Brandon Miller

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Lt. Joe Bookman
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JJxvi said:

Lt. Joe Bookman said:

I don't disagree, but you said that the police never said that they blocked the car in, when the police have said just that.
Uh here is what I said....its like a few posts up and you responded to it....

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Support this statement.

This is more "fill-in-the-blank"

The detective said that the street was blocked by two cars (the other supposedly belonged to another Alabama basketball player, Jaden Bradley, BTW). Nowhere did he say either car had purposely blocked the street. He did not say that both cars arrived together, he did not say which car arrived second and therefore was the actual one that blocked the street. So everyone just inferred that "Miller blocked the car in on purpose" out of nowhere. Its also a disputed fact, Miller's attorney gave a different story. So you have the police saying two cars blocked the street, you have Millers attorney saying Miller did not block the street.

There is no evidence that Miller blocked them in. The police did not say that. And yet, literally its repeated over and over and over as gospel. Thats what I'm white-knighting against. People just believing what someone else said because it fits their outrage.
The closest I came to saying "the police never said that they blocked the car in" is in bold. It is a factual statement. Find me a quote from the police that says Miller blocked them in with blame assigned to Miller. It does not exist. Miller and Bradley may have coordinated to block the street, but the police havent said that. What they said was that Miller and Bradleys cars were blocking the street. Maybe they did do it on purpose? Maybe not. But Wetzel's, and other journalists, and social medias use of the words "blocked them in" implies a different kind of thing than what was actually said.
From the article I linked..

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On the return trip, police allege that Miller parked his car in a manner that blocked the Jeep that Harris, her boyfriend and a cousin, who is an Alabama student, were in. Bradley also allegedly parked his car in that manner.
I guess you're saying that Wetzel is making that up? Maybe you should "support that statement?"
JJxvi
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Culpepper said that two cars were blocking the street. One of those cars is Miller's. Wetzel does not quote the police, instead he summarizes what was said in a way to imply to the reader that Miller, the target of his article, purposefully did it. This type of interpretation by Wetzel and others, leads to a lot of claims (many can be found on this thread) that Miller intentionally found and blocked a Jeep so that someone inside it could be murdered which is not anywhere close to what "police allege"

What Wetzel says is not false, it just does not include any actual quote from the police for the actual context. The reader is led to a certain conclusion based on his summarization.
Lt. Joe Bookman
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Do you have the quotes to support that?
JJxvi
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This is the best neutral article i have read that reports on details from the hearing. Unfortunately, no it does not have the actual quotes. But here is the link and how it characterizes the testimony. I suspect the testimony did not go into any great detail about this because neither of the cars were driven by the two who have been actually charged with the murder. Its a news article and not a sports article.

https://www.al.com/news/2023/02/darius-miles-texted-brandon-miller-to-bring-gun-used-to-kill-jamea-jonae-harris-police-testify.html

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Two vehicles - a Dodge Charger and a Dodge Challenger that belonged to Miles' teammates, Miller and Bradley - were blocking the road where the Jeep was parked.



Lt. Joe Bookman
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JJxvi said:

This is the best neutral article i have read that reports on details from the hearing. Unfortunately, no it does not have the actual quotes. But here is the link and how it characterizes the testimony. I suspect the testimony did not go into any great detail about this because neither of the cars were driven by the two who have been actually charged with the murder. Its a news article and not a sports article.

https://www.al.com/news/2023/02/darius-miles-texted-brandon-miller-to-bring-gun-used-to-kill-jamea-jonae-harris-police-testify.html

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Two vehicles - a Dodge Charger and a Dodge Challenger that belonged to Miles' teammates, Miller and Bradley - were blocking the road where the Jeep was parked.




Like I said, I get it, but your entire premise was that Wetzel is leading the reader by not including actual police quotes. But al.com isn't for some reason, even though they do not include actual police quotes.

