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Dirk wasn't a " role player" or simply a spot up shooter. That look like a " role player" who spanked Lebron James in 2011? That look like a " role player" who spun on Chris Bosh to win game two? Dirk is a top 15 NBA player all time, those aren't " role players."

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I'm curious to see your top 15.

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Me, too.

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You really think that? WSU has plenty of good players. And I'll bet they go deeper every year.

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They have a far superior coach and two really great guards. Who is replacing Baker and vDV?

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Markis McDuffie and Landry Shamet appear to be the respective heir apparents. Both top 100 ESPN/Rivals players. Zach Brown, who had a nice NCAA Tourney appears to be in the mix as well. Power forward has a sophomore and three star freshman from Atlanta.

Add in former KU guard Conner Frankamp and Allen, and the Shocks are a big man away from sitting pretty damn good.

Thanks. Would you trade 2016 rosters with them?

Them as in Wichita? Id give the Ags a definite edge in size and physicality. No doubt the Ags signed a better overall class by ranking. Marshall has a way of kinda evening the playing field though. I think its a legitimate proposition to see them meeting in a later round down the road.

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Them as in Wichita? Id give the Ags a definite edge in size and physicality. No doubt the Ags signed a better overall class by ranking. Marshall has a way of kinda evening the playing field though. I think its a legitimate proposition to see them meeting in a later round down the road.

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Of course he does. Marshall is a good coach and the kids don't doubt themselves at the end of gsmes. I'm just talking about the recruiting.

WSU will do more, plenty is Marshall, plenty is he finds good players and is brining in plenty. They won't fall off the map because FVV AND Baker are gone.

Oh, they won't? I thought Marshall wasn't that good and just got lucky!

Top 15 all time NBA players.

1 Jordan
2 Wilt
3 Russell
4 Johnson
5 Bird
6 James
7 Big O
8 Shaq
9 Duncan
10 Kareem
11 Kobe
12 Dirk
13 Hakeem
14 Malone
15 West

WSU has a big man, Shaq Morris was a redshirt freshmen who showed flashes last season. I expect him with two years under Marshall to be a beast down low next season.

Who cares who has the better roster on rivals. WSU has top 100 guys and again in the end will go farther in the tourney. Bottom line, it just got harder for Allen to get playing time.

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Top 15 all time NBA players.

1 Jordan
2 Wilt
3 Russell
4 Johnson
5 Bird
6 James
7 Big O
8 Shaq
9 Duncan
10 Kareem
11 Kobe
12 Dirk
13 Hakeem
14 Malone
15 West

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Incoming for the houstonians!!!

You can move stuff around. Yea I'd take the overall career of Dirk to Hakeem. I have a hard time putting a guy 7th all time in scoring out of the top ten so 12 was really pushing it. But I'm fine moving things around. More of a these are the 15 best to me.

Did you even look at any other stats? Check out steals and blocks...

I actually didn't look at any stats. I'm pretty big on more than scoring. Look it's 15 off the top of my head.

Let's flip flop the Dream for Dirk.

Nah.....it's fine the way it is.

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dirk nowitzki is a spot up shooting "role player", especially now, and i'd argue has always been ...

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Traditionally, a role player is a guy who can do one or two specific offensive tasks and that's it. Basically, if that player gets the ball, you know exactly what he's going to do before he does it. They absolutely aren't players that can "create" with the ball. Bruce Bowen was a role player. He could shoot the three well and would punish you if you left him open, but that was it. If he put the ball on the court, you knew something had gone wrong

Saying that Dirk has always been a spot up shooting role player is a not-so-awesome analysis of what Dirk brought to the table in his prime. In his hay-day he was one of the most versatile in the history of the game. He could post up, shoot from 3, face up and shoot, face up and drive, draw fouls and then hit FTs at a 90% clip... And he did all this at 7' tall. The dude was an unholy terror on offense because he did so many things so well. That is not at all the definition of role player anyone else uses.

Last year was the first year Dirk dipped. And he stil made the all star team. Again go watch Dirk take Bosh to the rim in the 2011 finals. Best player on the court that series.

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Dirk is to euro? He created the modern stretch 4 that most teams use now. It's modern hoops. I'd agree with some if the guy was a center, guy plays the power forward. How do I over inflate? Guy is 7th all time in scoring, has a ring and an MVP. That's not top 15 all time?

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Well for one, you think he's a better player - right now - than Blake Griffin.

Yea Blake dunks and flops better than Dirk.

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WSU has a big man, Shaq Morris was a redshirt freshmen who showed flashes last season. I expect him with two years under Marshall to be a beast down low next season.

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I'll take that bet...with the farm. Marshall recruits players to play the game with his mindset. Shaq hasn't proven that he has bought into that yet. He will get pressure from Eric Hamilton and the transfer big, so that helps, but they go only as far as Shaq is willing to work. If he gets it, and thats a huge if, WSU has a chance to win a national title this year.

Marshall and assistant coach Heiar have both referred to Morris as the player with the highest upside. Kid really started coming on last year. Morris is a back to the basket type player who could be MV player of the year type. Hamilton isn't a five.

When they kept Shaq home prior to to the first Valley road game things changed for Shaq. Foul trouble kept him from playing more. But Heiar said his whole attitude changed, major wake up call.

They wouldnt have signed the transfer big if they were confident Shaq had figured it all out. He may have the most upside but hes also the biggest question mark on the team.

The kid from Cleveland State has knee issues and can't play many min. Called depth.

L O L at Hakeem #13 and Bird #5

Lol I'd bet most would agree.

No one outside of Mavs fans think Dirk is better than Hakeem.

Also the sweet irony of thinking Caruso is better than Elston because Elston is a one trick pony but Dirk is better than Hakeem who could score and defend as well as anyone ever.

I'll give you that Method, still say Dirk is amongst the top 15 all time.

It's all opinions.

Dirk wasn't a one trick pony. Very good rebounder and help defender, inside out get to the line. Not athletic enough to be a great defender, help yea. And I'll fight anyone who says that man isn't top 15.

Hakeem is top 10 at least. I think he's #6.

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Hakeem is top 10 at least. I think he's #6.

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Thanks for the logical counterpoint!