In college basketball, if you aren't in the rotation very quickly, most guys are looking for somewhere else to play. Tavario Miller is one of the few to stick it out and be a contributor but end of the rotation guy as he got older. Big time kudos to him. I like that model, but it isn't really the college basketball model any longer. Today's players have been moving around to find the best spot for them to see minutes since AAU middle school ball. Of course, we have to mention Alex Robinson as one of the few guys to move on and be a guy that looked like he could have helped us if he had stayed. With that, we have to note that we are on the receiving end of key transfers like Danuel House, Jalen Jones, Anthony Collins, JC Hampton, and of course this year both Duane Wilson from Marquette and Josh Nebo from St. Francis.wacarnolds said:
Updating an old post...Of Billy Kennedy's 23 recruiting signees, 14 have now transferred within 2 years or failed to qualify. Didn't include D. House or J. Jones, but both finished their 2 years here.
Agree with a lot of what you're saying here.Chuck Gay said:In college basketball, if you aren't in the rotation very quickly, most guys are looking for somewhere else to play. Tavario Miller is one of the few to stick it out and be a contributor but end of the rotation guy as he got older. Big time kudos to him. I like that model, but it isn't really the college basketball model any longer. Today's players have been moving around to find the best spot for them to see minutes since AAU middle school ball. Of course, we have to mention Alex Robinson as one of the few guys to move on and be a guy that looked like he could have helped us if he had stayed. With that, we have to note that we are on the receiving end of key transfers like Danuel House, Jalen Jones, Anthony Collins, JC Hampton, and of course this year both Duane Wilson from Marquette and Josh Nebo from St. Francis.wacarnolds said:
Updating an old post...Of Billy Kennedy's 23 recruiting signees, 14 have now transferred within 2 years or failed to qualify. Didn't include D. House or J. Jones, but both finished their 2 years here.
CJS4715 said:
So, are there any stats that show where we sit in this regard compared to others? I always see that transfers are the norm but want to understand how we do compared to others.
Do you personally think Year 7 is most likely like Year 5 (no significant roster holes) or Year 6 (significant roster holes)? If you think it is most likely going to be like Year 5, then the transfers of Smith/Eubanks/Vila are no big deal.wacarnolds said:Agree with a lot of what you're saying here.Chuck Gay said:In college basketball, if you aren't in the rotation very quickly, most guys are looking for somewhere else to play. Tavario Miller is one of the few to stick it out and be a contributor but end of the rotation guy as he got older. Big time kudos to him. I like that model, but it isn't really the college basketball model any longer. Today's players have been moving around to find the best spot for them to see minutes since AAU middle school ball. Of course, we have to mention Alex Robinson as one of the few guys to move on and be a guy that looked like he could have helped us if he had stayed. With that, we have to note that we are on the receiving end of key transfers like Danuel House, Jalen Jones, Anthony Collins, JC Hampton, and of course this year both Duane Wilson from Marquette and Josh Nebo from St. Francis.wacarnolds said:
Updating an old post...Of Billy Kennedy's 23 recruiting signees, 14 have now transferred within 2 years or failed to qualify. Didn't include D. House or J. Jones, but both finished their 2 years here.
At the same time, we've only had 1 season with a roster that would force out players due to a lack of available playing time. Every other year, including Year 6, we had a roster with significant holes. That tells me the problem isn't enough playing time, but rather a struggle to correctly identify enough quality players during the recruiting process.
Given all that, specifically next season, thank goodness for this one:wacarnolds said:
Updating an old post...Of Billy Kennedy's 23 recruiting signees, 14 have now transferred within 2 years or failed to qualify. Didn't include D. House or J. Jones, but both finished their 2 years here.
