a girl at the games printed out like 600 copies of some of the these traditions but was told to quit when she started handing them out. putting them on the seats i think is ok, but most of them would be wasted because the seats are empty. she is trying to see if ryan (head yell leader) can hand them out or do something about it. also, maybe it seems kinda stupid to some people when only a few people are doing this stuff, but the point is to get students into the game now so they want to come back. just a couple of games ago it was only me and my roommate saying you, you, you, yoooouuu, now we have 30 or 40 people. hopefully people start bringing their own sheet of paper in the future like they used to. it should hopefully catch on, this stuff didn't just all the sudden start happing in the past. give it time, but help us out for now.

[This message has been edited by bgrimm05 (edited 12/16/2004 10:37a).]

Wow, it has gotten crowded in 106. My wife and I had to move students out of our seats and it was still pretty crowded. This is a good problem, mind you, but I'd prefer the students consolidate so the student section didn't look so pathetic. I guess if the durn season ticket holders in 106 would actually show up we wouldn't have this "problem".

Ah well, baby steps...

b i was talkin to her last night and she said that you cant put anything on the seats. She tried before the game sunday and they made her stop. She's done a good job trying to get everything going, but needs help. It may help to get the you you you yoooouuu thing and counting and swaying on freethrows if we spread out through the students. If the 30 people participating all sit together its hard to get people on the other side of the student section to participate.

HEY> friend of cheese-I tried that. I got in trouble just last week. The only way (that I have found) that we can give out printed copies is if people ask US for them. I was told that I can tell everyone verbally but can't hand anything out that is written b/c it isn't approved by the U. I found a loophole in that if people ask me for a WRITTEN copy, then I can give it to them.

I even called UPD about putting the little "fliers" on cars-it isn't legal-if I'm caught doing it, I get a citation-don't have the $$ for that.

I have found that I can get a "concessions permit" but when I printed out the paperwork for that, I found out that I have to be part of an organization on campus.....those ppl didn't tell me that.

Anyhow, if someone can help me figure out a way to pass these things out (i have about 1000) I would love some input. or you can tell people to come find me-i'm always on the front row of the student section (being the 12th man that i am.)

my email is the same at yahoo if you have suggestions (or anyone else has any for that matter.)

dmb - Have you tried talking to the athletic department or somebody affiliated with the basketball team? I'm sure they would be willing to help, or at least point you in the right direction.

99_aggie_grad - current students from UF (about 30 of them) are the ones that told me that.

While I agree with standing and being loud the entire game, and the reload thing on free throws, do we really need to do all of the things that the hecklers did at high school basketball games in college (like counting the driblles and yelling "you you you".

I'm all for making Reed a tough place to play, but that kinda stuff just makes us look like a high school.

look at any tough college venues and you will find heckling. i've never seen anything like that at high school games, but then again i've only been to about 40 high school gyms out of the thousands in the country. they are probably just copying colleges. i'm up for any suggestions though. these were just traditions, which obviously don't mean much to a&m anymore and can be easily changed (or dropped). so sad.

I've got no problems with heckling -- I do have problems with heckling like high school kids though.

Counting the number of bounces during a free throw attempt is damn near middle-school... Do you ever see/hear any other major college program in the country doing that? I sure don't.

And please don't try to pull the "traditions" card with anything that relates to Aggie basketball. Whatever tradition there might have been at G. Rollie was lost long ago -- and we don't need to start new one's that are straight out of middle school.

i haven't suggested any new traditions to start. these are just things that aggies have done in the past, both in g. rollie and reed. once again, i've only seen similar things in college hoops. i don't know what you're talking about with high school or midle school or whatever, but i know for a fact that heckling such as before mentioned is plentiful in college. in high school games from what i've seen for 21 years, the kids just make fun of the other team and giggle about it. if they are creative with their heckling, there's nothing wrong with that. did it ever occur to you that the high school kids might be trying to heckle like college kids instead of us trying to heckle like high schoolers? i didn't know heckling was about maturity (i suspected the opposite). give me a break. but since you're such an expert, oh god of basketball heckling, what shall we do?

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That's exactly my point.

I think it was the Missouri game last year when someone had printouts of somethign funny regarding the Missouri player that had been charged with beating up his girlfriend or some crap like that. *That* was creative.

Counting the dribbles on the free throws is *not* creative. Counting the dribbles on the free throws is about the furthest thing from creative.

Hell, I'm not a huge fan of jingling the keys when we are about to win -- but I'll take that over counting dribbles.

From what I've heard, the original guy who started the Rowdies graduated, as did his brother (who was the 2nd president I believe). After that, nobody in the organization has really taken any initiative to do anything.

Although I'll admit that the students that were at the men's game today did a better job than they have all season at trying to get something started.

On another note, I like it when we say 'left right left right sit down!' w/ each footstep for an opponent that fouls out.

hayden, is counting dribbles they only thing you have a problem with? i've only been around the last four years, so i've never seen anyone do it, i've just heard they used to at g. rollie. do you also think the stuff we do at baseball games is stupid? what is so uncreative with that as opposed to couting practice swings or yelling beep, beep, beep? just trying to get a view as to why you pointed out that one thing as being dumb or immature as opposed to anything else us aggies do.

