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Mr.Bond said:

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cb1919 said:

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Yes, I know they are two different things. I'm saying it's dumb. Pay the kid the money he won.

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Well...... He entered as an amateur..... Knowing the rules.... So no.

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Good lord I know what the rules are

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Golf isn't changing the rule for something that happens once every 30 years

Mr.Bond said:

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cb1919 said:

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Mr.Bond said:

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cb1919 said:

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Yes, I know they are two different things. I'm saying it's dumb. Pay the kid the money he won.

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Well...... He entered as an amateur..... Knowing the rules.... So no.

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Good lord I know what the rules are

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Golf isn't changing the rule for something that happens once every 30 years

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Amateurs make the cut on tour every single year. The rule isn't different for winning.

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Mr.Bond said:

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cb1919 said:

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Mr.Bond said:

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cb1919 said:

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Yes, I know they are two different things. I'm saying it's dumb. Pay the kid the money he won.

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Well...... He entered as an amateur..... Knowing the rules.... So no.

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Good lord I know what the rules are

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Golf isn't changing the rule for something that happens once every 30 years

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Amateurs make the cut on tour every single year. The rule isn't different for winning.

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What point are you trying to make?

I think the rule is stupid. If you get a spot in a golf tournament that pays out cash prizes you should get the money for whatever place you finish, amateur or professional.

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Yes, I know they are two different things. I'm saying it's dumb. Pay the kid the money he won.

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NIL rules specifically state they can't be paid based on performance. It has to be based on their name, image and likeness. If performance was allowed, it would be NILP.

With the win, he will get paid well in endorsements to more than offset the winning $$$ amount.

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aggiebonzo said:

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So does Dunlap get full PGAT status and exemption now?

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Yes if he decides to turn pro. I don't see why he wouldn't turn pro now. Get to play in the Masters, PGA Championship, and Players.

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Pretty sure he gets the Masters from the win. Even if he doesn't, if he stays Am he is already in the Masters field from being the US Am.

How long before Dunlap to LIV starts to swirl!!

Buck Compton said:

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cb1919 said:

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I think the rule is stupid. If you get a spot in a golf tournament that pays out cash prizes you should get the money for whatever place you finish, amateur or professional.

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But if not for being an amateur, he wouldn't have been in the field in the first place…. Are you not getting that?

He was on a sponsor exemption. They wouldn't have given the exemption if he wasn't a amateur.

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I know exactly how this works

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cb1919 said:

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Yes, I know they are two different things. I'm saying it's dumb. Pay the kid the money he won.

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NIL rules specifically state they can't be paid based on performance. It has to be based on their name, image and likeness. If performance was allowed, it would be NILP.

With the win, he will get paid well in endorsements to more than offset the winning $$$ amount.

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You fell for that?? Just like they wanted you to.

Quote from LIV - 'we have the last two (a) to win PGA events, don't miss them on CW'

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Quote from LIV - 'we have the last two (a) to win PGA events, don't miss them on CW'

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Let the bidding war begin. Pretty sure he has seen the last day inside a classroom at Bama.

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Buck Compton said:

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cb1919 said:

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I think the rule is stupid. If you get a spot in a golf tournament that pays out cash prizes you should get the money for whatever place you finish, amateur or professional.

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But if not for being an amateur, he wouldn't have been in the field in the first place…. Are you not getting that?

He was on a sponsor exemption. They wouldn't have given the exemption if he wasn't a amateur.

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I know exactly how this works

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Okay… then why would he deserve to earn his cash prize if the only reason he was able to compete for it was that he forfeited any rights to the prize?

The amateur paired with him last Monday - "I pay big money to play with a real pro and I am stuck with a fellow amateur!!!!"
The amateur paired with him today at the office - "I could tell from the first swing he was going to do it. Who else has partnered with the first amateur to win a pro tournament in a generation???"

