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Whats in your wine cellar?

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cecil77 said:

Been through a couple of wine suitcases.

Wine Check is probably the best, but really bulky.

We bought one that is more of an actual suitcase through WS, and it protects the wine physically, but offers little/no thermal protection.

Wine Spectator?
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HTownAg98 said:

Awesome. You really need to like Pinot, because you're going to drink a lot of it. I'll post a more detailed write up this weekend.
Caught this thread late but would have told you to visit White Rose. My favorite Pinot up there.

We did Willamette back in 2008. Great trip.
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We considered it because it was close to Droughin and Domaine Serene. Darn the luck, I guess we'll have to make another trip.
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I've mentioned it here a few times, but we have a newborn at home and a lot of good wine that didn't get drank, including an anniversary bottle.

We got married at St. Francis in 2017 and immediately did a good and wine pairing in our wedding garb. We loved this cab when they paired it with a steak, and bought A case of it to open each anniversary. We're 5 months late, but enjoying this one tonight.

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Our Willamette Valley trip was awesome. As I mentioned earlier, you really, really need to like Pinot Noir, because that and a little Chardonnay is all you will be drinking. Unlike in Napa, where you might start with a sauvignon blanc, then a rose, merlot, a cab or two, then a syrah and zinfandel, in Oregon, you will have a chardonnay or two, then all Pinot. Ten years ago, it was pinot and pinot gris. Now, almost all of the pinot gris has either been ripped out or had Chardonnay grafted onto it, which is a shame, because I love good pinot gris. The story as to why it was ripped out is a common one: they can't sell it, because the minute you tell someone that it's really pinot grigio, they tune out because they're not going to spend $30 for pinot grigio. But they'll spend $50 for an average chardonnay. Go figure.

We flew into Portland, and it was really nice to leave the airport, and 30 minutes later you're in wine country. Instead of going directly to our VRBO place, we drove to Salem to visit our friend's vineyard, Vitae Springs. I've probably told this story before, but it's worth telling again. One of my wife's former students was a junior at A&M and decided to go to France for the summer and be a cellar rat/vineyard shoot thinner, and whatever the wineries/vineyards asked him to do. He got bit by the wine bug, and six months later his family bought the Vitae Springs vineyard southwest of Salem. It consists of 11 acres under vine with Pinot Noir, Riesling, Pinot Gris, pinot blanc, and Muller Thurgau, Right now, he's just growing grapes for others, and has about six barrels of wine that he's learning to make for himself. For now, the plan is to keep growing grapes for a while and making a small amount of wine for friends and family. We got to try some of his wines in barrel, including one in amphora, and it looks like he's on the right track for making wine.

In the interest of disclosure, all of our tastings were comped (industry, kinda), but no one is paying me to say anything about these wineries. My opinions would be no different.

Friday morning started at Argyle. If you like sparkling wine, get an early appointment here, because drinking sparkling wines at 10:30 in the morning is a great way to start the day. Argyle was probably the most underwhelming tasting, but that's really splitting hairs, because the wines were all really good. I'm not a huge sparkling wine fan, but if someone in your group is, make sure to make an appointment here.

Next up was Adelsheim. I was a fan of their wines, and they make a ton of different pinots. At one time, I had six different pinots in front of me (they just kept bringing different ones to try). Overall, I wasn't a fan of their chardonnay (a little too much oak for me), but their pinots are very, very good. Great views from their garden, and it was a nice hike up to check out their garden and vines.


Evening Land was the last stop for the day. This was my favorite tasting by far, and their chardonnay blew me away. It was focused and driven, with high acid, but enough structure and body to keep from stripping the enamel off your teeth. Rajat Parr is known for liking acid in his wines, but it's not all about acid. There's plenty of fruit in these wines to go along with the acid. The Seven Springs vineyard is currently 90%pinot 10% chardonnay, but the plan is to plant more chardonnay once the sale of the vineyard goes through in January 2021. Don't miss this place.


