But, but...Kentawky is his DREAM JOB! He's finally happy there, right? He's a good guy who was just looking to settle in somewhere great, right?

I thought Okie lite was under the delusion that they would throw boat loads of Boone Pickens' money at Bill Self.

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Well, like I said earlier, I like the prospect of a (even more) highly competitive conference.

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while I agree a more competitive conference is better for the big12 teams on the whole, BCG at OSU is very bad, VERY BAD for Texas A&M because at OSU BCG would certainly negatively affect our recruiting as BCG would be tapping into the same pool of players we are, and he would likely be successful at it, just like he was at A&M.

Nothing wrong with a competitive conference. This year alone the Big 12 has had 3 teams in and out of the Top 10, and it's been a fun year.

However, I dont want BCG at OSU for obvious reasons.

[This message has been edited by AgGrad99 (edited 2/15/2008 11:09a).]

NYAggie-

BCG already recruits the same pool of players that Turgeon does...he has devoted alot of attention to recruiting TX high school players despite being at UK.

I know many will disagree, but I dont think that no matter how bad OSU finishes, Sutton will get 1 more year to turn things around. With his dad not leaving him alot of talent to work with and with Eddie Sutton being highly revered by OSU fans/administration---he gets another season to prove himself.

BCG wont leave UK and go to OSU unless UK fires him. That would be a major step down for him.

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Having grown up in ACC country, there is nothing better than every game being a barn burner.

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yeah, i remember a ton of great teams in the ACC from 93-96 getting the absolute **** worn out of them in conference play and either missing the tourney or being worn out.

billy G will have okie lite back in their place as a great program. again, i don't want conference usa, but i don't want another school in houston and dallas taking our recruits.

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BCG already recruits the same pool of players that Turgeon does...he has devoted alot of attention to recruiting TX high school players despite being at UK.

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our only signees were from fla.

you don't think bcg will step up texas recruiting even more if he goes to ok state? seriously or joking?

And we would kick his butt while he wipes egg off his face. You people need to get over the fear of TKC. I am thankful he was here and started something special. But I'll be dam# if I will be in fear of losing to him whether it be by games or recruits. Sometimes you guys short change our team and Turg a little too much.

It would certainly make it tougher, but I am not willing to go with the VERY BAD argument. The Houston and Dallas metros have a combined 12 million population, and are considered 2 of the hottest recruiting areas in the country. North Carolina has a total population of less than 9 million, and they regularly produce top 5 teams. I recall a year not too long ago when UNC, Duke and NC State were all ranked in the top 2 (2 teams tied for 2nd).

It is not a zero sum game. Just as adding A&M, Texas, Tech and Baylor to the Big 8 made the Big 12 one of the top football conferences, better programs at the basketball schools is making the Big 12 one of the best basketball conferences.

I don't look at things on a parochial level. I look at it on a national level. There are numerous threads about A&M obsession with Texas. I see this as similar. If you look up the history of the ACC, you will find that they weren't always that great. NC State hired a coach from New York named Everett Case. They regularly drummed the other schools, winning 10 straight titles from 1946-1956. It so infuriated the other schools, that they were forced to upgrade to compete. When UNC finally had a team good enough to beat the Wolfpack in 1957, they were also good enough to beat KU and Wilt Chamberlain for the NCAA title. The rest is history.

I've seen it up close. I want to see it here.

Another far fetched scenario:

IU fires Sampson
IU hires Barnes
UT goes after BCG
BCG is hired by UT.

i've seen it up close as well and the big XII right now is one of the strongest conferences in the nation.

we're there. probably 5 bids.

just saying, i enjoy getting at least a little breather. i remember those randolph childress wake clubs, corey at UVA, drew barry at ga tech and it was always teams just beating the **** out of each other in conference and imo, always being underrated to some extent (outside of unc and duke).

baylor, a&m, ut, kstate, ku are all top 25 teams.

everyone in the conference (outside CU and maybe nebraska) can win any game on any given night.

He would need help home from 6th. Street every night.

nothing would shock me with the guy...leave Kentucky for okie lite, tu, or the Minnesota Timberwolves ...he already has the reasons in his head anyway, it is just a matter of when he decides that he isn't being respected that he will start dropping his little bombs

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yeah, i remember a ton of great teams in the ACC from 93-96 getting the absolute **** worn out of them in conference play and either missing the tourney or being worn out.

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Or, maybe they were worn out from winning the 1991, 1992 and 1993 National Championships...or the 1982 and 1983 National Championships.

Whatever the reason, they seem to have recovered in 2001, 2002 and 2005.

Barnes wouldn't leave Texas for Indiana.


IU = has-beens that won't amount to much now that Knight is gone.

notice i said outside of duke and UNC, unless you want to argue corey alexander walked away with a bunch of NCs and that bobby sura and pat kennedy made deep tourney runs.

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IU = has-beens that won't amount to much now that Knight is gone.

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yeah, no resources, recruiting, or winning tradition...not to mention a horrible fanbase that's disinterested in bball.

they might as well fold it up.