Here's a quick reference:

If it was done when you were in middle school, it looks pretty stupid if you do it at a big university.

hayden, the middle school kids do it BECAUSE they see it on tv. Since they dont show high school games on tv, and pro games they just wave those damn sticks, that must mean the got it from watching COLLEGE basketball. Of course they way your talking I'm getting the impression that your a female freshman stuck in your highschool klick. You want us to do something else, come up with something, dont just cry about how its so immature to count the dribbles.

If you want to have a real basketball crowd and you want the student body to be creative, you have to get rid of the yell leaders. The fans will take care of themselves (much like baseball) if they don't have someone out there leading a basketball game with football yells.

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You have to get rid of the "football" culture in order to have a basketball environment. The only yell that translates well to Basketball is "Sit Down Bus Driver".

handing out fliers makes us look pathetic! i remember when they were handed out last year when we played Kansas (i think) and I was really embarrassed. i can only imagine what the KU fans must have been thinking. "wow, these aggies don't know a thing about basketball so they need people to tell them what to do at a game." really embarrassing!

and i agree, a basketball game is not the place for yell leaders or anything planned and organized. it's great for football...but not basketball. too many people worry more about what to do in the stands instead of actually watching the game and reacting normally.

[This message has been edited by sixiron (edited 12/20/2004 11:16a).]

Those of you students bouncing ideas around have some great ones, hopefully the new Rowdies leadership will have a lot going on in the spring.

As for the endless YL situation, I don't mind them being there, I mind that their mentality regarding basketball at Reed is it's nothing but off-season yell practice.

There's still a place for them in Reed if they would let hoops evolve its own traditions.

There's no excuse for every sporting venue at A&M having its own traditions, but when it comes to hoops we have to just do what they do at Kyle in the fall.

The frustrating thing is it seems the YLs have regressed from last year, after six years of trying to work on it they're still stuck on the whole idea that doing "aaaaaaaaaaaaa" constantly when we're on defense is in anyway effective.

2K

Want to let everyone know that the Reed Rowdies will be back in action soon. My son Matt Stubbs, class of '04 is vice-president of the Rowdies,(wears the basketball head at the games) has been at the Santa Chiara Study Center, Italy this past semester but he says they are going to get going for the rest of the games. You can contact him at moonraker32@yahoo.com for info.
Gig em and BTHO everybody

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hayden, the middle school kids do it BECAUSE they see it on tv.

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They saw it on TV 8 years ago when it was actually somewhat creative! Are we trying to be 10 years behind the times in our heckling? Should we start yelling "nanna nanna boo boo!" from the seats too?

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You nailed it. Or maybe I get embarassed at how damn stupid we look doing stuff like that, and how much every other school laughs at us when we do it. When we do yells at football games its *impressive* and serves a purpose. Fans who have never seen it before a step back and say "wow!". When we count the dribbles like this is 1988, other people wonder if we even have a clue.

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You want us to do something else, come up with something

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How about just stand up and yell the whole time? Seems to work for other schools.

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If you want to have a real basketball crowd and you want the student body to be creative, you have to get rid of the yell leaders. The fans will take care of themselves (much like baseball) if they don't have someone out there leading a basketball game with football yells.

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Amen... But how many years have we been saying that?


Yell leaders would work if we did away with the yells. Have the yell leaders complement the jumbotron (oh, wait ) at times when we need to tell the entire arena to get on their feet.

As for an idea of what kind of heckling to do -- do anything, just make it creative and not circa 1988. As I mentioned before, when Missouri came to town and we had some printouts of the guy who was recently arrested on Missouri's team, that was creative. When we got close to 80 a few times and the fans would start chanting "cheeseburgers", while a bit stupid, was creative and funny to hear...

The jingling of keys... eh well... I'll speak up about that like I did a few years ago when we started doing it -- it's fine if you are a program that is a consistent winner. I think when (if) this program becomes a consistent winner, we can get a little arrogant and jingle keys.


While I have a lot of negative things to say about the program (because, well, there are a lot of negative things about the program), I'd die to see it do well. In my 5 years at A&M the only thing I wanted was to see post-season play in basketball (NIT or NCAA, didn't matter). I would have given up every football win we had in those 5 years to see the basketball team improve and start succeeding. Why? Because Texas A&M football has no excuse to not be a Top 15 team every year, so when they aren't (like a lot recently), its disappointing. But basketball was different in that we have never been really good at basketball, so any win was a good one. I rank the Missouri upset as one of my favorite Aggie sports moments in those 5 years.

hayden, why are you so negative to aggies and aggie basketball? it makes me wonder if you even like being a part of a&m. i can point out many negative things about texas a&m and aggie athletics. but the postives outnumber the negatives many times over. why mention so many negative things, more or less disregarding all the great things? i just have one comment about basketball traditions. our yells were made up decades ago. much more outdated than our basketball traditions. do you think those are old and should be thrown out? how about yelling stupid, stupid at baseball games. that was started a long time ago and is outdated. circa 1988 isn't very long ago when you consider the things we do in other sports. why don't we just get up and yell the whole game like other schools? because we are not like other schools. you should have figured that out by now. other schools can heckle or yell or whatever, but we should do it our own way. i wasn't particularly in favor of counting dribbles, but not because i thought it was dumb or anything. i just thought it wouldn't be as intimidating as if the entire student section was full and sawed varsity's horns off while they were shooting free throws. but if people want to count dribbles instead, then i'll do it. just think how silly some of our heckling traditions are in baseball. they're meant to be that way to distract the other team. if you're embarrased about what other people may think about you, that my friend is high school immaturity.

