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Good question. And despite what Trump wants, these decisions will be made at the local level.

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Which is bull*****

If we are holding out until we can get enough equipment and medical capacity in place, shouldn't someone have some numbers on how much of everything we need, and how close we are to reaching those levels?

Has anyone seen anything like that?

I suspect Oklahoma will be back to a moderated normal in a few weeks. There are mid-200 cases across the entire state. About 70 in OKC and 30 in Tulsa. We have a bunch of counties without any cases. They haven't had the ability to test but are now up to 200-400 tests/day. Guess it will go up. I don't know a sole that has it and I know quite a few people and interact with a bunch of large industrial plants.

Guess we never got any guests from all of the infected areas world wide. We had to physically go get it and bring it back. We don't have any significant mass transit so thats a big plus. Outside of OKC Thunder we don't have many large gatherings. Maybe a few concerts. Very few conventions and those are small.

Non-essentially businesses are shutdown. This means bars and nail shops are closed. Everything else appears to be essential. Restaurants are takeout only. Yes, weed stores appear to be essential. Casinos are closed and I think it will be quite some time before they reopen. Same with concerts.

Eventually women will throw a fits and nail salons will be allowed to work with social distancing. The guys are getting bored so bars will open with 6 feet between bar stools otherwise we will start shooting guns in the back yard. Restaurants will likely open with social distancing rules. School is closed till next year. They are trying to do some remote learning from home to finish out the year. I guess that means parents driving by and picking up the child's weekly lesson. I guess the casinos could reopen with 30% of the slots and table game seating available.

Governor Stit is likely going to be one of the first to open things back up. He's implemented very limited closures so I suspect he relax them even further.

Texas is now too Blue to give it a shot. I suspect rural areas could relax restrictions but my bet is that Dallas, Houston, and of course Austin won't have it and the Governor will chicken out. Sorry Parris, Tx.... Drive up to Hugo if you want to go out to eat. Sorry Dallas, drive to Durant or Ardmore.

And what happens when those people get desperate for food? Mass chaos, violence, anarchy. If the country doesn't open back up to some degree soon we are going to have a bigger problem on our hands (death toll) than the virus.

That's hopefully helped to at least some extent by the stimulus bill, as well as tons of other groups and charities that have popped up to help people.

But the answer is there is no easy answer. I get that people want to get back to normal, but doing that too soon is going to completely cancel out shifting to social distancing in the first place.

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I suspect Oklahoma will be back to a moderated normal in a few weeks. There are mid-200 cases across the entire state. About 70 in OKC and 30 in Tulsa. We have a bunch of counties without any cases. They haven't had the ability to test but are now up to 200-400 tests/day.

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They went from 164 cases to 250 yesterday and added another 72 today so far.

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And what happens when those people get desperate for food? Mass chaos, violence, anarchy. If the country doesn't open back up to some degree soon we are going to have a bigger problem on our hands (death toll) than the virus.

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We are an exporter of food. That is the least of our concerns.

If this was killing a high % of people it would be different but as of now 98 to 99% of people who are infected will be back able to work within a month.

When we get a blood test showing immunity things will begin to get back on track - very slowly - but we will be headed in the right direction.

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I suspect Oklahoma will be back to a moderated normal in a few weeks. There are mid-200 cases across the entire state. About 70 in OKC and 30 in Tulsa. We have a bunch of counties without any cases. They haven't had the ability to test but are now up to 200-400 tests/day.

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They went from 164 cases to 250 yesterday and added another 72 today so far.

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When you have 322 people and the 322 people within a couple of days is going to be down to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done. It's going to disappear. One day, it's like a miracle, it will disappear.

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It does feel exactly like that. Red states taking one tact and blue states taking another.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/26/us/coronavirus-testing-states.html

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Until we have the testing capacity to test hundreds of thousands of people every single day. That's my goal. To get us to a South Korea "steady state" where there are new cases every day, but they're minuscule (<100). That requires tons and tons of testing to identify hot spots so we can effectively isolate only those areas while the rest of a community and the country ultimately goes about its business.

The fact that we haven't heard, after three weeks, that "today the United States has contracted with company X to produce millions of test kits that will be ready by date Y" makes me think that won't happen for some time and I don't know why we haven't done it yet.

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Really? ThermoFisher is currently shipping 2 million tests a week, ramping to 5 million in April. Roche has been shopping 400k tests per week and increasing. Private labs are doing who knows how many tests per week. FDA has given EUA to at least one other company who has "hundreds of thousands of test" by the end of the month.

