Will be easy to guess the number of train engines.ensign_beedrill said:
Here's the right field berm picture.
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And this is the perfect example why taking seats away from longtime loyal season ticket holders for prime suite seating is bad business in the long run. You risk running off what would otherwise be inelastic demand.
Somebody who has had season tickets for 20 years will buy the same season tickets for the next 20 years through the good times and bad times. As we're seeing in football, the Johnny come latelys will buy up tickets when the team is winning, but they are also the first to leave when there's a subpar season.
I have four season tickets for football, when at the most I need two. If I get screwed on baseball they can keep all of their football tickets and I will buy off the secondary market when I want to attend football or baseball. I will save a lot of money.
Somebody who has had season tickets for 20 years will buy the same season tickets for the next 20 years through the good times and bad times. As we're seeing in football, the Johnny come latelys will buy up tickets when the team is winning, but they are also the first to leave when there's a subpar season.
I have four season tickets for football, when at the most I need two. If I get screwed on baseball they can keep all of their football tickets and I will buy off the secondary market when I want to attend football or baseball. I will save a lot of money.
I have a close friend who did just that, 15 years ago, gave up seasons tickets, with donation, to football and basketball.
Since then, he's been able to go to any game he wants to (he attends almost every one, in both sports), has never paid more than face value and, especially in football, ended up with better seats than were his season tickets.
Do it, you won't regret it.
RR
Since then, he's been able to go to any game he wants to (he attends almost every one, in both sports), has never paid more than face value and, especially in football, ended up with better seats than were his season tickets.
Do it, you won't regret it.
RR
Our seats are in 105 - we weren't happy with where they moved us with the original remodel - nor are we in a position to pay club level prices. We've had season tickets for ~14 years - 10 of them in the 'same' downstairs location. Being forced elsewhere would probably cause us to think long and hard about renewing - but, I guess we aren't the target market anyway, so I doubt we'd be missed.
That is simply not true even though it is repeated on here. We are at every game in the club. Every SEC home weekend game the club was almost full or full. Midweek games surethere are empty seats. But there are a lot of empty season ticket seats for those games.OnlyForNow said:
Insult to injury is that the seats sit empty the majority of games.
They should AT LEAST try to off load them in some form or fashion.
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Empty seats as a percentage of total available seats in the respective section; diamond club>>>>reserved>>>ga.
Can't argue that, and that's for every game.
Can't argue that, and that's for every game.
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Empty seats as a percentage of total available seats in the respective section; diamond club>>>>reserved>>>ga.
Can't argue that, and that's for every game.
Every reserved seat is sold whether occupied or not. Empty GA seats generate no revenue.
Ok.... not sure what the point is there?
Agreed. We go to lots of baseball games and are season ticket holders. I've commented more than once that the higher dollar seats are always more empty than other seats. And that GA is always more packed than even our cheaper season ticket seat areas. I just wish all would give those seats to some Ag. We always unload ours, even if for free to friends or for only a couple dollars on midweek games, if we're not going. Feel like I owe it to the team to have someone in our seats.
Moag. I feel the same way and do the same. I've found other Ags to sort of split my season tickets with. For weekday games I will probably give away the one I can't go to. I'm behind visitor dugout so if I put them on Flash Seats they are often bought by opposing fans.
Disagree. And unless you have done an actual survey, you do not know either. It is just that empty club seats show up on tv and the others do not.OnlyForNow said:
Empty seats as a percentage of total available seats in the respective section; diamond club>>>>reserved>>>ga.
Can't argue that, and that's for every game.
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The point is that people paid for those seats and they can do with them as they want. And the good news is there are going to be plenty of opportunities to buy some sort of club seats in the near future with the Blue Bell renovation.OnlyForNow said:
Ok.... not sure what the point is there?
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Just that a sold seat is serving a purpose, whether occupied or not, whereas an unoccupied GA seat is also an unsold seat. Also, your assumption is simply wrong. There are tons of empty GA seats for the weeknight games.OnlyForNow said:
Ok.... not sure what the point is there?
