texagbeliever said:

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Little Bill said:

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What I don't understand is the almost religious zeal against wearing masks. It reminds me of those who are extremely anti-vaccinations.

Wearing a mask isn't a giant imposition on personal freedom. It doesn't prevent you from going out, living your life, or running your business. It is much better than the asinine government-ordered shut downs that destroy the economy.

Is the scientific evidence 100% in support? No.

Is there strong evidence in support? Yes.

Wearing a mask is part of our civic duty while we muddle our way through this fiasco/pandemic. Wearing masks is a good way to be a helpful and patriotic member of society and to help those who are more vulnerable.

If there is a 50/50 chance that wearing a mask saves your neighbor or grandparent, why wouldn't you do it?

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So let me replay this post for you:

• You paint people opposed to wearing masks as being fringe lunatics who are anti-science
• Then you make a veiled threat: Wear a mask otherwise we will shut everything down again
• Then you make an emotional plea to people's "civic duty" and "patriotism". With no regard to bill of right's or anything that is remotely civic or patriotic
• Then you make the ultimate emotional plea that you have a 50% chance to save grandma

My follow up to you is this.

• If someone has already had covid and recovered why should they wear a mask? Please be as scientific as possible in your explanation.
• What is the "math" behind that 50/50 chance reduction?
• Will you admit that your argument for wearing a mask is largely based on emotion and not logic?
• Do you have an agreeable or disagreeable personality? I would bet the overwhelming number of mask pumpers have agreeable personalities and a strong desire to be liked. People who are "anti mask" create a direct conflict with agreeable personalities because no matter what they do is going to be seen as "wrong" to some people. So an agreeable personality is likely to choose to slander one side while appealing using centrist overtones. In this case a disagreeable person but pro mask wouldn't argue it is a civic or patriotic duty to wear a mask, they would choose a more hardline extreme argument.

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TheMasterplan said:

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TomFoolery said:

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Little Bill said:

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Masks are effective.

Are they 100%? No.

Are they better than not wearing them? Yes.

They are likely more effective as barriers to spreading infection than they are as barriers to infection.

So, the wearing of mask is to help others, not to help yourself so much. Thus, the refusal to wear a mask is a selfish and self-centered action.

We don't speed in school zones so as to avoid running over small children. We should wear masks so as to help prevent the infection of those at risk.

Good to see some empirical evidence supporting masks.

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I see the logic with this 100%. My one question is, is there an end? This about masks and respiratory diseases has always been true. Albeit in the recent past they haven't been as serious or we have understood how to treat them better such as the common cold and the flu. That being said these diseases like the flu have killed people in the past and will continue to kill people. Hopefully we eradicate COVID-19, but it's entirely likely it will continue on as well.

Now that we have worn masks to save lives, is there an acceptable amount of lives it must save to make it worth while? We never wore masks for the flu and no one was called selfish. If we get COVID-19 down to a death rate that equals the flu will we remove masks as a societal norm/expectation, or are they here to stay to continue to prevent future disease spread?

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lol

That ain't happening. We have to learn to live with this virus.

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deadbq03 said:

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Whether masks should be mandated or not is most certainly a valid debate, and I honestly hope a case makes its way to the Supreme Court about masks and other mandates.

But it defies both science and common sense to deny that masks help.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/masking-science-sars-cov2.html

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012-MAN said:

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We know that mask do not really prevent someone from catching the covid
We know that mask "help" others not catch it if you are sick.
We know that doctors wear masks
We know that doctors hanging out with covid positives wear masks and faceshield.


My question is simple. Why must someone wear a mask that does not really work (i.e. prevent them from getting sick) when EVERYONE has the option to wear a mask+faceshield and have a very effective means from preventing them from catching the covid?

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012-MAN said:

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We know that mask do not really prevent someone from catching the covid
We know that mask "help" others not catch it if you are sick.
We know that doctors wear masks
We know that doctors hanging out with covid positives wear masks and faceshield.


My question is simple. Why must someone wear a mask that does not really work (i.e. prevent them from getting sick) when EVERYONE has the option to wear a mask+faceshield and have a very effective means from preventing them from catching the covid?

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notex said:

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Masks do nothing to stop the spread, yet another data point.

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pantherag said:

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So that study shows that it cut cases per 100K from 0.0004 w/o Mask to 0.0002 w/ Mask? That 50% decrease in cases is huge impact, could have been catastrophic.

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deadbq03 said:

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Whether masks should be mandated or not is most certainly a valid debate, and I honestly hope a case makes its way to the Supreme Court about masks and other mandates.

But it defies both science and common sense to deny that masks help.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/masking-science-sars-cov2.html

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ORAggieFan said:

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CowtownEng said:

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ORAggieFan said:

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Masks may be useless. Masks may be helpful. This chart doesn't provide evidence for either.

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ORAggieFan said:

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CowtownEng said:

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ORAggieFan said:

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Masks may be useless. Masks may be helpful. This chart doesn't provide evidence for either.

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Neither does the study in the OP which this chart is based on.

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ORAggieFan said:

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CowtownEng said:

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ORAggieFan said:

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Masks may be useless. Masks may be helpful. This chart doesn't provide evidence for either.

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Neither does the study in the OP which this chart is based on.

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oldschool87 said:

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ORAggieFan said:

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CowtownEng said:

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ORAggieFan said:

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Masks may be useless. Masks may be helpful. This chart doesn't provide evidence for either.

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Neither does the study in the OP which this chart is based on.

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The reason the chart uses % is that if it used real numbers it would be a joke!

For example I am 55, anyone younger than me is getting older at a higher % than I am.

If you are 4 feet from a wall an you always go 50% closer with every step you will never get to the wall. But one 50% step will be 2 feet while another will be less than the thickness of a hair. Yet the 50% statement is correct!

Point being any chart with only % is hidding something or more than likely cannot prove it's theory with actual numbers so it uses %.

1000% of .00004 is still not a whole person!

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cone said:

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think of how many children's lives could be saved by masking up every flu season

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