Like everything, I'm sure the truth lies somewhere in the middle. I don't think you, or anyone else, knows if they blocked their car intentionally or not. But it is odd that they parked in a manner to block the road.
ahpetty33
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Was listening to the show this morning. David and Olin were doing a good job covering the attorney's statement, but Olin kept attributing the quote "the heat is in the hat" to Miller, when it was the 3rd friend who said that. The attorney is saying that the two men who were already on the scene were the only ones who were aware of the gun in the back seat. I have a hard time believing this as well, but this all goes into the reason the police are not charging him. Absent any proof, it is difficult to judge intent.
JJxvi
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The attorney's statement actually did not say that Miller didn't know the gun was there. They crafted a statement which said three things: #1 Miller never saw the gun, #2 Miller never handled the gun and #3 The gun was concealed in the back seat under clothes. They too leave it to the reader to make a leap from there that Miller might not have known the gun was there. They wont say he did know because they want the state to have prove it if they charge him. Miller almost certainly knew Miles carried a gun, and the text from Miles to Miller doesn't explain details that Miller would need to know if Miller did not know it was there.
ahpetty33
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Reading the statement again i believe you are right. There is too much smoke to believe Miller was ignorant of the situation. That's my opinion, but i suppose it cant be proven. To add to my earlier post though, Steven McGee then followed up in "That's bullcrap" by saying it was Miller's gun, and neither host corrected him. Just seems like everyone should be fully versed on the current status of the case before throwing opinions around about a delicates situation.
Southlake
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It's obvious that Miller was an accomplice in this murder. To what extent will be decided later.

Alabama should suspend him from the team and school immediately until he is either cleared or indicted. Keeping him from being suspended is a travesty.
DukeMu
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JJxvi said:

This is the best neutral article i have read that reports on details from the hearing. Unfortunately, no it does not have the actual quotes. But here is the link and how it characterizes the testimony. I suspect the testimony did not go into any great detail about this because neither of the cars were driven by the two who have been actually charged with the murder. Its a news article and not a sports article.

https://www.al.com/news/2023/02/darius-miles-texted-brandon-miller-to-bring-gun-used-to-kill-jamea-jonae-harris-police-testify.html

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Two vehicles - a Dodge Charger and a Dodge Challenger that belonged to Miles' teammates, Miller and Bradley - were blocking the road where the Jeep was parked.






https://judicial.alabama.gov/docs/library/docs/13A-2-23.pdf

A person is accountable for the behavior of another constituting an offense if, with the intent to promote OR assist the commission of the offense:
"Aid and abet" comprehends all assistance rendered by acts or words of encouragement, support or presence, actual or constructive, to render assistance should it become necessary. Radke v. State, 292 Ala. 290, 293 So.2d 314 (1974).

Miller's lawyer is using the intent defense, but as I read AL legal code that only clears Miller of murder charges, assuming that lack of intent is actually true. Blocking the victim's car and bringing a gun to the scene are both WILLFUL acts. If the victim and boyfriend are DANGEROUS, why in the world would you block their vehicle? We know that Miller received and replied to texts, which resulted in the 2 willful acts above. Notice in Alabama state law Accessory (to murder) requires intent to promote OR assist the commission of the offense. There was certainly intent to (a) bring the gun and (b) block the car meaning Miller would have knowledge that HE brought the ingredients, that would by COMMON SENSE, knowingly result in violence. Even if Miller didn't INTEND for there to be a death...it is reasonable to believe that Miller would understand that injuries or death could occur because of his acts (cause and effect). If Miller does not bring the gun and block the car, the murder never happens.

Moreover, even if Miller didn't have intent for there to be a death, he intended to force a violent situation by his acts. Note that aiding and abetting means that all acts that support (actual or constructive) and assistance. Because of the OR statement (not AND) in the opening sentence of Ala. Code 1975, 13A-2-23 there does not have to be intent (and there was anyway) to aid and abet.

I see the Legal Floor for someone who is not the star player on an Alabama Top 3 football or basketball team as Accessory to Murder and the ceiling as a murder charge, just as the NON-STAR player Darius Miles received (murder charge), who was not the shooter. INTENT opens up the criminal charge to MURDER; however, as I read and interpret 13A-2-23 it does not exonerate the PERP from Accessory to murder or violence.
DukeMu
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Southlake said:

It's obvious that Miller was an accomplice in this murder. To what extent will be decided later.