Dinner Friday night was at Joel Palmer House. The food was excellent, and is not to be missed. We did the Mushroom Madness tasting, and there aren't enough superlatives to describe how good this tasting menu was. The mushroom tart my have been the best thing I ate on this trip. You can also order direct off the menu if shrooms aren't your thing. The restaurant has a very deep cellar of Oregon pinot noir, with vintages going back to the mid-90s, and they are all very reasonably priced.

Saturday started at Bethel Heights. Bethel Heights can lay claim to some of the oldest chardonnay plantings in the Willamette Valley (1977). Their site is a bit warmer (south-facing, some blocks in a bowl, and southern part of Eola-Amity), so their wines have a little more body. But they are still distinctly Oregon. Their Chardonnay is vertically trellised, so you have clusters ranging in height from 3-5 feet from the ground. That also means it doesn't ripen at the same time. We said we could join one club on this trip, and this is the one we joined.



Next stop was De Ponte Cellars. It was an add-on based on a recommendation from our host at Bethel Heights. Typical pinot noir, but their best wine was a sparkling melon de bourgogne. The view from their vineyard is spectacular. If you're going to Droughin or Domaine Serene, see if you can fit this one in.


The final stop of the day was Domaine Droughin. This is the Oregon property of Joseph Droughin in Burgundy. Outstanding wines made here. We did the Oregon vs. Burgundy tasting, and it was really fun to try their Oregon wines against their Burgundy wines. Plus, you can buy their Burgundy wines there too. It's a pricey tasting, but worth it.

Instead of going out on a Saturday night, we cooked at our place. We stopped at Northwest Fresh Seafood in Newburg to pick up some oysters and fish to cook. They have an amazing selection of fresh seafood, but go early, because they were nearly out of everything by the time I got there at 4:00 in the afternoon. Grilled oysters, baked fish, and a sparkling melon de bourgogne. That's tough dinner to screw up.

Final day of tasting was Sunday, and it was a hot day (100 degrees). Thankfully, 100 degrees in Oregon is way different than in Texas. In Oregon, it hits 100 and stays there for 2-3 hours max. We started Sunday at Domaine Serene, and even though it was hot, we were seated outside in the shade, and we were still comfortable. The wines are exquisite, and come with an exquisite price tag to go with it. The place is just over the top and beautiful. If that's not your style, scratch this one from your list.


Final tasting of the trip was Penner-Ash, and it was a great way to cap off the trip. Thankfully we were seated inside, because even at a little elevation, it was getting f'ing hot. Another place that makes a lot of different wines in slightly differing styles. I was impressed.

Sunday night dinner was at La Rambla in McMinnville. Excellent Spanish tapas with larger servings than I would expect. The paella is great, but it takes an hour, so plan accordingly. I was done with pinot, so I had some beers and a sangria with dinner. The lamb nachos were great, but I should have made it a half order.

Overall, this was a fun trip that should be on a wine drinker's list of regions to visit. I would not do more than three wineries a day, because you're going to be drinking lots of Pinot. Anymore than that, and you're palate will be shot. The differences in the wines are very small, and dependent on lots of variables (clones, marine vs. volcanic soils, south vs. west facing vines, etc.). The fortunate thing is that all the pinots are higher in acidity, so that will help in keeping your tastebuds fresh and free of tannins. One drawback was that I had bad heartburn most of the trip. So bring some antacids if you have heartburn.

We stayed at a VRBO called Two Maples Farm just outside of Newburg. It's a two-story bardominium with the living room and kitchen upstairs, and the bedroom/master bathroom downstairs. If you have problems with stairs, do not stay here. Otherwise, it's a very nice place that was very, very, reasonable price-wise ($100/night). If you book them directly, you can save some money since they don't have to pay VRBO a commission. I'd stay here again. If you're looking for other places, Newburg and Dundee are centrally located, and I'd look in these areas first.

As for getting your wine back, Newburg Mail Room in Newburg will ship wine. They were willing to hold our wine until November for free, but with a break in the weather and half price overnight shipping from UPS, we decided to get our wine shipped back. Everything arrived in pristine condition.
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Wow! Awesome trip...

