But Frank Martin is a good coach. Unbelievable that some of you thought Kennedy was better than he is. Watch the games. There isn't one aspect of the game they aren't better coached in.
Goat Man said:
You know you are right about Martin but did anyone actually say they thought BK was a better coach?
Hop is the king of "what have you done for me lately?" so when Martin started out with 3 awful to bad seasons, Hop began saying that there was little evidence that Martin was better than Kennedy. For some reason, Hop didn't think Martin's KSU tenure counted. Nor did he think that Martin's starting situation was much different than Kennedy's.Goat Man said:
You know you are right about Martin but did anyone actually say they thought BK was a better coach?
I don't know whose resume' you are quoting, but this is Martin's first NCAA Tourney in his five seasons at USCe. What he did with Huggins' all-Americans a decade ago isn't relevant to what he's doing at USCe. The issue is can he recruit consistently to sustain this one year of success that is led by a pair of stud seniors.Deputy Travis Junior said:Hop is the king of "what have you done for me lately?" so when Martin started out with 3 awful to bad seasons, Hop began saying that there was little evidence that Martin was better than Kennedy. For some reason, Hop didn't think Martin's KSU tenure counted. Nor did he think that Martin's starting situation was much different than Kennedy's.Goat Man said:
You know you are right about Martin but did anyone actually say they thought BK was a better coach?
Not sure how he arrived there. South Carolina was absolutely terrible when Martin arrived, and 4 tournament appearances in 5 years (one of which was an Elite Eight) is FAR better than anything Kennedy's ever done. The book is unequivocally closed, though. Martin is making his second Elite Eight appearance in 10 years. Kennedy has 1 Sweet 16 in 19 years, and it required a freaking miracle.
JJxvi said:
There is no "issue." Nobody seriously thinks Kennedy is a better coach than Martin, it's a laughable position and you look like a basketball novice for even hinting that it might still be in question with that post.
mikesyracuse1 said:
Frank Martin to Steak and Shake and then to Georgetown
Hop, you're contradicting yourself in two sentences that are literally adjacent. Look at the text I bolded. In the first you say Martin's only been at SC for 5 years, and in the second you say his success at KSU came a decade ago. You were right the first time; Martin was in the round of 32 with KSU 5 years ago (another fun fact: he went 2-0 against A&M and Kennedy that year).Hop said:I don't know whose resume' you are quoting, but this is Martin's first NCAA Tourney in his five seasons at USCe. What he did with Huggins' all-Americans a decade ago isn't relevant to what he's doing at USCe. The issue is can he recruit consistently to sustain this one year of success that is led by a pair of stud seniors.Deputy Travis Junior said:Hop is the king of "what have you done for me lately?" so when Martin started out with 3 awful to bad seasons, Hop began saying that there was little evidence that Martin was better than Kennedy. For some reason, Hop didn't think Martin's KSU tenure counted. Nor did he think that Martin's starting situation was much different than Kennedy's.Goat Man said:
You know you are right about Martin but did anyone actually say they thought BK was a better coach?
Not sure how he arrived there. South Carolina was absolutely terrible when Martin arrived, and 4 tournament appearances in 5 years (one of which was an Elite Eight) is FAR better than anything Kennedy's ever done. The book is unequivocally closed, though. Martin is making his second Elite Eight appearance in 10 years. Kennedy has 1 Sweet 16 in 19 years, and it required a freaking miracle.
Look, if you are going to compare results for a young coach at Centenary and SE Louisiana versus a guy that was promoted from within to take over a Big 12 program stocked with all-Americans, then we can;t have an objective debate.
Hop said:
Two of his three best players are stud seniors and the other top player may go pro. Just as y'all have said this year, I'm not going to anoint a guy a great coach based on one good year. If his No. 55 ranked freshman class and the young players on the roster can sustain this year's success next season, then I'll say he's a very good coach. I'll be impressed.
I have not doubted Martin's ability to get his teams playing good defense, but his recruiting outside of the gimme he got with Dozier has historically been inconsistent. He hasn't proven he can stockpile talent year-after-year. He may prove me wrong. If he does, I'll take my medicine.
h.o.p.Goat Man said:
You know you are right about Martin but did anyone actually say they thought BK was a better coach?
Not anymore.Blue Duck said:
There isn't a single coach in the SEC who you can say that BK is definitely better than.
Pumpkinhead said:
South Carolina is The best story of the NCAAT this season IMO. And there ain't one person posting on this thread who had South Carolina get to the Elite Eight in their bracket, so Ya'll stop arguing and just enjoy it.