Agree and that is why our seats are always full. And I appreciate the tone of your post unlike some others on here.moag94 said:
Agreed. We go to lots of baseball games and are season ticket holders. I've commented more than once that the higher dollar seats are always more empty than other seats. And that GA is always more packed than even our cheaper season ticket seat areas. I just wish all would give those seats to some Ag. We always unload ours, even if for free to friends or for only a couple dollars on midweek games, if we're not going. Feel like I owe it to the team to have someone in our seats.
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There are tons of empty seats everywhere during weeknight games; GA having tons of empty seats doesn't necessarily defeat the assumption.twk said:Just that a sold seat is serving a purpose, whether occupied or not, whereas an unoccupied GA seat is also an unsold seat. Also, your assumption is simply wrong. There are tons of empty GA seats for the weeknight games.OnlyForNow said:
Ok.... not sure what the point is there?
From my personal visual surveys inside Kyle, Olsen, Reed, etc. from different parts of the stadiums, including the clubs, I don't think its a stretch to say actual attendance for GA is any more sporadic than actual attendance for season ticket holder areas.
Of course, you're right that unused season tickets still serve an important purpose---it's revenue in the bag; it's the financial security sports teams all over the world seek.
Yet, when someone doesn't use their ticket, there is still lost revenue and I'm sure we can all agree on one thing: people using their tickets, wherever they are, is preferential for both revenue and atmosphere.
Agree also. I just wish we could have a thread on here about renovation without bashing club seat ticket holders.
Of course, it happens every year on here on some thread so I guess I should be used to it. I do not get it but I am old and was brought up differently.
Of course, it happens every year on here on some thread so I guess I should be used to it. I do not get it but I am old and was brought up differently.
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Because they are going to take away tickets from people who bought season tickets.year after year.
But the GA above the opposing team dugout is what gives Olsen Field its character.twk said:Just that a sold seat is serving a purpose, whether occupied or not, whereas an unoccupied GA seat is also an unsold seat. Also, your assumption is simply wrong. There are tons of empty GA seats for the weeknight games.OnlyForNow said:
Ok.... not sure what the point is there?
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Agree also. I just wish we could have a thread on here about renovation without bashing club seat ticket holders.
Of course, it happens every year on here on some thread so I guess I should be used to it. I do not get it but I am old and was brought up differently.
Stop taking veiled and not-so-veiled potshots at people every thread and maybe some of that tension will subside.
With all due respect I did not start it. And I will be quiet now and follow the Astros at the office.
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Derm, I'm not basing you or other season ticket holders.
The high price you and your friends and seat neighbors are willing to pay, do help lower costs for students and GA most likely.
BUT they shouldn't further reduce GA/student seating in its current form; what is GA/student seating now should remain that way (and I mean the specific location of those seats). Want to add more, that's great but don't take away one of the things that makes Olsen special.
Others have already commented that even basic level season ticket holders got the shaft when seating reassignment occurred; and while you can't please everyone a blatant money grab is just that and I'm against it.
The high price you and your friends and seat neighbors are willing to pay, do help lower costs for students and GA most likely.
BUT they shouldn't further reduce GA/student seating in its current form; what is GA/student seating now should remain that way (and I mean the specific location of those seats). Want to add more, that's great but don't take away one of the things that makes Olsen special.
Others have already commented that even basic level season ticket holders got the shaft when seating reassignment occurred; and while you can't please everyone a blatant money grab is just that and I'm against it.
I agree on the GA and student thing. I am not aware of anybody who got "shafted" and do not think it was a money grab. I do not understand the derogatory comments on here every year about the club seat ticket holders. And there have been some pretty nasty things said and it has even been suggested on here if the club seat folks do not use their tickets they can be fined.
And we will get a thread before the season from the folks who want to drive up from Houston or down from Dallas for a big weekend series and be pissed if one club seat is empty or they have to pay more than face value for a prime seat. It just gets very tiresome and smacks of entitlement. But that is just me and most of the club seat ticket folks I know. And why we do not give our tickets away on here.
The Astros did win however so there is that.
And we will get a thread before the season from the folks who want to drive up from Houston or down from Dallas for a big weekend series and be pissed if one club seat is empty or they have to pay more than face value for a prime seat. It just gets very tiresome and smacks of entitlement. But that is just me and most of the club seat ticket folks I know. And why we do not give our tickets away on here.