Question: Do they mention clones much? Burgundy really pioneered clonal development and there are so many Pinot (and Chardonnay) clones.
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Great recap! Thanks for sharing.

Unfortunately the SO isn't as big of a Pinot Noir fan as I am, otherwise I'd be gunning for a trip there sometime. I too enjoy Pinot Gris, but understand why it's a hard sell like that. It's a nice to have wine up there, but at the end of the day it's a business and Chardonnay can move better.
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Hi all. Been awhile. Fairly settled in Houston. I've been crazy busy with my jobs since I moved here in March. Two days after i moved in all the shut downs started happening.

Needless to say I have met hardly anyone and don't really know a soul except for a bsc ex.

Any recommendations of places that have some interesting quality juice to try with their meals?
Also I'm curious about any shops that would have interesting or less available products that I cant Find at the big stores ; Specs, total wine, heb etc

Always a fan of learning and reading everyone's experiences here. I'm open to learning all grapes more. Love Pinots, Syrah and brunellos. Enjoy lots of others.

For some reason Chard makes me feel like I have ice picks in my head no matter if a couple sips or a bottle. Which stinks because it developed over the past five years and I loved Learning Chard and wines with it in them.

Side note here. Recommendations of Blanc de noir that have zero chard in it? Do they make it with 100% Pinot?
Thank y'all for a wonderful thread
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A nice Sunday dinner party

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A2 said:

Hi all. Been awhile. Fairly settled in Houston. I've been crazy busy with my jobs since I moved here in March. Two days after i moved in all the shut downs started happening.

Needless to say I have met hardly anyone and don't really know a soul except for a bsc ex.

Any recommendations of places that have some interesting quality juice to try with their meals?
Also I'm curious about any shops that would have interesting or less available products that I cant Find at the big stores ; Specs, total wine, heb etc

Always a fan of learning and reading everyone's experiences here. I'm open to learning all grapes more. Love Pinots, Syrah and brunellos. Enjoy lots of others.

For some reason Chard makes me feel like I have ice picks in my head no matter if a couple sips or a bottle. Which stinks because it developed over the past five years and I loved Learning Chard and wines with it in them.

Side note here. Recommendations of Blanc de noir that have zero chard in it? Do they make it with 100% Pinot?
Thank y'all for a wonderful thread
Blessings
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cecil77 said:

Wow! Awesome trip...

Question: Do they mention clones much? Burgundy really pioneered clonal development and there are so many Pinot (and Chardonnay) clones.


They did at most of the places, but it seems like vineyard orientation and soils have a lot to do with what clones they decide to plant. Pommard and 777 seemed to come up a lot.

Something I learned out there was about how the Van Duzer gap influences the vineyards. It's a gap in the mountains along the coast that allows the cool air to flow in off the coast and cool the vineyards down at night.
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I would assume it's all about ripening. Clones all ripen differently, and aspect/elevation/etc all affect ripening. Hope to make it there some day, although Diana doesn't care for Pinot...
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French Country Wine is worth checking out for the unusual bottle not otherwise available. Plus, free tastings on Saturdays though I don't know how the pandemic had changed things.
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cecil77 said:

I would assume it's all about ripening. Clones all ripen differently, and aspect/elevation/etc all affect ripening. Hope to make it there some day, although Diana doesn't care for Pinot...

skin, too, right? how the skin thickens can vary in clones? I think I read that.
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Yes, many winemakers now discuss clonal variations as much as varietal variations.
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Lewis is an all time fav. Alecs Blend is awesome. Wanted to share.
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August and summer means it's prime time for some cold crisp Sauvignon Blanc. What are y'all's go to wines for this varietal? Any particular regions you like, or even brands?
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My favorite is the Alpha Omega 1155 but I think they're getting to be a little full of themselves with their pricing (for all of their wines and tastings)
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Chipotlemonger said:

August and summer means it's prime time for some cold crisp Sauvignon Blanc. What are y'all's go to wines for this varietal? Any particular regions you like, or even brands?

Sauvignon blanc: in general I like what's out of New Zealand. We also like white Bordeaux and Loire valley. We like some California producers but most are pretty pricey as alluded to. I think the best value we've found is long meadow ranch.

