W said:
Schloss is not afraid to have an opposing pitcher's glove checked...
but he knows to wait until the SR round to do that
Sean98 said:
Different circles maybe. I saw it start to happen when I was around 13. Used it a little myself in some swampy late summer games by around 14 or 15. Didn't feel like it was a crazy huge advantage back then (just rosin or pine tar not today's outer space materials) but definitely the difference between losing a breaking ball out of the back of my hand vs. keeping it around the plate. We weren't as focused on spin rates because we didn't have all the analytics to back it up so I don't think it was as prevalent, particularly with fastball guys. Heavy breaking ball guys seemed to use it more then.
This would have been around 1990, so not exactly a new thing.
dermdoc said:Sean98 said:
Different circles maybe. I saw it start to happen when I was around 13. Used it a little myself in some swampy late summer games by around 14 or 15. Didn't feel like it was a crazy huge advantage back then (just rosin or pine tar not today's outer space materials) but definitely the difference between losing a breaking ball out of the back of my hand vs. keeping it around the plate. We weren't as focused on spin rates because we didn't have all the analytics to back it up so I don't think it was as prevalent, particularly with fastball guys. Heavy breaking ball guys seemed to use it more then.
This would have been around 1990, so not exactly a new thing.
How many times has a pitcher struck out 6 of our guys in a row? Especially this guy?
The Georgia coaching staff was sketchy all weekend in my opinion. Schloss had to chase their photographer away from behind home plate before the game. Filming our pitcher.
And they pitched 2 of their guys into the ground.
Yeah, they cheated. And I get it but we should have checked the guy's glove after the the first 2-3 strikeouts.
Which is so weird to me. I pitched in college (mid 90's) and never wanted anything on my hands except maybe rosin. I was a two way player so I hit as well and used pine tar, but I did NOT want anything sticky on my hand when I was pitching. Kinda makes me wonder if I was limiting my success now.Sean98 said:Because our staff likely uses something too. Almost every pitcher in the last 100 years has used something for grip. And before that the balls were basically just bean bags that you couldn't hit hard anyway. Sunscreen and rosin is the most popular substance. More recently spider tack has become the thing.TheCurl84 said:Sandman98 said:FTAG 2000 said:
Get em Schloss!
Uh. There isn't a coach in America that wants to bring attention to this.
Why not?
The real debate in bullpens isn't whether using "something" is ok, most agree it is. But there's a point where they think one thing is ok and the next thing is too much. It's also a matter of how and where you use it. Discretion goes a long way. Big slab on your arm or neck? Hell no. Little pocket in between the fingers of your glove? No worries.
Spider tack didn't exist in my days but guys that I trust tell me it's unfair the grip it gives you. Quote from an athletic article that makes my point better than I can.Quote:
Pitchers use tacky substances to enhance grip, in theory helping ensure the safety of hitters. But as one source put it, "if you're getting a 3,000 rpm cutter, you've left grip in the (rear-view) mirror a long time ago." And it's not just a handful of pitchers seeking such advantages. The use of illegal substances has become so rampant, a coach with experience in several major-league organizations told The Athletic in November, "Almost everyone is using something." A player-development executive said the benefits for pitchers are "better than steroids."
And it goes beyond grip substances to catchers using the buckles on their shin guards to cut balls for pitchers, etc. I played with a catcher in a summer league, played against this same kid in another league... Always amazed at the movement their pitchers had when they didn't seem to have top flight arms. Eventually had the conversation with him when he asked about my grip, where a little scuff might help, etc. There's a 1000 ways to make a ball move.
TAMU1990 said:
Someone posted this on the premium board
Agree.AggieBand2004 said:TAMU1990 said:
Someone posted this on the premium board
Umps in the field should have seen that
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Caught in game, ejected and miss the next 4. SEC, not NCAA, rule I believe.SQ83 said:
Sorry if this has already been posted, but what's the consequence to a pitcher who's caught at this?