The Astros did win however so there is that.
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I don't think there will be any reduction of GA. The additional seating down the 3rd base line will be reserved seats. They do not appear to be contemplating adding more GA seating, although there will be some more GA berm in RF.
See and I think that's a good/bad move.
They need to build something like a SRO deck or something, I guess the Berm serves that purpose?
I'd like to see the breezeway cleared out and those folks have another area to go to.
They need to build something like a SRO deck or something, I guess the Berm serves that purpose?
I'd like to see the breezeway cleared out and those folks have another area to go to.
Well I apologize for anything I said that was rude or derogatory.
You're an extremely ardent supporter of Aggie baseball and enough good things can't be said about you and the others who are like you.
Even the folks that may not use their tickets in reserved or club are still supporting the team. I just hope that any renovation isn't all about getting more money from high dollar donors.
You're an extremely ardent supporter of Aggie baseball and enough good things can't be said about you and the others who are like you.
Even the folks that may not use their tickets in reserved or club are still supporting the team. I just hope that any renovation isn't all about getting more money from high dollar donors.
Cool. And I think you will be pleasantly surprised. I also think that your thoughts are given serious consideration by the powers that be. The basic problem we have is not having enough non berm seats and I think that will be taken care of.OnlyForNow said:
Well I apologize for anything I said that was rude or derogatory.
You're an extremely ardent supporter of Aggie baseball and enough good things can't be said about you and the others who are like you.
Even the folks that may not use their tickets in reserved or club are still supporting the team. I just hope that any renovation isn't all about getting more money from high dollar donors.
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And I appreciate the nice words but I am pretty much a turd. As are the "others like me". But we are y'all's turds.
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I don't think people who complain about any season ticket holders who frequently let their seats sit empty is entitlement. I think they view the season ticket holders as greedy. They don't begrudge them for having the seats, but to have them and not use them when there are so many trying to buy season tickets is what rubs fans the wrong way. The club seats are the best seats in the stadium so that is an extra factor. And I do think their attendance record is worse.dermdoc said:
I agree on the GA and student thing. I am not aware of anybody who got "shafted" and do not think it was a money grab. I do not understand the derogatory comments on here every year about the club seat ticket holders. And there have been some pretty nasty things said and it has even been suggested on here if the club seat folks do not use their tickets they can be fined.
And we will get a thread before the season from the folks who want to drive up from Houston or down from Dallas for a big weekend series and be pissed if one club seat is empty or they have to pay more than face value for a prime seat. It just gets very tiresome and smacks of entitlement. But that is just me and most of the club seat ticket folks I know. And why we do not give our tickets away on here.
The Astros did win however so there is that.
Like the other poster, I see it as almost a duty to have Aggies in my seats when I can't get to a game. It does take extra work to do so.
Rebuilding Kyle field was one thing. There were sections that were extremely old and it needed to be done. Olsen Field, on the other hand, was renovated just a few (6,7?) years ago. To take sections that have been sold out year after year and convert them to diamond club because high priority point people want them says entitlement to me. If they want to add more club seats then do so, but I think they should do it like the Zone addition to Kyle Field rather than displace existing loyal season ticket holders.
Well then get active in the 12th Man Foundation and voice your concerns. We could always use the help.
And guess I am old school, but I never ***** about other people's activities as they regard any season ticket stuff as I figure they paid for the right to do with their property what they want.
I have always found that instead of spending time *****ing, I could get busy and try to change things. Much more fulfilling but takes more effort.
And guess I am old school, but I never ***** about other people's activities as they regard any season ticket stuff as I figure they paid for the right to do with their property what they want.
I have always found that instead of spending time *****ing, I could get busy and try to change things. Much more fulfilling but takes more effort.
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And how is somebody being "greedy" if they have legally bought and paid for something? Do you let strangers drive your car?
For the record, I wish every Aggie who could not make a game would give away or sell their tickets. As I have stated, because of the attitude on here, I would never give away my tickets on here. And of course, you don't look at it as entitlement, that would mean you are in the wrong.
