It's seemingly a valid question;

For those who don't like reading through multi-part tweets;

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Here's the latest: cautious optimism. Spoke with several senior members of government in both parties and also some medial public health first responders and while they not say to be vigilant and measured and sanitize and all that we've been told, they also say that if it's true that China knew of CoronaVirus in early November, the likelihood that it has already run through parts of this country is massive. Meaning we are way past testing and mitigation. It also means we may...may...have moved through it in parts of the U.S.

Again..this is very cautious optimism. The first responders I spoke with and several doctors say that flu was rough this winter and many people with very similar symptoms to Covid were sent home to recover. Did they already have it? Has it already been thru here?

Thus the rough flu season we've experienced already. These are all questions we will know answers to soon enough.

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Completely in the realm of possibilities IMO. The thing was determined to have popped up around mid-November in the Chinese equivalent of Grand Central Station. We didn't have our first recognized case until Jan.19... Eight weeks after suspected origin during two massive travel holidays? Something isn't adding up here to me

This makes sense to me - at least as a logical possibility. I started another post about my daughter's symptoms in January. The highest fever she's ever had...sweating and chills on multiple nights...negative flu tests. I haven't been that concerned about her being sick ever.

I was asymptomatic. However, I was interviewing internally, and the guy I was interviewing with ended up with the same symptoms. Out for days - negative test. Then, his closest working partner went down too.

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I'm feeling like a conspiracy theorist over here with all the variations in reporting.

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Maybe some actual facts are sneaking past the sensationalized news! I think some alternative perspective is a breath of fresh air!

Soros

Ran through my family in February. All 5 of us. Same symptoms, negative flu test.

I was in Portland Jan 7-9. Returned home and few days later felt like crap. Thought it might have been start of flu. Temp spiked up, body aches and dry cough. Flu test was negative and doc felt it was just a bad cold. Can not recall what they prescribed, but it didn't do much for the cough. I had that for a few weeks.

Wife came down with it hard as well. My 11 yo son had a spiked fever one day and was lethargic a few days then fine. The 16 yo didn't get anything.

I keep hearing COVID-19 patients talk about their symptoms and it is very familiar. If I had not been traveling almost weekly from Nov 1 until that point, I would have thought random seasonal cold.

Bug ran through our house leaving us all feeling like absolute dog **** in December. High fever, cough, fatigue. Couldn't shake it for about 3 weeks. Would feel better for 2 days, and then it would hit again in force for 3. Never had a "cold" shake me like this in my life.

Went to the doctor multiple times and they wouldn't diagnose us with strep or flu. Dr said he had multiple cases of whatever this was each time we went.

First thought that came to me when this Covid crap was this bug from December.

I don't believe this. Why would Wuhan's and Italy's healthcare system be overrun, but not ours? Rather than flu cases, people should look to see if we had an increase in pneumonia cases, since this is more like pneumonia than the flu. It seems like everyone is using anecdotal evidence. My daughter had a mysterious illness last year where she had high fever and cough, but tested negative for the flu. That's not evidence this has been around for a year.

It is kind of doubtful, at least in my opinion. Hospitals did not see a huge influx in elderly admissions for respiratory conditions above and beyond the typical flu season, at least not in my area. I'm not saying there weren't cases that could have flown under the radar, but considering how this affects old people I think we would have noticed before now if it was out there in any sort of significant way.

There are all sorts of respiratory diseases that spread every year that cause similar symptoms. The good news is that the vast majority of those don't seem to kill people.

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I don't believe this. Why would Wuhan's and Italy's healthcare system be overrun, but not ours? Rather than flu cases, people should look to see if we had an increase in pneumonia cases, since this is more like pneumonia than the flu. It seems like everyone is using anecdotal evidence. My daughter had a mysterious illness last year where she had high fever and cough, but tested negative for the flu. That's not evidence this has been around for a year.

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The spike in Washington happened around 90 days ago. We are discussing the validity of the idea that it came to the US a couple months prior, not a year.

It's incredibly questionable mortality rate and variability as to symptoms (or asymptomatic even) makes it plausible to consider the earlier dating, imho.

Why does India have less than 100 cases?

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Why does India have less than 100 cases?

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Climate. Also, the Indians don't interact nearly as much with the Chinese as the rest of the world. They have their own 1.3 billion people for cheap labor

Y'all blowing my mind. My stepdad was super ill for 3 weeks with flu symptoms but tested negative. Dr said his lungs were horrible (he's a smoker) and that must be partly pneumonia. Never crossed my mind it could be this.

He does work closely with a lot of people that go back and forth to Korea.

Something ran through my employment dec/jan/feb matching symptoms, and negative for flu.

I remember talking to an actual epidimiologist 15 years ago that talked about a nightmare scenario for a viral spread being the chinese lying about the date and breadth of infection and vectoring.

Indont get the hell the guy is catching..... he's not saying dont fight it, he's saying the world MIGHT not be ending.

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You don't have this come into the country then somehow randomly Rudy Gobert is one of the first one thousand people to have it. I'd bet next months paycheck on it that at least 100,000 people in the United States have or had this already. For people under 55, non smokers, generally healthy, the statistics show that you will get sick and recover by and large.

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Rudy Gobert probably has a lot of contact with Europeans.

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Why does India have less than 100 cases?

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Climate. Also, the Indians don't interact nearly as much with the Chinese as the rest of the world. They have their own 1.3 billion people for cheap labor

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maybe climate but they interact in tech routinely. almost every major tech conference has several thousand from each country (not talking Asian Americans or Indian Americans either).

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Most likely, India isn't testing as much. There are plenty of warm weather countries with larger outbreaks. The number of cases in India has doubled in the last few days. I would expect that to continue.

This seems likely. We have a lady at work whose family lives in Wuhan. She visited last November and came home sick with "the flu" for 2 weeks.

It was almost certainly COVID 19, but no one knew.

This happened in Houston and is not a story from a friend, but my direct co-worker.

Had a lady in our office die of "flu" related pneumonia in early jan. She had visited her kids in washing state prior. We all suspect it was covid 19

Childhood best friend is in an internal medicine doctor in Austin. "Worst flu like symptoms ever" ran through him and family in late December. Really high fever, knock you on your butt stuff for days. Everyone tested negative for flu. If you laid odds with him now he's betting they had the WuFlu (TM)

I wouldn't go too far with this theory just yet. I had a bout of flu in late February - chills, muscle aches and joint pain, sweats, headaches, dry cough. Flu test was negative, but the clinic nurse said that was normal. The test can present false positives fairly frequently and even if it was a true negative then I probably had strain C, which it doesn't test for.

Epidemiologists can profile and trace the genetic markers for COVID and there's not any evidence to suggest it was here before they are saying.