Covid was engineered in a Wuhan virology lab and released

Most likely is that it was engineered in Wuhan for nefarious purposes and escaped due to incompetence.

Filthy, gross, disgusting wet market in Wuhan

OR

Wuhan lab eff up

Either way; FU China

It most likely represents a species jump. The virus doesn't contain the genetic hallmarks of gain of function research.

Infection_Ag11 said:

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It most likely represents a species jump. The virus doesn't contain the genetic hallmarks of gain of function research.

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THIS IS THE OFFICIAL NARRATIVE!

I think it's much more likely that they were studying coronaviruses in the lab and one of the employees got sick than it was engineered in a lab. I think the fact that the first two known cases had absolutely nothing to do with the wet market suggests that the wet market wasn't the likely source. Also the bat species that carried the virus is from thousands of miles from Wuhan, so it likely would have started elsewhere if it came from the bats themselves. I think the wet market was the first super spreader event, but it was an accidental leak from the lab - carried unknowingly by a staff member to the general public.

If this was an engineered virus it doesn't make a lot of sense IMO. The virus could have been way worse and they started by spreading on it's own people to spread it globally? It doesn't have the characteristics of a manufactured virus either.

The Chinese are trying to coverup the origins to save face. Their entire culture overemphasizes the concept of "saving face". It's why their response to the initial outbreak was terrible and they wouldn't let the CDC and WHO in.

Old Buffalo said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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It most likely represents a species jump. The virus doesn't contain the genetic hallmarks of gain of function research.

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THIS IS THE OFFICIAL NARRATIVE!

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Not any more. Seems many more are coming around to the opposite of what he's saying. Genetically making more sense it was lab altered as they can't find the species it jumped from

lab leak

accident

thankful we can now discuss this in polite circles

Huge deal. Some very eminent virologists, including Dr. Baric who worked with the lab in Wuhan, have published a statement that both zoonotic origin and lab accident are "viable" as origin. (Social media claims aren't scientific consensus, part zillion). https://t.co/RGYgA2jo7f pic.twitter.com/jhJl8IAyBG

— zeynep tufekci (@zeynep) May 14, 2021

Infection_Ag11 said:

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It most likely represents a species jump. The virus doesn't contain the genetic hallmarks of gain of function research.

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The fact that this "species jump" narrative is pushed so hard and any debate otherwise is met with on scorn worries me that you are wrong.

The source of Covid is the lab China. Question is if it was deliberately released or if it was accidental.

Infection_Ag11 said:

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It most likely represents a species jump. The virus doesn't contain the genetic hallmarks of gain of function research.

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The Fauci subordinate (Daczac) bragged about it 'appearing' natural (using 'stealth' insertion technique). He also is the one who was on the investigation into whether it was released from the lab or natural.

It's tough to take such analyses/conclusions seriously, in other words, especially as his boss is out in the press lying about it entirely.

Infection_Ag11 said:

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It most likely represents a species jump. The virus doesn't contain the genetic hallmarks of gain of function research.

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Stop mixing science with hate! Ruins a good conspiracy theory.

bay fan said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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It most likely represents a species jump. The virus doesn't contain the genetic hallmarks of gain of function research.

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Stop mixing science with hate! Ruins a good conspiracy theory.

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Your version of science is who you believe. There is no "the science" with regards to any of this. There is nothing conspiracy theorist about believing it came from a lab.

sleepybeagle said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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It most likely represents a species jump. The virus doesn't contain the genetic hallmarks of gain of function research.

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The fact that this "species jump" narrative is pushed so hard and any debate otherwise is met with on scorn worries me that you are wrong.

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Follow the money... From NIH through Daczak (sp?) to the Wuhan lab. Then, witness the stringent statements in support of species jump by those American doctors involved in the research funding, combined with the derision of anyone asking about even the mere possibility of a lab accident source.

Looks like some major league CYA going on...

With the Chinese government destroying records and potential witnesses while pointing its finger abroad, we will likely never be able to accumulate enough facts.

Covid was a lab leak. They don't even have bats at that wet market. Also Covid was already able to make such a big jump from human to human. This to me sounds like that part was worked on in the lab. I don't think it was a deliberate leak.

It actually has many signs pointing to gain of function research.

Double Diamond said:

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It actually has many signs pointing to gain of function research.

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Such as?

I'd like to understand how exactly a lab accident is a conspiracy

AcesAnd8s said:

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Covid was engineered in a Wuhan virology lab and released

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Anyone at this point that doubts this, is being willfully ignorant.

Such as very few new viruses can jump through people like this. Typically these virus's take time learning that trick.

It's not. That is what that lab there does. It's not hard to think that a leak could happen.

I think this type of research is dangerous. Next leak might be worse.

Double Diamond said:

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Brett Weinstein has podcasted a lot on this. The guy is a evolutionary biologist that studied bats.

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It's Bret, and I like the guy. I actually watch his podcast, and I saw the interview you're referring to (I believe on Bill Maher).

That being said, he's off base here. His point about most naturally occurring viruses not having "both tricks" from the get go is misleading. While that is true, it's largely true for viruses we never hear about because they're never identified. Most of the time when viruses make the leap from one species to another, they colonize or infect one host but aren't effectively transmissible to other members of that new species. However, the novel viruses we do hear about are the exceptions to that rule. So it's essentially a type of selection bias, where most viruses aren't capable of that but the only ones we find out about are. In other words, the fact that SARS-CoV2 is here and doing its thing in and of itself makes that line of thinking moot (or at least isn't proof it was manufactured). It could have been, but that's not a meaningful argument for it being so.

Just seems unlikely that in city that works on dangerous virus that the leak didn't come from the lab.

sleepybeagle said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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It most likely represents a species jump. The virus doesn't contain the genetic hallmarks of gain of function research.

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The fact that this "species jump" narrative is pushed so hard and any debate otherwise is met with on scorn worries me that you are wrong.

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I'm not scorning anyone, I just haven't seen any convincing evidence that it was manufactured or altered in a lab apart from largely baseless conspiracy theories relating to people and money. It doesn't matter who was funding what where, all that matters is whether or not it can be shown properties of the virus itself are consistent with such a thing.