Deputy Travis Junior said:Hop, you're contradicting yourself in two sentences that are literally adjacent. Look at the text I bolded. In the first you say Martin's only been at SC for 5 years, and in the second you say his success at KSU came a decade ago. You were right the first time; Martin was in the round of 32 with KSU 5 years ago (another fun fact: he went 2-0 against A&M and Kennedy that year).Hop said:I don't know whose resume' you are quoting, but this is Martin's first NCAA Tourney in his five seasons at USCe. What he did with Huggins' all-Americans a decade ago isn't relevant to what he's doing at USCe. The issue is can he recruit consistently to sustain this one year of success that is led by a pair of stud seniors.Deputy Travis Junior said:Hop is the king of "what have you done for me lately?" so when Martin started out with 3 awful to bad seasons, Hop began saying that there was little evidence that Martin was better than Kennedy. For some reason, Hop didn't think Martin's KSU tenure counted. Nor did he think that Martin's starting situation was much different than Kennedy's.Goat Man said:
You know you are right about Martin but did anyone actually say they thought BK was a better coach?
Not sure how he arrived there. South Carolina was absolutely terrible when Martin arrived, and 4 tournament appearances in 5 years (one of which was an Elite Eight) is FAR better than anything Kennedy's ever done. The book is unequivocally closed, though. Martin is making his second Elite Eight appearance in 10 years. Kennedy has 1 Sweet 16 in 19 years, and it required a freaking miracle.
Look, if you are going to compare results for a young coach at Centenary and SE Louisiana versus a guy that was promoted from within to take over a Big 12 program stocked with all-Americans, then we can;t have an objective debate.
Your idea that Martin took over a loaded program is erroneous. Huggins took over for Woolridge, a below average coach who had 5-6 ~0.500 seasons at KSU, and then stayed at KSU for A SINGLE season. Then, after Huggins left, Martin was there for five seasons. In that time, he made the Elite Eight in year THREE with none of Huggins' guys, and then made the round of 32 in years four and five, also with none of Huggins' guys. I'm not trying to be rude, but attributing all of that success to a single Huggins season, which came of the coattails of a long stretch of KSU mediocrity, is patently ridiculous. Martin did ALL of that.
Finally, your entire premise that past success isn't relevant to current success simply doesn't make sense to me. Martin taught great fundamentals and smothering defense at KSU. Now his USC teams are exhibiting the same traits, and you think the two aren't related? I understand your point from a recruiting point of view, but actual coaching is not the afterthought that you seem to be making it out to be. In the same way that our discombobulated offense in year one predicted our discombobulated offense in year 6 (Kennedy is a very poor offensive coach), Martin's past coaching successes predicted this season's success.
Lol anybody else notice there was no reply? Well done DTJ.