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bgrimm obviously hayden has issues with the basketball team. We tell him to come up with something better and all he does is complain somemore. And I hate to say it, but we had a majority swaying at the game sunday and 30 people swaying back and forth just dont cut it. If we get some students to show up we may get away from counting dribbles, but anything that takes the shooters mind off the shot is what we're going for at the moment and acting like "middle school" kids is all we got.

BTW, I will be very disappointed if we don't do weed leaves for Ok. State and the pothead, err "model citizen", on their team.

Those of you on here who are students trying to get handouts and other things like that into the stands, get ahold of the Rowdy leaders...

moonraker32 [at] yahoo.com
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ifr18 [at] neo.tamu.edu

The first is one of the VPs, the second is the president. They can help you out and would love the help.


2K

[This message has been edited by AG 2000' (edited 12/21/2004 5:56p).]

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hayden, why are you so negative to aggies and aggie basketball?

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Possibly because we are one of the biggest and richest schools in the entire nation and yet have fielded cellar dwellar teams year after year after year while teams in the same geographic area have managed to succeed.

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i can point out many negative things about texas a&m and aggie athletics. but the postives outnumber the negatives many times over. why mention so many negative things, more or less disregarding all the great things?

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Because I refuse to just sit by with a Hello Kitty smile on my face saying "yeah we suck, but maybe we'll get better next year... at least we're trying!" and watch the same thing occur year after year. Watching idiots like yourself enter the school and all of a sudden fall into this trance of "Bernard King is the greatest basketball player that has ever graced the courts" does nothing to help bring this program to the reality that it is bad and that being bad is unnacceptable.

There's a big difference between being embarassed about what other people think about you and being embarassed about something childish your school does for no other reason than that they don't know any better. It's when people start accepting sub-par performance as "the way it is" that nothing ever changes.

The basketball team has been an *embarassment* the last 5 years. If you consider me a "bad Aggie" for saying that, you're an idiot that needs to take his maroon colored shades off.

hayden, way to go. spoken like a true t-sip. complaining and b*tching isn't helping any more than the people who sit there and say it's ok and maybe we'll do better next year. but i still have much more respect for them than someone like you who cries about everything but does nothing about it. if you don't like what we have, be postive and try to make things better, or get the hell out of town. we don't need people like you bringing us down. i've stepped up and tried to make things better without bringing down aggies and the aggie basketball team. things are looking up and we need to keep pushing in the right direction. people like you are the reason aggie basketball seems to get better, then never catches on and skids back down to the cellar.

btw, you're retarded if you think anyone feels that bk is the best thing to ever walk on the court. he is, however, probably the best player that a&m had ever had until he graduated, including the few that went on to the nba. antoine will probably surpass him due to more athleticism and apparently better coaching. bk was still good for aggie basketball and was the only spark of hope aggies had for a long time.

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99_aggie_grad - current students from UF (about 30 of them) are the ones that told me that.

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Cool. Of course, if I told you 30 Texas A&M students told me something about a basketball game you would laugh at me.

I'm just relaying what I saw on TV. If there were alum in front of the students, A) they were midgets and B) there was only one row of them.

how can you tell a 24 year old alum from a 22 year old student?

dp

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mhayden vs bgrimm. No the only way to tell is to ask really.

okay, sorry for being out of the loop for so long, but dang, i don't see many of you that are b*tching & moaning trying to get things going at the games. at least some of us are trying to do something about the traditions, or more on the nose, spirit at bball games.

Personally, i don't want to sit around (or stand) and yell d-d-d-defense or defense (clap*clap) defense! one of the reasons that i came here is b/c of how different it is-at basically everything.

sixiron-well, right now, we definitely need the YLs-they help keep the 6 of us that show up at every game in line. sorry that you think handing out fliers is pathetic, but maybe you would like to walk around and tell everyone the traditions or send emails, or whatever else, personally a lot of people won't remember what others tell them thus is the reason that we have the fliers.

i'm just trying to get some spirit going on along with a few others-and it seems that basically all anyone really has to say about it is to b*tch and moan that we aren't RR and we need to get rid of the YLs.

Wow....what a find this thread is

I love this original posters dedication. I think if everyone really knew the traditions they wouldn't have a problem following them. Its nice to know that even when a&m wasnt doing well people were still there and creating these traditions. GIG EM!

you need a hobby

Wow, I got a 3 year old thread ttt'd! I feel special. The student section is 10000 times better now, but still not where I envision it could be, and should be, given our success. I wish I could still be there every game.