Removal from the game? Suspension for x number of future games?
If a team is caught more than once in a game, are there any chances of them forfeiting the game?
Maybe the shift should be banned, or at least follow the MLB rule.RevrndAg79 said:
An interesting thread. I know that when it comes to competition, the search for a competitive edge, legal or not, has always taken place.
But if it is that common, then why continue to hide it? An illegal edge that is unenforced or ignored has become, in effect, a legal edge. So, limit the rules to just the state of the game itself - having a pitch clock, use of a double bag at first, setting rules for where players can line up in a "shift," and the like. Then, let pitchers find their favorite grip enhancement substance (or even the old "spit ball" type of substances that effect a ball's flight), but also let batters use performance enhancing drugs and juice up their bats.
Of course, someone will ultimately pay the greatest price - an enhanced spin rate 95+ thrown ball will be batted back as a120 mile an hour velocity, hit right back at the mound and hit a pitcher. If he's lucky, it will just break a limb. If he is unlucky, a head shot will kill him.
Either rules mean something and have a purpose, or they do not. If the quality of competition regardless of means is more important than guaranteeing some form of fairness and safety, then open it up for both pitchers and batters. If natural ability or learned techniques are to mean more than chemical substances and performance enhancing drugs; or lowering the risk of someone eventually paying too high a price is important - then random checks and random drug testing may be required to quell the temptation to seek that "edge."
No. You should be able to place your defensive players wherever you want to. MLB changed it because they want more offense and runs. College baseball has plenty of both even with the shift.TAMU1990 said:Maybe the shift should be banned, or at least follow the MLB rule.RevrndAg79 said:
An interesting thread. I know that when it comes to competition, the search for a competitive edge, legal or not, has always taken place.
But if it is that common, then why continue to hide it? An illegal edge that is unenforced or ignored has become, in effect, a legal edge. So, limit the rules to just the state of the game itself - having a pitch clock, use of a double bag at first, setting rules for where players can line up in a "shift," and the like. Then, let pitchers find their favorite grip enhancement substance (or even the old "spit ball" type of substances that effect a ball's flight), but also let batters use performance enhancing drugs and juice up their bats.
Of course, someone will ultimately pay the greatest price - an enhanced spin rate 95+ thrown ball will be batted back as a120 mile an hour velocity, hit right back at the mound and hit a pitcher. If he's lucky, it will just break a limb. If he is unlucky, a head shot will kill him.
Either rules mean something and have a purpose, or they do not. If the quality of competition regardless of means is more important than guaranteeing some form of fairness and safety, then open it up for both pitchers and batters. If natural ability or learned techniques are to mean more than chemical substances and performance enhancing drugs; or lowering the risk of someone eventually paying too high a price is important - then random checks and random drug testing may be required to quell the temptation to seek that "edge."
dermdoc said:
There is now some chatter that the starter of game two yesterday was doing it also.
VegasAg86 said:dermdoc said:
There is now some chatter that the starter of game two yesterday was doing it also.
It didn't seem to help.
I can't imagine 45 was the only one doing it.
AggieBB said:VegasAg86 said:dermdoc said:
There is now some chatter that the starter of game two yesterday was doing it also.
It didn't seem to help.
I can't imagine 45 was the only one doing it.
The starter of game two yesterday for them absolutely shoved. We only scored two runs off of him.
VegasAg86 said:AggieBB said:VegasAg86 said:dermdoc said:
There is now some chatter that the starter of game two yesterday was doing it also.
It didn't seem to help.
I can't imagine 45 was the only one doing it.
The starter of game two yesterday for them absolutely shoved. We only scored two runs off of him.
LOL at me. I read that as game 2 of the series, not day. You're right, the starter in the second game yesterday did well.
Like I said, I can't imagine the closer was the only one that did it.
Would explain why we couldn't touch what looked like a mediocre sliderdermdoc said:
There is now some chatter that the starter of game two yesterday was doing it also.
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