Sandman98 said:

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Candidly we're agonizing over this for our 13 and 14 year old boys. Daughter is 17 and T1D so she's vaxxed.

1) Even the mention of the potential for autoimmune responses to the vax has us spooked (especially having a T1D sister)

2) this seems less than ideal

Teen boys are 14 TIMES more likely to experience rare heart inflammation after receiving Covid vaccine https://t.co/DmX4tEkMDp

— Daily Mail Online (@MailOnline) August 11, 2021

Edit: both are fit and active but 13 had allergy induced asthma as a kid that he appears to have outgrown. Two hospital stays as a youngster but hasn't needed even a puffer in a few years.

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According to your link, the incidence rate of myocarditis in vaccinated teens is 6.3 per 100k. Meanwhile the hospitalization rate for the same age group has fluctuated between 0.6 and 2.1 per 100k per CDC.

Ag Natural said:

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raging_agaholic said:

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My three boys (9,12,14) all got it and bounced back in 2-3 days with nothing more than Tylenol. Vaccinating kids is pointless, the best way to confer immunity is via host infection.

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I wouldn't say its pointless. Kids spread the virus to the rest of our unvaxxed holdouts. Anything we can do to stop the proliferation without having to add restrictions should be done IMO.

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According to the CDC vaccinated individual also spread the virus. So this is not a reason to vaccinate children.

Fenrir said:

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Sandman98 said:

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Candidly we're agonizing over this for our 13 and 14 year old boys. Daughter is 17 and T1D so she's vaxxed.

1) Even the mention of the potential for autoimmune responses to the vax has us spooked (especially having a T1D sister)

2) this seems less than ideal

Teen boys are 14 TIMES more likely to experience rare heart inflammation after receiving Covid vaccine https://t.co/DmX4tEkMDp

— Daily Mail Online (@MailOnline) August 11, 2021

Edit: both are fit and active but 13 had allergy induced asthma as a kid that he appears to have outgrown. Two hospital stays as a youngster but hasn't needed even a puffer in a few years.

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According to your link, the incidence rate of myocarditis in vaccinated teens is 6.3 per 100k. Meanwhile the hospitalization rate for the same age group has fluctuated between 0.6 and 2.1 per 100k per CDC.

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just to clarify, that 6.3 per 100k is a one time risk, and the 0.6-2.1 per 100k is a weekly risk. To better compare, the 12-17 age group had cumulative a risk of being hospitalized from COVID of 50.3 per 100k over the previous 52 weeks.

edit: comparing rates of hospitalizations to rates of confirmed infection for that age group over the last 52 weeks, there was a 0.768% hospitalization rate for confirmed infections. So based on the numbers, a teen boy is 8 times more likely to end up in the hospital from covid over a given 1 year period than he is to get myocarditis from the vaccine. if he gets covid, he is 120 times more likely to end up in the hospital than he is to get myocarditis from the vaccine.

i'm not trying to imply that parents shouldn't consider the risks when looking at these things for their kids, but please don't try to imply that covid is somehow less risky than the vaccine, because the numbers don't support that.

Ag Natural said:

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raging_agaholic said:

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My three boys (9,12,14) all got it and bounced back in 2-3 days with nothing more than Tylenol. Vaccinating kids is pointless, the best way to confer immunity is via host infection.

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I wouldn't say its pointless. Kids spread the virus to the rest of our unvaxxed holdouts. Anything we can do to stop the proliferation without having to add restrictions should be done IMO.

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Easy. Just don't add restrictions. There's a vaccine widely available at no cost for anyone 12 and up who can get to a drugstore, vaccine site, or hospital. If you wanted the vaccine you should've gotten it by now, so everyone's had their opportunity to take a side. Open it all up now, no restrictions. Hard stop.

Ag Natural said:

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raging_agaholic said:

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My three boys (9,12,14) all got it and bounced back in 2-3 days with nothing more than Tylenol. Vaccinating kids is pointless, the best way to confer immunity is via host infection.

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I wouldn't say its pointless. Kids spread the virus to the rest of our unvaxxed holdouts. Anything we can do to stop the proliferation without having to add restrictions should be done IMO.

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I can't stress enough, I don't expect you or your kids to do anything for me. Please stop with the white knight attitude.

coolerguy12 said:

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Ag Natural said:

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raging_agaholic said:

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My three boys (9,12,14) all got it and bounced back in 2-3 days with nothing more than Tylenol. Vaccinating kids is pointless, the best way to confer immunity is via host infection.

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I wouldn't say its pointless. Kids spread the virus to the rest of our unvaxxed holdouts. Anything we can do to stop the proliferation without having to add restrictions should be done IMO.

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I can't stress enough, I don't expect you or your kids to do anything for me. Please stop with the white knight attitude.

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I don't give a damn about you. I just want this thing to go away so we can get back to normal. Its obvious to me the quickest path to that is to get everyone vaxxed.

Ag Natural said:

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coolerguy12 said:

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Ag Natural said:

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raging_agaholic said:

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My three boys (9,12,14) all got it and bounced back in 2-3 days with nothing more than Tylenol. Vaccinating kids is pointless, the best way to confer immunity is via host infection.