Isn't entitlement defined by you thinking someone else should share their legally bought product because you feel entitled to it? Much more applicable than "greedy".
Have a good day!
For the record, I wish every Aggie who could not make a game would give away or sell their tickets. As I have stated, because of the attitude on here, I would never give away my tickets on here. And of course, you don't look at it as entitlement, that would mean you are in the wrong.
Isn't entitlement defined by you thinking someone else should share their legally bought product because you feel entitled to it? Much more applicable than "greedy".
Have a good day!
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One more thing, I actually agree with you on season ticket holders being displaced and will work to make my opinion known fwiw. I believe that very few, if any, "loyal season ticket holders"are going to be displaced without a good faith effort it be made whole. Life is a lot easier not living like a victim,
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I think most of the heartburn from long-time season ticket holders in the first renovation was the lack of communication. For example, my heartburn about being kicked out of the Olsen Field parking lot during the renovation after 25 years had nothing to do with feeling like a victim or that I was treated unfairly. It was the lack of communication. I didn't know that the parking I paid for three months earlier wasn't available until I opened up my ticket package they sent out a couple weeks before the season and there wasn't a parking pass. No phone call. No letter. I thought it was an oversight when I called. Nope. No oversight.dermdoc said:
One more thing, I actually agree with you on season ticket holders being displaced and will work to make my opinion known fwiw. I believe that very few, if any, "loyal season ticket holders"are going to be displaced without a good faith effort it be made whole. Life is a lot easier not living like a victim,
Guys like K-Man were never informed that he was being moved and wasn't consulted as to his options for relocation. They reassigned his seats and said that's where he would be. That was the heartburn many had. That's the reason that K-Man told me he left. Not that they did it, but how they did it. It's a shame that Aggie baseball lost a huge, loyal fan like K-Man and others like him. In the long run, that's not good for Aggie baseball.
I strongly feel that for any sport at any level, season ticket holders should be given a right of first refusal on their general location at whatever the new rate will be. So if my seat was replaced by the new suite section, then whatever the new price and donation for that area, I should be offered that deal. Now, 95% of those folks will decline because a $350 ticket goes up to $3000 or whatever that number is, but it's a matter of principle for me.
I just hope this next renovation takes these things into consideration. I know TMF needs the extra money, but Aggie baseball also needs the loyal, rank-and-file long-term season ticket holder who are the core of this program's fanbase along w the students.
And the new renovation can be a win-win if they make the 3rd base berm into the premium section and connect it to the luxury area below the stands. Despite what TexasAggie2011 says, those would be very good seats and would attract a premium demand w proper amenities.
Agree with all that. And bad communication is probably the cause of most problems. To me though that is totally different thing than the griping about how club seat ticket holders use their seats.
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Greed is desiring and attaining something beyond your needs, especially when you don't intend to really put to its proper use...and it's even more so "greed" when that something is a particularly rare product.
Purchasing something legally doesn't mean you're not greedy; it just means you're not a thief.
People are free to do what they want with things they own, within limits, but it doesn't make them free of outside perception the same way people are free to speak but are not excused from outside perception.
Anyways, some folks may not like the way someone frames or explains the issue, but surely we all agree it's better seats are actually be filled with butts rather than empty.
And Dermdoc, you played the "he started it" card earlier to me; let's tone down the moralistics.
Purchasing something legally doesn't mean you're not greedy; it just means you're not a thief.
People are free to do what they want with things they own, within limits, but it doesn't make them free of outside perception the same way people are free to speak but are not excused from outside perception.
Anyways, some folks may not like the way someone frames or explains the issue, but surely we all agree it's better seats are actually be filled with butts rather than empty.
And Dermdoc, you played the "he started it" card earlier to me; let's tone down the moralistics.
So if I buy Astro season and playoff tickets and there is a waiting list for tickets, am I being greedy if I sit on them and do not sell them? Why are you or anyone else somehow entitled to the use of my tickets?
Greedy would be if I bought extra tickets due to my status and scalped them.
And "perception"? Really? Why do you think no club seat tickets are offered on this forum?
Greedy would be if I bought extra tickets due to my status and scalped them.
And "perception"? Really? Why do you think no club seat tickets are offered on this forum?
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