Alabama should suspend him from the team and school immediately until he is either cleared or indicted. Keeping him from being suspended is a travesty.

Right. Miller should have been suspended until the investigation is over.
JJxvi
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Miller isn't under any investigation. It's not like police are just finding out about Miller's involvement like the rest of us. The media is just finding out about Miller's involvement from the police testimony at a hearing. It's already been decided a month ago it seems not to charge Miller with anything. Alabama is already following this "if he's cleared by the police, then play ball" logic.

I dont agree with this "suspend until cleared" logic either. I dont believe that the team rules should hinge upon whether or not you get in trouble with the police. Players can and should be disciplined by the ethics and conduct code set by the team's coaches, the University, and the Athletic Department, but in this case, it seems that Alabama's code is "murder charge=kicked off the team, no murder charge=no foul, win us some games, Final Four here we come!"
JJxvi
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We know that Miller received and replied to texts, which resulted in the 2 willful acts above
I'd love to know more about replies to text. I havent seen anyone mention or refer to any as yet.
DukeMu
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JJxvi said:

Miller isn't under any investigation. It's not like police are just finding out about Miller's involvement like the rest of us. The media is just finding out about Miller's involvement from the police testimony at a hearing. It's already been decided a month ago it seems not to charge Miller with anything.

I dont agree with this logic either. I dont believe that the team rules should hinge upon whether or not you get in trouble with the police. Players can and should be disciplined by the ethics and conduct code set by the team's coaches, the University, and the Athletic Department, but in this case, it seems that Alabama's code is "murder charge=kicked off the team, no murder charge=win us some games, Final Four here we come!"
If it's against team rules to wear sleeves and vape than it damn sure should be to aid and abet a murder.

Miller has not been charged yet. You and I don't know what the DA, any grand juries, and police will do in the continuing saga and investigation.

Because of Miller's position on the team and the fact that it's Gumpland I think we all know how it's going to turn out, but the total investigation is hardly over, unless they are covering up which is highly likely.

Hell, the Finebaum Show is JCD'ing the tragedy and investigation. It's embarrassing.
DukeMu
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JJxvi said:

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We know that Miller received and replied to texts, which resulted in the 2 willful acts above
I'd love to know more about replies to text. I havent seen anyone mention or refer to any as yet.
They have not been disclosed.

Gee - I wonder why...
JJxvi
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Have they been referenced somewhere?
JJxvi
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/35777040/how-former-alabama-basketball-player-friend-ended-charged-death-jamea-harris
txaggieacct85
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JJxvi said:

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/35777040/how-former-alabama-basketball-player-friend-ended-charged-death-jamea-harris
Based on that article, I don't think Miller should be charged with anything except for hanging out with a stupid friend from middle school.
_lefraud_
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Your reading skills suck.
t - cam
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_lefraud_ said:

Your reading skills suck.


What else did you take from it?
gunan01
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txaggieacct85 said:

JJxvi said:

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/35777040/how-former-alabama-basketball-player-friend-ended-charged-death-jamea-harris
Based on that article, I don't think Miller should be charged with anything except for hanging out with a stupid friend from middle school.
he got a text telling him to bring the gun. No one can prove when he read the text. If he's like every other 18yo kid, then his phone is glued to the hand (even while driving) and the read the text on the way to pick up his friend.
txaggieacct85
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_lefraud_ said:

Your reading skills suck.
I repeat what I said
txaggieacct85
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No prosecutor, no judge, no jury, no grand jury has enough evidence to indict Miller.

Sounds like his middle school friend got the gun pulled the trigger and should be charged for 2nd degree murder. He was drunk off of his ass.

The one thing Miller could have done is intervened and tried to stop Davis.

There's no crime in not intervening.

I'm guessing if he didn't have to pick up Davis he never would have gone back to the strip
chap
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I second that your reading skills suck. If for no other reason than you have twice referenced somebody being a middle school friend of Miller. Miller wasn't a middle school friend of either Davis or Miles.
_lefraud_
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chap said:

I second that your reading skills suck. If for no other reason than you have twice referenced somebody being a middle school friend of Miller. Miller wasn't a middle school friend of either Davis or Miles.