Broken down by class:
2012 - 3/5 were gone within 2 years
2013 - 3/5 were gone within 2 years
2014 - all 3 were gone within 2 years
2015 - 2/5 were gone within 2 years
2016 - 3/5 were gone within 2 years
Overall, 61%
2016, obviouslyPumpkinhead said:Do you personally think Year 7 is most likely like Year 5 (no significant roster holes) or Year 6 (significant roster holes)? If you think it is most likely going to be like Year 5, then the transfers of Smith/Eubanks/Vila are no big deal.wacarnolds said:Agree with a lot of what you're saying here.Chuck Gay said:In college basketball, if you aren't in the rotation very quickly, most guys are looking for somewhere else to play. Tavario Miller is one of the few to stick it out and be a contributor but end of the rotation guy as he got older. Big time kudos to him. I like that model, but it isn't really the college basketball model any longer. Today's players have been moving around to find the best spot for them to see minutes since AAU middle school ball. Of course, we have to mention Alex Robinson as one of the few guys to move on and be a guy that looked like he could have helped us if he had stayed. With that, we have to note that we are on the receiving end of key transfers like Danuel House, Jalen Jones, Anthony Collins, JC Hampton, and of course this year both Duane Wilson from Marquette and Josh Nebo from St. Francis.wacarnolds said:
Updating an old post...Of Billy Kennedy's 23 recruiting signees, 14 have now transferred within 2 years or failed to qualify. Didn't include D. House or J. Jones, but both finished their 2 years here.
At the same time, we've only had 1 season with a roster that would force out players due to a lack of available playing time. Every other year, including Year 6, we had a roster with significant holes. That tells me the problem isn't enough playing time, but rather a struggle to correctly identify enough quality players during the recruiting process.
Though personally I'd have liked to see Vila stick around one more year at least, just to see if he would have panned out into something. Unlike Smith and Eubanks who were clearly not going to probably ever play much at A&M...not with a glut of guards & wings on the roster in Gilder/Caldwell/Wilson/Starks/Chandler/Hogg/Flagg...Vila seemed a more unique prospect in that he is 6'10" plus with some skills.
Yeah, as I mentioned in my previous post, Vila was a kid that I was hoping the staff could hold onto. You don't find guys that tall with pretty decent handles and potential to play out on the wing just laying around on the street.agtrevino07 said:
Good luck to him. I think he is a talented kid who will find a team more suited for his skills.
I personally think this idea that the Aggies sports fan is significantly more kind hearted and 'forgiving' than the average sports fan base out there is a myth. At minimum, the Aggie message boards seem just as vicious and critical (no more or no more less) than the typical sports fan message boards out there.TMartin said:
Mark Passwaters recently wrote that Aggies are the most forgiving fans he knows and that probably hurts the product we get.
I doubt it. Nobody has suggested it or seen any evidence of it. Everything I have seen of him indicates he is a good kid and teammate but wasn't ready physically or from a pace of play standpoint for the American game. Seems like a pure playing-time move.greg.w.h said:
Wishing Mr. Vila the best. Not enough information about him to make a comment other than essentially it was a reach by the staff that doesn't appear to have worked out.
If he was offered a redshirt after his freshman campaign, well, we've heard that story before. Sounds like the evaluation process isn't properly feeding into the development approach. We almost certainly will hear he was temperamental or hard to communicate with soon.
He was put on the court his first year. Either a failure of evaluation or a failure of development. To shunt a player with a full year of experience back into the scout team for redshirt development causes loss of confidence. And nothing I'm saying disagrees with even a single point you're making.GE said:I doubt it. Nobody has suggested it or seen any evidence of it. Everything I have seen of him indicates he is a good kid and teammate but wasn't ready physically or from a pace of play standpoint for the American game. Seems like a pure playing-time move.greg.w.h said:
Wishing Mr. Vila the best. Not enough information about him to make a comment other than essentially it was a reach by the staff that doesn't appear to have worked out.
If he was offered a redshirt after his freshman campaign, well, we've heard that story before. Sounds like the evaluation process isn't properly feeding into the development approach. We almost certainly will hear he was temperamental or hard to communicate with soon.
Question you have to ask is how he would fit into the lineup. Hogg and Flagg will have the small forward position on lockdown until the '19/'20 season, at which time Vila will be in his fourth year. So who does he take time from? MAYBE we go "small" and he takes time away from Nebo at the 4 in the '18/'19 season. No way he gets significant PT at the 2 guard this season or next with Gilder leading the way and Starks or Chandler to back him up. If we land Quentin Grimes that puts another obstacle in front of him, depending on what position Grimes plays.