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It's really pretty mind boggling how ill prepared we have been as a country. We should have known this is coming for months now.

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You realize this virus wasn't in existence until December right? It wasn't a problem until the end of January.

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Somehow, we've managed to deal with pandemics before without economic suicide. Obviously something went shockingly wrong with the response. We had the genome on December 31. I haven't seen an epidemiologist yet that isn't shocked we did not have a reliable mass-produced test by mid January. It is Epidemiology 101. That the test they produced was completely useless is criminally negligent.

One expert said ALL the simulations presume you have a test early.

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Actually, China didn't announce it's existence until Dec 31. They didn't share the genome until mid Jan. Even with the genome in mid Jan, the biotech industry had designed research use only PCR tests by late Jan/early. Took until mid March to get the EUAs. But you need an emergency declaration to do EUAs. Btw, the kits are still not "approved for diagnostic use", there is just a temporary emergency use authorization.

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Yes....I guess I am of the opinion that if they play the games in an empty stadium, they might as well cancel the games. Football over the decades has evolved into so much more than just 'playing the game'....it is an entire multi-sensory social experience. Taking away the social aspects (which may happened) will kill interest in the sport in that particular year IMO.

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Is it selfish to think sports with no fans but on TV would not help those sheltered at home? I know it would help me.

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I suspect Oklahoma will be back to a moderated normal in a few weeks. There are mid-200 cases across the entire state. About 70 in OKC and 30 in Tulsa. We have a bunch of counties without any cases. They haven't had the ability to test but are now up to 200-400 tests/day.

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They went from 164 cases to 250 yesterday and added another 72 today so far.

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When you have 322 people and the 322 people within a couple of days is going to be down to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done. It's going to disappear. One day, it's like a miracle, it will disappear.

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It does feel exactly like that. Red states taking one tact and blue states taking another.

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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-coronavirus-isnt-just-a-blue-state-problem/

Interesting table in there.

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Yes....I guess I am of the opinion that if they play the games in an empty stadium, they might as well cancel the games. Football over the decades has evolved into so much more than just 'playing the game'....it is an entire multi-sensory social experience. Taking away the social aspects (which may happened) will kill interest in the sport in that particular year IMO.

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Is it selfish to think sports with no fans but on TV would not help those sheltered at home? I know it would help me.

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I mean, I would be upset that we can't attend games.

But it absolutely would keep the large % of sports fans in the nation satiated while sheltering-in-place.

To riff off what some others have said/suggested -- if the SEC announced there would be no football unless this thing is figured out by June, whether by vaccine, SIP, or whatever, a large amount of the south would have its energy redirected

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without these orders the Olds would still be running errands ,going to church, going to Drs apots etc. changing the Olds behavior to keep them from clogging up the icu also important

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Yeah, they were going crazy during spring break and Mardi Gras.

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Yes....I guess I am of the opinion that if they play the games in an empty stadium, they might as well cancel the games. Football over the decades has evolved into so much more than just 'playing the game'....it is an entire multi-sensory social experience. Taking away the social aspects (which may happened) will kill interest in the sport in that particular year IMO.

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Is it selfish to think sports with no fans but on TV would not help those sheltered at home? I know it would help me.

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I mean, I would be upset that we can't attend games.

But it absolutely would keep the large % of sports fans in the nation satiated while sheltering-in-place.

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do you think that would be enjoyable for the players?

In 2 months half of all businesses will be gone, 25% underemployment at least, tens of thousands of suicides (maybe 100ks) we are very closely reaching the cure is worse than the virus. We cannot SIP for months on end, we will have no job and no country to return to. We have to be mostly back to work by May 1st and Social Distancing ended by August to have any chance to avoid complete societal destruction.

I've read those headlines too, but also read today that one local and one testing site in Tampa at Raymond James stadium is shutting down because they are simply out of tests. Other testing sites saying the tests they have are all accounted for (meaning scheduled appointments for all the tests they have). I just haven't seen the ramp-up like I thought we would by now and turnaround times are still in some places a week.

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The COVID-19 testing site at Raymond James Stadium booked all of its available 900 appointments a little over 48 hours after launching its call center, Hillsborough County officials said Thursday.

That means unless someone has already been approved, they will not be able to get tested for the fast-spreading novel coronavirus at the community site that opened Wednesday morning, at least for now.

The stadium test site will shut down Friday once all 900 appointments have been completed. It will not reopen until the county receives more materials.