Bingo
txaggieacct85
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_lefraud_ said:

chap said:

I second that your reading skills suck. If for no other reason than you have twice referenced somebody being a middle school friend of Miller. Miller wasn't a middle school friend of either Davis or Miles.

Bingo
I stand corrected. Davis was middle school friends with Miles, which actually makes Miller even less involved.

But I stand by this...

No prosecutor, no judge, no jury, no grand jury has enough evidence to indict Miller.

Davis got the gun, pulled the trigger and should be charged for 2nd degree murder. He was drunk off of his ass.

The one thing Miller could have done is intervened and tried to stop Davis.

There's no crime in not intervening.

I'm guessing if he didn't have to pick up Davis he never would have gone back to the strip
gunan01
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txaggieacct85 said:

_lefraud_ said:

chap said:

I second that your reading skills suck. If for no other reason than you have twice referenced somebody being a middle school friend of Miller. Miller wasn't a middle school friend of either Davis or Miles.

Bingo
I stand corrected. Davis was middle school friends with Miles, which actually makes Miller even less involved.

But I stand by this.

No prosecutor, no judge, no jury, no grand jury has enough evidence to indict Miller.

Davis got the gun, pulled the trigger and should be charged for 2nd degree murder. He was drunk off of his ass.

The one thing Miller could have done is intervened and tried to stop Davis.

There's no crime in not intervening.

I'm guessing if he didn't have to pick up Davis he never would have gone back to the strip
This is an idiotic assumption on your part. There is just as good of a chance that Miller knew that he was taking a loaded gun to his friend. You and I will never know the truth.

One thing is 100% crystal clear. If Brandon Miller hadn't transported the gun to the scene of the crime, Jamea Harris would be alive and a five year old boy would still have a mom. That may not be enough for a criminal conviction, but in the court of public opinion that should be enough to mock him mercilessly and to keep him out of college basketball this year.
FTAG 2000
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txaggieacct85 said:

_lefraud_ said:

chap said:

I second that your reading skills suck. If for no other reason than you have twice referenced somebody being a middle school friend of Miller. Miller wasn't a middle school friend of either Davis or Miles.

Bingo
I stand corrected. Davis was middle school friends with Miles, which actually makes Miller even less involved.

But I stand by this...

No prosecutor, no judge, no jury, no grand jury has enough evidence to indict Miller.

Davis got the gun, pulled the trigger and should be charged for 2nd degree murder. He was drunk off of his ass.

The one thing Miller could have done is intervened and tried to stop Davis.

There's no crime in not intervening.

I'm guessing if he didn't have to pick up Davis he never would have gone back to the strip


In Texas, all parties to a shooting into a vehicle get rung up.

Same in Alabama when you aren't a high lotto draft pick and the entire DA's office aren't grads from your school.
Z Team
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Miller text said there was one in the head, meaning a bullet in the chamber. Some on here act like he didn't touch the gun, didn't read texts etc.

He brought the gun and told his buddy that he had it ready to fire. He parked his vehicle in a way that did contribute to the vehicle not being able to get away and a bama grad DA is claiming nothing to charge him with.
fightintxag13
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Z Team said:

Miller text said there was one in the head, meaning a bullet in the chamber. Some on here act like he didn't touch the gun, didn't read texts etc.

He brought the gun and told his buddy that he had it ready to fire. He parked his vehicle in a way that did contribute to the vehicle not being able to get away and a bama grad DA is claiming nothing to charge him with.


You didn't read the context of the texts correctly. Miller didn't text that to Miles or Davis. Miles told Davis "the heat is in the hat," and "there's one in the head."
txaggieacct85
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Here's the hypocrisy. If this were a star Aggie player, most of you would be all over supporting him.

And you know it
Mikeyshooter
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txaggieacct85 said:

Here's the hypocrisy. If this were a star Aggie player, most of you would be all over supporting him.

And you know it

Cool
 
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