While he has great upside, this just isn't the place for him to maximize his contribution to a division 1 team. Would have been a TOTALLY different story if he had been part of the 2012, 2013, or 2014 recruiting classes.
You recruit the best players at the time that fill the needs that you have. You also play your highest potential guys as much as you can (I don't think Vila got nearly enough PT - especially with guys like Collins on the floor). Vila will be a very good college basketball player by the time his career ends. Just doesn't always work out when we're bringing in even better players behind him.greg.w.h said:He was put on the court his first year. Either a failure of evaluation or a failure of development. To shunt a player with a full year of experience back into the scout team for redshirt development causes loss of confidence. And nothing I'm saying disagrees with even a single point you're making.GE said:I doubt it. Nobody has suggested it or seen any evidence of it. Everything I have seen of him indicates he is a good kid and teammate but wasn't ready physically or from a pace of play standpoint for the American game. Seems like a pure playing-time move.greg.w.h said:
Wishing Mr. Vila the best. Not enough information about him to make a comment other than essentially it was a reach by the staff that doesn't appear to have worked out.
If he was offered a redshirt after his freshman campaign, well, we've heard that story before. Sounds like the evaluation process isn't properly feeding into the development approach. We almost certainly will hear he was temperamental or hard to communicate with soon.
Question you have to ask is how he would fit into the lineup. Hogg and Flagg will have the small forward position on lockdown until the '19/'20 season, at which time Vila will be in his fourth year. So who does he take time from? MAYBE we go "small" and he takes time away from Nebo at the 4 in the '18/'19 season. No way he gets significant PT at the 2 guard this season or next with Gilder leading the way and Starks or Chandler to back him up. If we land Quentin Grimes that puts another obstacle in front of him, depending on what position Grimes plays.
While he has great upside, this just isn't the place for him to maximize his contribution to a division 1 team. Would have been a TOTALLY different story if he had been part of the 2012, 2013, or 2014 recruiting classes.
WrongMethod Man said:
Worse than dunking Daniel Alexander and not even close. Lock thread in your face Pumpkintits.
GE said:You recruit the best players at the time that fill the needs that you have. You also play your highest potential guys as much as you can (I don't think Vila got nearly enough PT - especially with guys like Collins on the floor). Vila will be a very good college basketball player by the time his career ends. Just doesn't always work out when we're bringing in even better players behind him.greg.w.h said:He was put on the court his first year. Either a failure of evaluation or a failure of development. To shunt a player with a full year of experience back into the scout team for redshirt development causes loss of confidence. And nothing I'm saying disagrees with even a single point you're making.GE said:I doubt it. Nobody has suggested it or seen any evidence of it. Everything I have seen of him indicates he is a good kid and teammate but wasn't ready physically or from a pace of play standpoint for the American game. Seems like a pure playing-time move.greg.w.h said:
Wishing Mr. Vila the best. Not enough information about him to make a comment other than essentially it was a reach by the staff that doesn't appear to have worked out.
If he was offered a redshirt after his freshman campaign, well, we've heard that story before. Sounds like the evaluation process isn't properly feeding into the development approach. We almost certainly will hear he was temperamental or hard to communicate with soon.
Question you have to ask is how he would fit into the lineup. Hogg and Flagg will have the small forward position on lockdown until the '19/'20 season, at which time Vila will be in his fourth year. So who does he take time from? MAYBE we go "small" and he takes time away from Nebo at the 4 in the '18/'19 season. No way he gets significant PT at the 2 guard this season or next with Gilder leading the way and Starks or Chandler to back him up. If we land Quentin Grimes that puts another obstacle in front of him, depending on what position Grimes plays.
While he has great upside, this just isn't the place for him to maximize his contribution to a division 1 team. Would have been a TOTALLY different story if he had been part of the 2012, 2013, or 2014 recruiting classes.
If he was a Stansbury find (and still is desired by Stansbury) then Method Man will have to come to grips with that I guess.mikesyracuse1 said:
He may end up in Bowling Green, KY with Stansbury.
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