Medical and county officials warned earlier this week that the limited testing kits and protective gear supplied by the state would quickly be used up, leading the county to have to close the site.

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https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/03/26/all-900-appointments-for-covid-19-testing-at-raymond-james-booked/

There is apparently some kind of federal daily limit to the testing not just supply related. Dallas has been reaching the limit and closing mid day everyday at their drive up testing facility.

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I've read those headlines too, but also read today that one local and one testing site in Tampa at Raymond James stadium is shutting down because they are simply out of tests. Other testing sites saying the tests they have are all accounted for (meaning scheduled appointments for all the tests they have). I just haven't seen the ramp-up like I thought we would by now and turnaround times are still in some places a week.

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The COVID-19 testing site at Raymond James Stadium booked all of its available 900 appointments a little over 48 hours after launching its call center, Hillsborough County officials said Thursday.

That means unless someone has already been approved, they will not be able to get tested for the fast-spreading novel coronavirus at the community site that opened Wednesday morning, at least for now.

The stadium test site will shut down Friday once all 900 appointments have been completed. It will not reopen until the county receives more materials.

Medical and county officials warned earlier this week that the limited testing kits and protective gear supplied by the state would quickly be used up, leading the county to have to close the site.

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https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/03/26/all-900-appointments-for-covid-19-testing-at-raymond-james-booked/

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This issue is how things are being distributed. Clinics/labs have been prioritized under the direction of the govt with the largest labs getting priority. I suspect also they are prioritizing hot spot areas.


Keep in mind 5 million tests in a week only tests a small percentage of the population at a time and we are still prioritizing medical professionals and those being hospitalized. I'm not sure how often we are retesting those positives that are near recovery to determine when they can be released.

The thing is, testing the worried well really doesn't do a whole lot of good. There are a lot of places where they see 90% negative results and telling people they are negative doesn't do much good. They still shouldn't be going out and visiting friends because today's negative test doesn't mean you won't get it tomorrow.

Americans are not use to rationed healthcare where they can't have the tests as soon as they want.

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Yes....I guess I am of the opinion that if they play the games in an empty stadium, they might as well cancel the games. Football over the decades has evolved into so much more than just 'playing the game'....it is an entire multi-sensory social experience. Taking away the social aspects (which may happened) will kill interest in the sport in that particular year IMO.

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Is it selfish to think sports with no fans but on TV would not help those sheltered at home? I know it would help me.

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I mean, I would be upset that we can't attend games.

But it absolutely would keep the large % of sports fans in the nation satiated while sheltering-in-place.

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Moreso than not playing at all, yeah.

I know we like to think all these guys are out there playing for the fans, but most of them are out there because they just love to play football.

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In 2 months half of all businesses will be gone, 25% underemployment at least, tens of thousands of suicides (maybe 100ks) we are very closely reaching the cure is worse than the virus. We cannot SIP for months on end, we will have no job and no country to return to. We have to be mostly back to work by May 1st and Social Distancing ended by August to have any chance to avoid complete societal destruction.

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There is almost 0% chance of us being "mostly" back to work my may 1. We just went to sip last night here in Hays county and if u think nyc and New Orleans will be open for business in 35 days then ur crazy. Furthermore, as more of the stories come out about young healthy people getting very sick from this you are going to see people pull back anyways. If u opened up 4-6th street in Austin for business as usual tomorrow I would bet the crowd would be very diminished. How many folks want to take the chance for a nice meal and a drink right now. This is going to last for a while and it's gonna suck balls

I never noticed how many epidemiological experts we had on Texags. Since everyone else is filling this place with bull ****, I guess I will too.

I predict that with the antiviral and other treatments plus the immunity of the people that have already been sick that we will start opening things up in late April. We should keep the older people and those at risk in safe spots. And have local task forces on hand to round up outbreaks. We must return to business soon.

Shelter In Place was never about preventing you from coming down the Covid. It is all about preventing a complete breakdown of our medical capacity, which would spread to societal breakdown at large. We will all be at risk until a vaccine or an ironclad treatment is released for broad public consumption.

If you are vulnerable, or know someone who is, then you would be best served by following best practices for quite some time, potentially.

Sounds like while we shelter in place, that more and more testing is coming online, and it gives results fast enough that people can start being treated early.

More and more drug tests are being organized and doctors are getting smarter about what works and what doesn't.

More equipment and supplies are on the way, some of it faster than others.

Seems like anyone that postponed getting exposed as long as possible, if they do get infected will be in a much better situation than someone that got infected last week or this week.