You left out NC State's two titles, as well as Maryland's title in 2002.

Another example would be to look at the Big East, the only other conference to compete with the ACC in basketball supremacy in the last 26 years. They'll probably lead the nation in invitations to the Dance AGAIN this year.

Good for TKC. Can't wait greet him on his first trip back to Aggieland. He will be met with a good, sound applause, then a serious beat down will occur on the court. WHOOP!!!

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IU hires Barnes
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Please go away.

man, i posted this scenario in a thread a while back...it is truly my greatest fear in regards to college basketball

Hell, I want BCG back next year. After this season, we should get him back, have him sign his contract, lead us to championships and name the court after him.

tkc=tosc

he should stay at kentucky, tkc sounds better

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Yes, your geography is correct---we did get our latest class from Florida---but doesnt mean that is the entire focus of Turge and his staff. Our MAIN recruiting base is Texas and will be in the future. Will we continue to recruit nationally? Yes, and we should if we can land big time talent. That doesnt mean Turge will disregard all the talented players within a few hours driving from Reed Arena's doors. BCG retained most of his staff here at A&M because he wants to continue to pluck TX players. He already got Vilarino, and is going after several others in the '09 & '10 TX classes. Obviously if BCG were to somehow end up at OSU, he will recruit TX harder but that wont impact A&M as much if we continue to win under Turgeon.

BCG will be back at UK next season as will Sutton at OSU. If OSU fires Sutton, they wont try to hire BCG, as there several other coaches that receiving alot of national attention right now. If some reason it somehow happens that BCG lands at Ok State or tu,

I have heard from a couple of OSU guys that they would not go after BCG, initially, but instead would go after Self. One of the guys is under the impression that T.Boone has already met with Self, and after being offered a blank check, Self indicated that he would coach OSU if KU doesn't win it all this year. Do I believe it? Probably not, but it is also not that far fetched. Particularly in light of the fact that Self is an OSU grad. If the Ags end up having a great year, this scenario may prove to be much, much worse than BCG taking the job. I think you get my point.

Knowitall - as a side note, I have heard from a pretty plugged in UK source that BCG may end up doing Vilarino wrong, as he has not really blossomed as many expected...

A) Why would Self leave KU?

B) Is Self really that good of a coach?

A) Big Boone would throw a lot of money at him.

B) The worth of many a coach's resume seems to depend on the degrees of separation from him, so it appears that merely knowing him makes you a good coach and if you played for him or under him. . . (see BCG).


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boone is old and desperate to see okielite be meaningful on the national scene.

I think he doesn't see the value in leaving a bunch behind.

I think his kids are felons (at least one is) and what is he going to do leave his dough to his trophy wife.

He is worth at least a billion and maybe a couple to several billion.

I could see him breaking the bank on all coaching salaries if he gets desperate enough to see okie lite win. The only problem is, boone seems to want all the coaches to be okielite grads.

Honestly, I think his money would be better spent just bribing the NCAA to get a title or two.

I also do not want bcg back here. I think he will eventually burn out/run out/get run out on uk. I don't think he wants to be a servant to the uk dynasty. He wants to run it. However, I don't see him winning the amount of championships necessary for the school or fanbase to give him that title.

So long term (maybe even short term) he and uk do not seem to be a good match.

But ht is right, if he leaves there, it could be that ends up in our backyard and at the very least would be a rival for recruits and wins if he ends up the B12.

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Wow yall are getting your panties in a wad all over a little rumor.......chill out, I HIGHLY doubt that BCG would leave UK after just 1 season. BCG is a very prideful man, and his reputation is to turn programs around. He is at the top of the totum poll as far as HC jobs are concerned, and do you really think he would leave UK without finishing his job that he started there to rebuild the program. I don't think so. BCG will not leave until the job is done.

IF BCG left/fired by Kentucky; would Barnes go there?

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Sure......if he doesnt get fired first.

http://www.ukathletics.com/index.php?s=&url_channel_id=37&url_article_id=19881&change_well_id=2

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On the fan support …
“That is why you want to come to the best place in college basketball. The reason some people would say that is because the tougher it is, the better I like it. The tougher the times, the better we are. Our legacy has been determined by the tough times and the tougher it is the better we like it. That is really what determines how much better we are. Anyone can play in easy times and no matter how tough it is we are going to be tougher. When you talk about tough, I don’t think 24,000 fans caring about your team as being tough. I see the opponent having to play in front of that as a tough assignment. I look at having seven or eight thousand fans at a game - that is tough. When you have 24,000 fans, I hope that every one of them is a coach. I hope that everyone has an unbelievable passion like I do. Whether they are screaming at me or at the players, lets just all do it together. We are going to be working hard, and they are going to be working hard. We are going to call on the fans, as great as they have been for so long, let’s just take it up a notch and let’s make it impossible for anyone to come in here, we want to make the other team leave at halftime. That is the way I look at it, I don’t see it as tough, I see it as an incredible positive.”

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...careful what you wish for...