Phelps

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LuoJi said:

Calling Phelps bad is peak Aggie ball fandom
If you think Phelps is bad, you would probably still coach your team to run a 4 corners offense.
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billydean05 said:

Phelps is just a pretty bad basketball player. Poor dribbler poor shooter and not good ups on drives. Thankfully his defense is great


What?

Room for improvement, yeah. Pretty bad basketball player? Ridiculous.

It's still really early in the season. This team and everyone in the team will continue to get better.
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Well, you spelled "Ag" wrong so who knows?
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Method Man said:

Well, you spelled "Ag" wrong so who knows?

And you are right. I tried "Agbymarriage" (taken), "Ag-by-marriage" (taken), "aggiebymarriage" (taken), and a host of other tries. This one was available.

It's not optimal and wish I could change it. Truly.

ABM
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I generally agree with this, but I cringe anytime he shoots from anywhere outside of about 3 ft. He is a 4th year guy with a track record as a pretty terrible shooter. We need him to collapse the defense and dish to Wade outside, a big underneath or get fouled, not be someone who holds the ball for 20 seconds a possession and shoots more than one or two threes per game.

The potential is there and he is just getting used to playing with these guys and not having to be a team's only option like at SMU, but I'm really hoping to see him settle down and play with more control over the next few weeks.
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One side or the other will have validation after this week - I'm rooting for the kid but not hopeful.
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How can you not AT LEAST be hopeful?

He basically didn't practice preseason and in four games is shooting 56% from 2 (something the rest of our guards are terrible at) and has an assist rate of 25.5% (definitely in the zone that we're hoping for) and is in the top ten in the country in steal percentage. He has four fewer steals in four games than Boots did in 31 games last year.

And in one of those four games we dusted a ranked team. I know the other three were bad teams but he played a key role in us just completely shutting down Ohio State, currently a top 25 efficiency offense.

At a bare minimum he's established that he's a solid threat attacking the basket and a high level defender.

Yes he's been loose with the ball and he's shot a few too many threes, I'm not saying he's been great, but I don't know how you could watch him play and not at least be hopeful about what he's bringing to the floor this season considering he's been playing and practicing for like three weeks.
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I noticed He has been getting a bunch of steals this season.
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bobinator said:

How can you not AT LEAST be hopeful?

He basically didn't practice preseason and in four games is shooting 56% from 2 (something the rest of our guards are terrible at) and has an assist rate of 25.5% (definitely in the zone that we're hoping for) and is in the top ten in the country in steal percentage. He has four fewer steals in four games than Boots did in 31 games last year.

And in one of those four games we dusted a ranked team. I know the other three were bad teams but he played a key role in us just completely shutting down Ohio State, currently a top 25 efficiency offense.

At a bare minimum he's established that he's a solid threat attacking the basket and a high level defender.

Yes he's been loose with the ball and he's shot a few too many threes, I'm not saying he's been great, but I don't know how you could watch him play and not at least be hopeful about what he's bringing to the floor this season considering he's been playing and practicing for like three weeks.
Well for starters I gave him a B+ in his debut and haven't seen improvement since. Let's also look at his stat line against the only team with a pulse that he has played - Ohio State:

MIN 31
FG 3-12 (25%)
2PT 2-7 (28.5%)
3PT 1-5 (20%)
FT 7-12 (58%)
OREB 1
DREB 3
REB 4
AST 3
STL 2
BLK 0
TO 6 (equal to the rest of our team combined)
PF 4
PTS 14

I've been told to give him a break due to circumstances and wait (how long though?) and that we'll be super happy to have him on the team by the end of the season so I wasn't going to comment much on him until after Vegas but... you asked.


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Our whole offense was pretty rough against Ohio State but he still made some really nice plays and played 31 minutes in a game where we rolled a top 25 team. Surely that has to give you some hope right? If we beat a good team even with him having that stat line, imagine what we could do if he was even a little better offensively, and that's not that hard to imagine right?
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Sure if he made more baskets and didn't turn it over as much he, and the team, would be better. Waiting for that larger sample size Vegas will give to pass judgement and think that's fair. I just don't see reason for unbridled optimism.

