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I mean there was a problem, though ultimately it didn't matter. It's not like it was just made up.

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greg.w.h said:

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They were playing at 10:30 local time compared to where they live. Have no clue how long they were up there. Just answer the question: if the school's academic rules constrain what the coaches can do, what does the coach do to "coach around that"? I'm sure it could be appealed, for instance, and probably wasn't a problem. But we also know BK had to solve a problem with APR, too.

You're confused if you think I'm defending BK. I couldn't care less. But my primary claim is we couldn't win that game with this team unless we caught them in a bad streak night. We don't have the talent. And coaching doesn't fix that.

Coaching COULD cure some of the point differential. But then, again, what is the moral victory line by which you claim the coaching was good enough? Put it out there in writing.

P.S.: Neither you nor Method will put it out there in writing specifically because you'd be challenged to prove your subjective thought has absolutely any basis in fact. You can't. Your only true basis for BK being a terrible coach is also essentially subjective. As is mine. I'll own that I'm using subjective judgment if you'll own that it's merely and only an opinion. That you repeat a lot.

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bobinator said:

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I mean there was a problem, though ultimately it didn't matter. It's not like it was just made up.

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Hop said:

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Method Man said:

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Starks can only play 26? Chandler only 19? Why is our best post player only playing 24? No foul trouble.

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Starks was held out once the game got out of hand, otherwise his minutes would have been higher. He did look winded at times. Chandler was in foul trouble..........

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He was throwing up during the game in front of me.

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free_mhayden said:

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That was when Khris Middleton missed the whole season with injury*


*Khris Middleton didn't miss the whole season with injury and he actually averaged pretty close to what he did the previous year.

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Middleton was unsatisfied closing his college career with a loss to 10th-seeded Florida State in the NCAA Tournament Texas A&M was seeded seventh and he ultimately decided to stay put.
"I am glad I did that now," Middleton said. "Looking back, it was probably not the best decision. But we all felt it was right at the time."

The issues for Middleton started with Turgeon's departure to Maryland. (He was replaced by coach Billy Kennedy.) Disaster struck in the opening game of his junior year. Playing against Liberty, Middleton felt a twinge in his right knee. He'd never been hurt before, but the injury proved serious: He had partially torn his meniscus, and would require surgery. His timetable for a return was set, rather aggressively, at three to four weeks.

Middleton was not himself when he came back. He averaged 13.2 points on 41.5 percent shooting and 26.0 percent 3-point shooting as a junior.

"It was one of the toughest years I've been through," Middleton said. "It was my first time dealing with an injury. It was my first time having surgery. It wasn't right. I wasn't right all year, but I thought I could play through it. I kind of forced myself to be out there when I shouldn't have been at times."

In the post-surgery shuffle, Middleton's NBA Draft stock took a drubbing. The potential lottery pick had become a fringe first-rounder, at best, in 2012. Kennedy understood why Middleton wanted to force himself back onto the floor despite the knee problem. But it became harder to envision Middleton as an NBA player as he did so.

"He was frustrated because he wanted to help us," Kennedy said. "We were struggling with other injuries, too, but he was our best player and he wanted to get back and try to help us. With the injury, it was tough to see that he was going to be a good player in the NBA. There were glimpses, but he was not really able to put together a long stretch."

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Hop said:

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Aggie1205 said:

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Method Man said:

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Starks can only play 26? Chandler only 19? Why is our best post player only playing 24? No foul trouble.

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Starks was held out once the game got out of hand, otherwise his minutes would have been higher. He did look winded at times. Chandler was in foul trouble..........

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He was throwing up during the game in front of me.

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Hop said:

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free_mhayden said:

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That was when Khris Middleton missed the whole season with injury*


*Khris Middleton didn't miss the whole season with injury and he actually averaged pretty close to what he did the previous year.

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I guess Kennedy forced Middleton to lie in that article.

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Hop said:

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free_mhayden said:

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Hop said:

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free_mhayden said:

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That was when Khris Middleton missed the whole season with injury*


*Khris Middleton didn't miss the whole season with injury and he actually averaged pretty close to what he did the previous year.

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I guess Kennedy forced Middleton to lie in that article.

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Was there a part in the article I missed that disputed him averaging pretty close to what he did the previous year? Tough to dispute actual statistics, but maybe I missed it.

I get that your shtick is to be purposely contrarian (and antagonistic) in order to generate more site posts, but then you shouldn't act so shocked when people talk about how clueless you are on... well... damn near everything.

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Clueless is quoting point averages and not looking deeper into the numbers. A 3-pt shooting specialist shot 26% from behind the 3 which was over 10 percentage points less than his previous healthy years. The fact that he shot more doesn't equate to the same performance. He also had fewer average assists, rebounds, and steals per game than the previous season.

I understand you are limited in your ability to discuss the subtle aspects of the sport, but don't take it out on me for your frustrations.

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Hop said:

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free_mhayden said:

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Hop said:

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free_mhayden said:

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Hop said:

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free_mhayden said:

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That was when Khris Middleton missed the whole season with injury*


*Khris Middleton didn't miss the whole season with injury and he actually averaged pretty close to what he did the previous year.

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I guess Kennedy forced Middleton to lie in that article.

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Was there a part in the article I missed that disputed him averaging pretty close to what he did the previous year? Tough to dispute actual statistics, but maybe I missed it.

I get that your shtick is to be purposely contrarian (and antagonistic) in order to generate more site posts, but then you shouldn't act so shocked when people talk about how clueless you are on... well... damn near everything.

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Clueless is quoting point averages and not looking deeper into the numbers. A 3-pt shooting specialist shot 26% from behind the 3 which was over 10 percentage points less than his previous healthy years. The fact that he shot more doesn't equate to the same performance. He also had fewer average assists, rebounds, and steals per game than the previous season.

I understand you are limited in your ability to discuss the subtle aspects of the sport, but don't take it out on me for your frustrations.

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What point are you trying to make? That Khris Middleton didn't play as well his Junior year due to injury?

Thanks, pretty much anyone who watched Aggie Basketball during that time period could have told you that.

In your quest to be contrarian and antagonistic you are actually trying to argue a point no one was arguing against. Kudos!

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This is a bizarre exchange. We have been discussing year one of Kennedy for years, and you re-iterated your talking point that Kennedy had an all-conference lineup set to win. You mentioned he had an "NBA player" which certainly refers to Middleton. I clarified as usual that the NBA player physically missed half of the season and was never "right" when he came back and the article discussed in this thread basically confirmed that.

Yes, you were arguing that in this thread. You along w others of the "everything that is wrong w the A&M program is squarely Kennedy's fault" crowd have made that case repeatedly for years.

It is truly bizarre that you are actually trying to suggest this hasn't been an ongoing conversation on the basketball board and I'm bringing up something that has never existed when has existed for years and even exists in this very thread and this very discussion we are having.

This feels like you've taken us into the bizarro world.

And to clarify....I do believe Kennedy has weaknesses and he is responsible for the performance of the team. I'm also of the opinion that there are much deeper issues that plague this program that keep A&M basketball from being nationally relevant in the long term that won't be solved w the hiring of another mid-major coach that is a crap shoot.

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