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I wouldn't say its pointless. Kids spread the virus to the rest of our unvaxxed holdouts. Anything we can do to stop the proliferation without having to add restrictions should be done IMO.

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I can't stress enough, I don't expect you or your kids to do anything for me. Please stop with the white knight attitude.

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I don't give a damn about you. I just want this thing to go away so we can get back to normal. Its obvious to me the quickest path to that is to get everyone vaxxed.

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*if you haven't already had COVID and don't have natural immunity.

SoupNazi2001 said:

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Ag Natural said:

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raging_agaholic said:

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My three boys (9,12,14) all got it and bounced back in 2-3 days with nothing more than Tylenol. Vaccinating kids is pointless, the best way to confer immunity is via host infection.

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I wouldn't say its pointless. Kids spread the virus to the rest of our unvaxxed holdouts. Anything we can do to stop the proliferation without having to add restrictions should be done IMO.

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They are choosing to not get vaccinated.

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The more unvaccinated people, the more cases, the more variants, the more breakthrough cases. If only it were as simple as natural selection but it is not.

bay fan said:

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SoupNazi2001 said:

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Ag Natural said:

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raging_agaholic said:

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My three boys (9,12,14) all got it and bounced back in 2-3 days with nothing more than Tylenol. Vaccinating kids is pointless, the best way to confer immunity is via host infection.

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I wouldn't say its pointless. Kids spread the virus to the rest of our unvaxxed holdouts. Anything we can do to stop the proliferation without having to add restrictions should be done IMO.

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They are choosing to not get vaccinated.

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The more unvaccinated people, the more cases, the more variants, the more breakthrough cases. If only it were as simple as natural selection but it is not.

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Variants are much more likely to come from countries with <10% vaccinations. We should be worried much more at a global level than in the US where we have extremely high vax rates.

bay fan said:

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SoupNazi2001 said:

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Ag Natural said:

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raging_agaholic said:

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My three boys (9,12,14) all got it and bounced back in 2-3 days with nothing more than Tylenol. Vaccinating kids is pointless, the best way to confer immunity is via host infection.

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I wouldn't say its pointless. Kids spread the virus to the rest of our unvaxxed holdouts. Anything we can do to stop the proliferation without having to add restrictions should be done IMO.

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They are choosing to not get vaccinated.

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The more unvaccinated people, the more cases, the more variants, the more breakthrough cases. If only it were as simple as natural selection but it is not.

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what percent of Africa is vaccinated? I rest my case.

COVID isn't going anywhere for a LONG, LONG time.

Last I checked Africa is a long, long way away.

It's not even just 3rd world nations. South Korea, Russia, new Zealand and Australia are all sub 20%, Japan is sub 40%.

If the argument is that low vaccination rates mean more variants then *****ing at Americans is essentially preaching to the choir, meanwhile our overall rate's significance is diminished by extremely low participation rates throughout large parts of the rest of the world.

Both of my boys had it. Their ear infections as infants strep throats when they were toddlers were worse. They have zero need to be vaxxed.

Ag Natural said:

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coolerguy12 said:

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Ag Natural said:

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raging_agaholic said:

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My three boys (9,12,14) all got it and bounced back in 2-3 days with nothing more than Tylenol. Vaccinating kids is pointless, the best way to confer immunity is via host infection.

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I wouldn't say its pointless. Kids spread the virus to the rest of our unvaxxed holdouts. Anything we can do to stop the proliferation without having to add restrictions should be done IMO.

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I can't stress enough, I don't expect you or your kids to do anything for me. Please stop with the white knight attitude.

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I don't give a damn about you. I just want this thing to go away so we can get back to normal. Its obvious to me the quickest path to that is to get everyone vaxxed.

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The best way to go back to normal is to end restrictions. Your anger should be with government, not people who don't won't to get the vaccine. Only one of those two groups is violating your freedom.

I'm vaccinated. I don't wear a mask haven't for a year (excluding planes), have been on three vacations in the last nine months, kids are starting school sans mask Monday.

Texas is back to normal if you want it to be. I know some of you think I'm just trolling but I'm not. There is a significant percentage of people out there and on this site that have put their lives on hold out of fear. That depresses me. We're all going to die. You only get one life, start living it.

Ol_Ag_02 said:

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Ag Natural said:

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coolerguy12 said:

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Ag Natural said:

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raging_agaholic said:

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My three boys (9,12,14) all got it and bounced back in 2-3 days with nothing more than Tylenol. Vaccinating kids is pointless, the best way to confer immunity is via host infection.

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I wouldn't say its pointless. Kids spread the virus to the rest of our unvaxxed holdouts. Anything we can do to stop the proliferation without having to add restrictions should be done IMO.

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I can't stress enough, I don't expect you or your kids to do anything for me. Please stop with the white knight attitude.

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I don't give a damn about you. I just want this thing to go away so we can get back to normal. Its obvious to me the quickest path to that is to get everyone vaxxed.

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The best way to go back to normal is to end restrictions. Your anger should be with government, not people who don't won't to get the vaccine. Only one of those two groups is violating your freedom.