Looking forward to getting a better bead on him and the team this week.
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TombstoneTex said:

Looking forward to getting a better bead on him and the team this week.
In about 48 hours after Oregon and Creighton you'll certainly have like 3 times the data that you have right now.
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Can't wait! Let's win!!!
bobinator
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Yeah my point was you can choose to hope. It's not like an insane hope or anything like saying maybe this is year Hefner becomes a knock down shooter or anything that wild. It's not outlandish to think Phelps is going to be *at least* a solid player for us at this point.
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AggByMarriage said:

Method Man said:

Well, you spelled "Ag" wrong so who knows?

And you are right. I tried "Agbymarriage" (taken), "Ag-by-marriage" (taken), "aggiebymarriage" (taken), and a host of other tries. This one was available.

It's not optimal and wish I could change it. Truly.

ABM


You try AggieHusband?
EliteZags
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how bout StayAtHomeAggieHusband
Method Man
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EliteZags said:

how bout StayAtHomeAggieHusband
Method Man
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AggieBabyDaddy
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Method Man said:

AggieBabyDaddy

:|

yeah, thanks for the suggestions… I'll suffer this one for a while longer

ABM
Method Man
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He played well until everyone played like crap and blew it again.
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Phelps and Wade can't be on the floor at the same time. There's a real power struggle going on there. Phelps is very Jamal Crawford-y
Give me the guy who shoots for excellence and fails over the guy who shoots for mediocrity and succeeds.
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Another pretty bad game against good competition.
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AggByMarriage said:

Method Man said:

AggieBabyDaddy

:|

yeah, thanks for the suggestions… I'll suffer this one for a while longer

ABM


You da man dawg
Method Man
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2-15???? Just shoot from hakfcourt
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He was definitely rough offensively tonight and had a couple tough fouls late. I still really like him though.
2nd Generation Ag
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Get better? Everyone on the team is in the 4th or 5th year. That's what's frustrating people. We shouldn't need time to gel at this point
2nd Generation Ag
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Look at his SMU stats .. Not great. He is just like Wade. If he would just take quality shots and play within the system all of those stats would get better. It would be less shots but more productivity. So instead of 2-15 he should be more like 5-11 but all good quality shots.
Method Man
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Shot 3 of 15 vs Ags last season. Buzz was impressed and he shot 2 of 15 tonight lol
bobinator
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Every team needs time to gel every year. Any coach will tell you that every team every year is different.

The two time defending national champions are in the top third in the country in minutes continuity and they've lost back to back games to unranked teams this week (though Memphis is probably about to be ranked.)

Early season basketball is volatile, no matter how much experience you have coming back.

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He does take some of the PG duties off of 4. Hopefully he starts making a higher percentage of buckets.
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bobinator
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This is his biggest contribution. That and his defense. He's a light years better defender than Boots was.
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2nd Generation Ag said:

Look at his SMU stats .. Not great. He is just like Wade. If he would just take quality shots and play within the system all of those stats would get better. It would be less shots but more productivity. So instead of 2-15 he should be more like 5-11 but all good quality shots.


Clearly a big "if" at this point though.
Method Man
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At one point in the game we were down 4. Phelps hit two FTs and a layup. That's all I got. Super stupid foul after we went up 3.
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bobinator said:

Every team needs time to gel every year. Any coach will tell you that every team every year is different.

The two time defending national champions are in the top third in the country in minutes continuity and they've lost back to back games to unranked teams this week (though Memphis is probably about to be ranked.)

Early season basketball is volatile, no matter how much experience you have coming back.


We have a winner
TombstoneTex
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First two games of this tournament haven't changed my opinion much. Beginning to think Phelps should come off the bench and play closer to 20 minutes than 30.

At least until he starts becoming more of a team player (on the court, I'm not commenting on being a good or bad teammate) playing more controlled ball, ups his assists and takes better shots.

Too much riding on this season to have a transfer come in and shoot 13% on 15 shots regularly.
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