The US preventing Ukraine from using US made weapons to hit targets in Russia was a hinderance to Ukraine's ability to wage a full spectrum of warfare. This condition impacted the Russian military in regard to the Principles of War. Ukraine's ability to hit deep targets and maneuver into Russia will open up a huge can of worms. Ukraine needs more aviation weapons systems in order to fly over or around Russian forces. Being able to hit the enemy in deep attacks significantly changes the dynamics of warfare.

These are the Principles of War that facilitated the Russian military due to the restriction put on using US made weapons in Russia:

- Offensive
- Mass
- Maneuver
- Security
- Simplicity
- Economy of Force

Aggie Therapist said:

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So you want us to finance another war and continue to send billions overseas at the US tax payer's expense?

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How on earth do you get that from my post? I illuminated the strategic impact of the restrictions that were put on US weapons. I made no mention the Ukraine War is a valid requirement for funding and budgetary purposes.

That's true.

Just want to make sure my toll fees are covered.

There are reports the Ukrainian military is providing water and some food to the civilians in the Kursk region. The Russians suck at warfare. I will make the strong assumption the Russian military is incapable of executing a mobile defense because maneuvering is significantly more complex that defensive operations.

I question Russia's ability to move lots of soldiers, weapons, and supplies in a coherent manner in order to facilitate the fight against the Ukrainian forces at Kursk and the surrounding areas. I would put money the Russians will not be able to go on the offensive. They are not trained at the individual and unit levels for the offense.

They use centralized command and control which means the Russian military is not agile. The US military operates differently. Units to include small units are encouraged to use initiative to accomplish the mission and meet the commander's intent.

I am curious about the logistics capabilities to support the Ukrainian force at Kursk. Sometimes offensive operations are so quick and rapid moving that attacking forces have to wait for the logistics support to catch up. I am curious about the Ukrainian objective. Perhaps Ukraine conducted a Center of Gravity analysis and found non-military assets important to Russia and will attack them given the chance.

PanzerAggie06 said:

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I don't have issue sending Ukraine some aide. However, I believe the vast majority of it needs to come from the European nations. That's their backyard. Not ours. It's time they stepped up and played the role of "World Police". We need a break from doing it for the past 70 years.

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Anything that bothers Russia is OK!

BigJim49 AustinNowDallas said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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I don't have issue sending Ukraine some aide. However, I believe the vast majority of it needs to come from the European nations. That's their backyard. Not ours. It's time they stepped up and played the role of "World Police". We need a break from doing it for the past 70 years.

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Anything that bothers Russia is OK!

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Doesn't seem to take much to bother Russia. Well, at least Vlad. He's a sensitive little petunia.

The vast majority of the projectiles, missiles, and other weapons we are sending to Ukraine were slotted for demiliterization. In most cases it's actually cheaper for us to send them to Ukraine and have them shoot them at Russians. Thanks to how our EPA laws work, if we keep them and demil and then store for eternity some of the components it's vastly more expensive.
There is very little actual cash going to Ukraine. There is cash going to some EU nations to support them sending vehicles and weapons to Ukraine. Those vehicles and weapons are being replaced with US made stuff and that cash is flowing back into the US economy. It's actually very similar to what happened to the military industrial complex prior to WW 2 when FDR started dumping cash into contracts but today that money is getting laundered through Poland, the baltics, etc.

As for expending US munitions on Russian soil, this is war. War on a scale we haven't seen sine WW2.
Take a long look back at the Pacific compaigns and ask yourself if you could fight that style war with one hand tied behind your back. The fact that the Ukrainians have been doing so for over 2 years and still effectively are in a draw with Russia is amazing.
Cut them loose and give them what they need is the only way to end this.

CT'97 said:

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The vast majority of the projectiles, missiles, and other weapons we are sending to Ukraine were slotted for demiliterization. In most cases it's actually cheaper for us to send them to Ukraine and have them shoot them at Russians. Thanks to how our EPA laws work, if we keep them and demil and then store for eternity some of the components it's vastly more expensive.
There is very little actual cash going to Ukraine. There is cash going to some EU nations to support them sending vehicles and weapons to Ukraine. Those vehicles and weapons are being replaced with US made stuff and that cash is flowing back into the US economy. It's actually very similar to what happened to the military industrial complex prior to WW 2 when FDR started dumping cash into contracts but today that money is getting laundered through Poland, the baltics, etc.

As for expending US munitions on Russian soil, this is war. War on a scale we haven't seen sine WW2.
Take a long look back at the Pacific compaigns and ask yourself if you could fight that style war with one hand tied behind your back. The fact that the Ukrainians have been doing so for over 2 years and still effectively are in a draw with Russia is amazing.
Cut them loose and give them what they need is the only way to end this.

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Concur. Shape the conditions for Ukraine to win the war. Give them the aviation assets that the US would use if it fought the Russian military.

Tanker123 said:

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CT'97 said:

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The vast majority of the projectiles, missiles, and other weapons we are sending to Ukraine were slotted for demiliterization. In most cases it's actually cheaper for us to send them to Ukraine and have them shoot them at Russians. Thanks to how our EPA laws work, if we keep them and demil and then store for eternity some of the components it's vastly more expensive.
There is very little actual cash going to Ukraine. There is cash going to some EU nations to support them sending vehicles and weapons to Ukraine. Those vehicles and weapons are being replaced with US made stuff and that cash is flowing back into the US economy. It's actually very similar to what happened to the military industrial complex prior to WW 2 when FDR started dumping cash into contracts but today that money is getting laundered through Poland, the baltics, etc.

As for expending US munitions on Russian soil, this is war. War on a scale we haven't seen sine WW2.
Take a long look back at the Pacific compaigns and ask yourself if you could fight that style war with one hand tied behind your back. The fact that the Ukrainians have been doing so for over 2 years and still effectively are in a draw with Russia is amazing.
Cut them loose and give them what they need is the only way to end this.

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Concur. Shape the conditions for Ukraine to win the war. Give them the aviation assets that the US would use if it fought the Russian military.

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The proxy war that never ends!

Yayyyy!