I'm vaccinated. I don't wear a mask haven't for a year (excluding planes), have been on three vacations in the last nine months, kids are starting school sans mask Monday.

Texas is back to normal if you want it to be. I know some of you think I'm just trolling but I'm not. There is a significant percentage of people out there and on this site that have put their lives on hold out of fear. That depresses me. We're all going to die. You only get one life, start living it.

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So much this. I'm 100% the same way.

Ag Natural said:

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coolerguy12 said:

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Ag Natural said:

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raging_agaholic said:

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My three boys (9,12,14) all got it and bounced back in 2-3 days with nothing more than Tylenol. Vaccinating kids is pointless, the best way to confer immunity is via host infection.

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I wouldn't say its pointless. Kids spread the virus to the rest of our unvaxxed holdouts. Anything we can do to stop the proliferation without having to add restrictions should be done IMO.

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I can't stress enough, I don't expect you or your kids to do anything for me. Please stop with the white knight attitude.

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I don't give a damn about you. I just want this thing to go away so we can get back to normal. Its obvious to me the quickest path to that is to get everyone vaxxed.

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Then start following the damn science on natural immunity. Good grief.

Fenrir said:

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It's not even just 3rd world nations. South Korea, Russia, new Zealand and Australia are all sub 20%, Japan is sub 40%.

If the argument is that low vaccination rates mean more variants then *****ing at Americans is essentially preaching to the choir, meanwhile our overall rate's significance is diminished by extremely low participation rates throughout large parts of the rest of the world.

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Oh look. Someone who knows something about science instead of what NBC tells them to think.

Fenrir said:

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Which leader are you speaking about specifically?

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Literally every leader across the country forcing/attempting to force vaccinated people to wear masks, from the CDC being overly cautious to people like Hidalgo and Jenkins that are just doing it for political purposes. Not only does it make zero sense and will do nothing, it will actively discourage people from getting vaccinated, which is our only way out of this.

The kids that I know that had it got over it in less than a day. My kids had colds and strep that were a lot worse.

We should be celebrating that kids are not getting serious illnesses but people keep wanting to keep them locked up

bay fan said:

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ORAggieFan said:

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bay fan said:

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SoupNazi2001 said:

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Ag Natural said:

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raging_agaholic said:

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My three boys (9,12,14) all got it and bounced back in 2-3 days with nothing more than Tylenol. Vaccinating kids is pointless, the best way to confer immunity is via host infection.

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I wouldn't say its pointless. Kids spread the virus to the rest of our unvaxxed holdouts. Anything we can do to stop the proliferation without having to add restrictions should be done IMO.

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They are choosing to not get vaccinated.

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The more unvaccinated people, the more cases, the more variants, the more breakthrough cases. If only it were as simple as natural selection but it is not.

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Variants are much more likely to come from countries with <10% vaccinations. We should be worried much more at a global level than in the US where we have extremely high vax rates.

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50% is not an extremely high rate of vaccination when it's free and readily available and we have doses expiring. If the US did have a very high rate of compliance, variants spreading in other countries would have a tougher time taking hold here. As it is, that's clearly not the case.

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Sadly your last statement is not true. The delta variant is spreading pretty well even in countries with 90% + vaccination rates (see UK & Israel).

bay fan said:

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bay fan said:

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SoupNazi2001 said:

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Ag Natural said:

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raging_agaholic said:

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My three boys (9,12,14) all got it and bounced back in 2-3 days with nothing more than Tylenol. Vaccinating kids is pointless, the best way to confer immunity is via host infection.

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I wouldn't say its pointless. Kids spread the virus to the rest of our unvaxxed holdouts. Anything we can do to stop the proliferation without having to add restrictions should be done IMO.

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They are choosing to not get vaccinated.

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The more unvaccinated people, the more cases, the more variants, the more breakthrough cases. If only it were as simple as natural selection but it is not.

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Variants are much more likely to come from countries with <10% vaccinations. We should be worried much more at a global level than in the US where we have extremely high vax rates.

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50% is not an extremely high rate of vaccination when it's free and readily available and we have doses expiring. If the US did have a very high rate of compliance, variants spreading in other countries would have a tougher time taking hold here. As it is, that's clearly not the case.

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Iceland is at about 75% total population vaccinated and they have delta.

As I'm sure you know, shouldn't make assumptions after one study. Not sure how you can say someone is incorrect who is basically questioning sufficient evidence either way. Adding to misinformation is irresponsible coming from someone with a medical tag.

gunan01 said:

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This is a constantly parroted point about "natural immunity" but there is no clear cut evidence natural immunity is any better than vaccine-conferred immunity.

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Wrong

bay fan said:

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The more unvaccinated people, the more cases, the more variants, the more breakthrough cases. If only it were as simple as natural selection but it is not.

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Wrong. The theory that the variants only exist because of unvaccinated people is looking more and more like a farce.

A farce?

Variants come from mutations. Mutations come from virus replication. That is related to numbers, severity and duration of illness. Vaccines unequivocally reduce all three compared to not being vaccinated, so vaccines reduce mutation opportunities.