For other whites we like, pretty much everything out of Alsace, France, Riesling, Pinot Gris, gewrztraminer.

Also, rose from Provence is a good choice this time of year.

Semillon is another good option. Most of ours are from California or Australia.

Eta: don't know how I missed one of my favorite whites that we were just talking about on here. Gruner from Austria.
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Is there a consensus on how long you can leave a corivaned wine on it's side in a wine cellar?

Wife is pregnant so as opposed to opening a bottle and drinking it through the week, I've been having a glass via corivan to pick wines that better pair with my meals. Been keeping track of when I had them, etc. Just want to know if I need to drink it by a certain time, if they're good to just store indefinite, etc.?
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You have more discipline of your consumption rate while your drinking partner is pregnant than I did
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Haha. I'm training for an Ironman so why'll id love to just drink the whole bottle, waking up the next morning to a 4,000 yd swim, 15 mile run, or 80 mile bike ride really is good motivation to limit consumption.
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Which Ironman?
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Texas. Supposed to be in April in the woodlands. Moved to October in Waco, now. Anticipating it being cancelled and April 2021 in the woodlands. Hoping that's not the case though, don't really want to train for it with a newborn.
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A week or two. Not much longer.

And I would leave it upright. The cork's not going to dry out over a few weeks. There is a hole in the cork, after all.
Also, the Argon in the bottle is considerably heavier than O2, so will sit on the surface of the wine even if a little O2 leaks in.

I mentioned a year or so back that you can get a 40lb refillable tank of Argon along with the food grade tubing and sparging gun for about the same as a higher end Coravin. And it's the equivalent of a couple of thousand Coravin cartridges. Combined with positive seal stoppers, you can keep wine indefinitely - like for years.

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I've kept bottles for several weeks and even a few months with no ill effects. I do put in a wooden toothpick in the needle hole as sometimes the cork doesn't seal very well.
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htxag09 said:

Texas. Supposed to be in April in the woodlands. Moved to October in Waco, now. Anticipating it being cancelled and April 2021 in the woodlands. Hoping that's not the case though, don't really want to train for it with a newborn.


Yikes. Wish you all the best. Is Cozumel still happening over Thanksgiving?
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Wines on vacation:

2012 Realm Dr Crane
2010 Pott Incubo

Different styles (mountain vs valley floor) but both were in a great place.
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Cecil/others in the know - if we planned a hill country trip mid-September, what do you expect the status to be with tastings, or just bottles on the patio, or something different?

The wife and I have a case of cabin fever, want to do a long weekend at one of the big hill country resorts with a day of tastings (of course at Inwood). We want tastings instead of buy a bottle and sit on the porch (we can do that at home). Any gut feelings on which way the wind will be blowing?
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752bro4 said:

Cecil/others in the know - if we planned a hill country trip mid-September, what do you expect the status to be with tastings, or just bottles on the patio, or something different?

The wife and I have a case of cabin fever, want to do a long weekend at one of the big hill country resorts with a day of tastings (of course at Inwood). We want tastings instead of buy a bottle and sit on the porch (we can do that at home). Any gut feelings on which way the wind will be blowing?

The TABC released new guidance last week. Wineries that can show on premise alcohol sales under 51% are allowed to be open and do tastings. Those wineries that already have a food and beverage permit should mostly be open by then. If they've gotten their affadavit in (and I assume most have) then it's just the TABC processing. However, if they have to get a F&B permit, now county health, etc is involved.

Many should be up and going normal, subject to capacity constraints. Several already are. Inwood has always had a restaurant, we're awaiting TABC processing. It's a moving target it seems, so subject to change, but as of now tastings are excluded from "on premise consumption", and are allowed. Also, you may be required to purchase food to have glasses on premise.

Hope to see you!
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Thanks!
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If you got some of the new William Chris Pet Nat, be very, very careful opening it. It's quite lively, to say the least. I thought the bottle exploded when I opened it.
Don't wear nice clothes opening it either. I got sprayed with lees.
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Great Night!


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