74OA said:
TEXAS
Don't be a victim of the news
" The Texas Department of State Health Services told CNN the shortage of pediatric ICU beds is related to a shortage in medical staff."
So kids are getting sick now
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Don't be a victim of the news
" The Texas Department of State Health Services told CNN the shortage of pediatric ICU beds is related to a shortage in medical staff."
74OA said:
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Clay makes it sound like kids are dying in droves. In Dallas county the CUMULATIVE deaths under 17: Two. Over 18+ months.
https://www.dallascounty.org/Assets/uploads/docs/hhs/2019-nCoV/2021-COVID-19-Summaries/CV19-Summaries-08/DCHHS%20COVID-19%20Summary%2008132021.pdf
Age 0-17 deaths nationwide is at 350 from Jan 2020 to present.
raging_agaholic said:
My three boys (9,12,14) all got it and bounced back in 2-3 days with nothing more than Tylenol. Vaccinating kids is pointless, the best way to confer immunity is via host infection.
This is correct.
Do you believe this for all the stuff on the vaccination schedule? Or just covid?
So just covid then.
Zobel said:
A farce?
Variants come from mutations. Mutations come from virus replication. That is related to numbers, severity and duration of illness. Vaccines unequivocally reduce all three compared to not being vaccinated, so vaccines reduce mutation opportunities.
How much is tremendous amounts? Is that more or less than enough to allow for mutation?
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According to the CDC, even people with "breakthrough cases" carry tremendous amounts of virus in their nose and throat, and, according to preliminary reports, can spread the virus to others whether or not they have symptoms.
74OA said:Kids are going into ICU in droves for the first time. It's a testament to how far we've come in designing treatments that so few have died so far. Having said that, how would you feel if your kid was so sick they were in the ICU, regardless of the statistics?GAC06 said:74OA said:
TEXAS
Clay makes it sound like kids are dying in droves. In Dallas county the CUMULATIVE deaths under 17: Two. Over 18+ months.
https://www.dallascounty.org/Assets/uploads/docs/hhs/2019-nCoV/2021-COVID-19-Summaries/CV19-Summaries-08/DCHHS%20COVID-19%20Summary%2008132021.pdf
This is inaccurate, the widespread claims that kids are ending up in the ICU in meaningful numbers is a wild mischaracterizaton on the media's part.
Pediatric ICU's are relatively small even in the largest children's hospitals, are designed to be kept at or near full capacity and they overflow EVERY year during flu/RSV season. The relative spike in pediatric ICU's has far more to do with RSV being delayed this year than COVID.
Children are being hospitalized with COVID at a rate of about 0.45 per 100,000, and most of these aren't going to the ICU.
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Every time the virus replicates is a chance. The point remains, vaccines reduce the number of opportunities for replication.
Infection_Ag11 said:74OA said:Kids are going into ICU in droves for the first time. It's a testament to how far we've come in designing treatments that so few have died so far. Having said that, how would you feel if your kid was so sick they were in the ICU, regardless of the statistics?GAC06 said:74OA said:
TEXAS
Clay makes it sound like kids are dying in droves. In Dallas county the CUMULATIVE deaths under 17: Two. Over 18+ months.
https://www.dallascounty.org/Assets/uploads/docs/hhs/2019-nCoV/2021-COVID-19-Summaries/CV19-Summaries-08/DCHHS%20COVID-19%20Summary%2008132021.pdf
This is inaccurate, the widespread claims that kids are ending up in the ICU in meaningful numbers is a wild mischaracterizaton on the media's part.
Pediatric ICU's are relatively small even in the largest children's hospitals, are designed to be kept at or near full capacity and they overflow EVERY year during flu/RSV season. The relative spike in pediatric ICU's has far more to do with RSV being delayed this year than COVID.
Children are being hospitalized with COVID at a rate of about 0.45 per 100,000, and most of these aren't going to the ICU.
Agree 100% well said Infection
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Of all the craziness of the pandemic it's the fear mongering around kids that's the most ludicrous.
We have been careful due to having elderly folks at risk that we help out quite a bit, but it's more monitoring our kids to make sure they don't give it to them rather than any real fear they would end up in the hospital.
We have been careful due to having elderly folks at risk that we help out quite a bit, but it's more monitoring our kids to make sure they don't give it to them rather than any real fear they would end up in the hospital.
Will 74OA come back and eat crow and adopt a sense of humility going forward?
Zobel said:
Every time the virus replicates is a chance. The point remains, vaccines reduce the number of opportunities for replication.
Reduce /= eliminate. So like I said, the statement that the virus, and certain mutations, only exist due to the unvaccinated is looking more and more false.
No one said the virus existed because of vaccinations, that doesn't even make sense.
And the current circulating variants all started prior to these vaccinations. Delta was first sequenced in October in India.
This seems more of a talking point or blame / not blame thing, though, which means it's kind of silly.
And the current circulating variants all started prior to these vaccinations. Delta was first sequenced in October in India.
This seems more of a talking point or blame / not blame thing, though, which means it's kind of silly.
Zobel said:
No one said the virus existed because of vaccinations, that doesn't even make sense.
And the current circulating variants all started prior to these vaccinations. Delta was first sequenced in October in India.
This seems more of a talking point or blame / not blame thing, though, which means it's kind of silly.
Not sure if that was a typo. Assuming it isn't, I agree it doesn't make sense and it certainly isn't what I said. I replied to the below that seems to imply that vaccinated people cannot catch, spread and ,therefore, be a cause of a mutation or variant.
bay fan said:
The more unvaccinated people, the more cases, the more variants, the more breakthrough cases. If only it were as simple as natural selection but it is not.
I assume the post is based off of comments like these from July:
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There is a clear message that's coming through: This is becoming a pandemic of the unvaccinated," Walensky said.
. When asked if breakthrough infections illness caused by COVID-19 in vaccinated people is contributing to the spread of the Delta variant, infectious disease expert Anthony S. Fauci, MD, said it is unlikely.
But as data continues to come out, such as the actual viral load carried by vaccinated people, it is looking more and more like blaming the current spread on unvaccinated is not accurate.
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According to the CDC, even people with "breakthrough cases" carry tremendous amounts of virus in their nose and throat, and, according to preliminary reports, can spread the virus to others whether or not they have symptoms.
Media sucks and are imprecise.
If you define pandemic by all infections, who know. If you define it by disease, vaccines reduce your risk by 50-88% vs delta. If you define it by severe disease its 90% percent. A lot of the problem is simple miscommunication and misunderstanding.
If you define pandemic by all infections, who know. If you define it by disease, vaccines reduce your risk by 50-88% vs delta. If you define it by severe disease its 90% percent. A lot of the problem is simple miscommunication and misunderstanding.
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