a crisis or not. Don't read about, actually go find out for yourselves.

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can you provide more information on that because that flies in the face of everything i have seen so far.

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It's been all over the news and I'm also speaking from a personal experience. We had at least a couple kids at school test positive, now my whole family and I got it. I also know of 3 other parents that believe they got it from their kids from the school.

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I assume you advocated for masks during flu season in prior years?

Then show me. Show me that children are driving the spread. Show me Dallas County is lying that about one person per year under 17 has died of/with covid. Facts. Let's see them.

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Yet

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Ok? So any evidence any of that will change? No? Ok.

We also haven't been wiped out by a meteor. Yet.

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Then show me. Show me that children are driving the spread. Show me Dallas County is lying that about one person per year under 17 has died of/with covid. Facts. Let's see them.

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I agree it's not dangerous to children.

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can you provide more information on that because that flies in the face of everything i have seen so far.

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It's been all over the news and I'm also speaking from a personal experience. We had at least a couple kids at school test positive, now my whole family and I got it. I also know of 3 other parents that believe they got it from their kids from the school.

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I assume you advocated for masks during flu season in prior years?

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Of course not. The flu has never filled up our hospitals that I remember.

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can you provide more information on that because that flies in the face of everything i have seen so far.

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It's been all over the news and I'm also speaking from a personal experience. We had at least a couple kids at school test positive, now my whole family and I got it. I also know of 3 other parents that believe they got it from their kids from the school.

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I assume you advocated for masks during flu season in prior years?

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Of course not. The flu has never filled up our hospitals that I remember.

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Are you sure about that?

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can you provide more information on that because that flies in the face of everything i have seen so far.

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It's been all over the news and I'm also speaking from a personal experience. We had at least a couple kids at school test positive, now my whole family got and I got it. I also know of 3 other parents that believe they got it from their kids from the school.

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im sorry but i can not accept what you have seen on the news and an anecdotal story as evidence that children are the primary driver of the latest cases.

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Nobody said you have to.

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no but you made the assertion and then did not back it up.

This thread is about kids in masks. I can not figure out any way in which it is a good idea.

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Then show me. Show me that children are driving the spread. Show me Dallas County is lying that about one person per year under 17 has died of/with covid. Facts. Let's see them.

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I agree it's not dangerous to children.

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And you advocated for masks during prior flu seasons. You're opinion is losing value fast.

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I did not.

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You should have

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This is like communicating with my 7 year old.

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I urge everyone with children to read this and please use it to make a decision with the information provided on whether to put a mask on your children or not. IMO there is no reason to do so and thst it is detrimental to children and not beneficial and I hope several will come to the same conclusion.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/08/the-science-of-masking-kids-at-school-remains-uncertain.html

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Children are less likely to have severe disease from SARS-CoV-2, and when infected less likely to be symptomatic, which correlates with lower contagiousness. Those facts alone may account for part of the reason why the Georgia study found no clear benefit for a masking requirement for kids in schools.

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And the part of the article that was extremely upsetting, is that the people thst are driving policy have no realistic end in sight to these mandates.

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When asked when kids can remove masks in school, CDC director Rochelle Walensky said, "If our children are vaccinated, we have full vaccination in schools, we have full vaccination in teachers, we have disease rates that are low I think then we can start thinking about how we can loosen up."

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My son is entering kindergarten in a couple of weeks and it's likely that mask will be mandated across all NY schools

I am livid

If my children have to wear masks for any extended period of time I'm seriously considering moving to a state that will not have mask mandates for schools

I am starting a new job that is remote do I now have that flexibility

The problem is convincing my wife to move

She doesn't want to leave her parents

They are retired I say take them with us


NY in general, sucks as a state

Did you read that article? Was the data presented in the studies not good enough to convince you? If not, what would it take?

Here is another article discussing more studies.

https://polimath.substack.com/p/the-case-against-masks-in-schools?justPublished=true