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The amateur paired with him last Monday - "I pay big money to play with a real pro and I am stuck with a fellow amateur!!!!"
The amateur paired with him today at the office - "I could tell from the first swing he was going to do it. Who else has partnered with the first amateur to win a pro tournament in a generation???"

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Whoever played with Rose Zhang last year?

I thought her win was in her first start as a pro. Did she win a pro event as an Am?

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I thought her win was in her first start as a pro. Did she win a pro event as an Am?

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Oh *****.you're right. I stand corrected. Monday morning, I haven't finished my coffee bolus yet.

For what it is worth, I hadn't thought about the LPGA. Lydia Ko won twice on that tour in 12 and 13.

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cb1919 said:

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Buck Compton said:

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cb1919 said:

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I think the rule is stupid. If you get a spot in a golf tournament that pays out cash prizes you should get the money for whatever place you finish, amateur or professional.

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But if not for being an amateur, he wouldn't have been in the field in the first place…. Are you not getting that?

He was on a sponsor exemption. They wouldn't have given the exemption if he wasn't a amateur.

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I know exactly how this works

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Okay… then why would he deserve to earn his cash prize if the only reason he was able to compete for it was that he forfeited any rights to the prize?

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He wasn't in the tournament because he was an ametuer. He's in the tournament because he won other tournaments that make him marketable by the tournament. They aren't inviting the #3,506 ranked ametuer because they're an ametur out of the goodness of their heart. They're leveraging his name, image, and likeness to draw in spectators to make a buck off his back. At the least, there should be a pre-agreed upon rate for him to play based on how he finishes. No different from any other person they invited (who has a chance to make a buck in the tournament) and the exact definition NIL.

Look, I think it's great that college kids get to play in some cool things by qualifying in other tournaments. But the tournament shouldn't get to profit off them either if that's such a holy grail thing. Put the money in a trust for when he turns pro. Or allow them the option to turn pro with the win and keep the money and fedex points. Or give them an NIL deal pre agreed upon.

Once again we're talking about another things the PGAT does where they're using players for their own gain when the reason they exist is to benefit the players. And many of you still wonder why we're in the situation we are with LIV.

These things take place in other sports as well and are handled very differently.

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Buck Compton said:

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cb1919 said:

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Buck Compton said:

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cb1919 said:

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I think the rule is stupid. If you get a spot in a golf tournament that pays out cash prizes you should get the money for whatever place you finish, amateur or professional.

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But if not for being an amateur, he wouldn't have been in the field in the first place…. Are you not getting that?

He was on a sponsor exemption. They wouldn't have given the exemption if he wasn't a amateur.

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I know exactly how this works

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Okay… then why would he deserve to earn his cash prize if the only reason he was able to compete for it was that he forfeited any rights to the prize?

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He wasn't in the tournament because he was an ametuer. He's in the tournament because he won other tournaments that make him marketable by the tournament. They aren't inviting the #3,506 ranked ametuer because they're an ametur out of the goodness of their heart. They're leveraging his name, image, and likeness to draw in spectators to make a buck off his back. At the least, there should be a pre-agreed upon rate for him to play based on how he finishes. No different from any other person they invited (who has a chance to make a buck in the tournament) and the exact definition NIL.

Look, I think it's great that college kids get to play in some cool things by qualifying in other tournaments. But the tournament shouldn't get to profit off them either if that's such a holy grail thing. Put the money in a trust for when he turns pro. Or allow them the option to turn pro with the win and keep the money and fedex points. Or give them an NIL deal pre agreed upon.

Once again we're talking about another things the PGAT does where they're using players for their own gain when the reason they exist is to benefit the players. And many of you still wonder why we're in the situation we are with LIV.

These things take place in other sports as well and are handled very differently.

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Trust idea is not bad.

But you know the PGAT doesn't just keep the money right? Since he's a Am, the money just goes down a slot. So 2nd place got paid like he won and so on and so on. You know, actual PGAT members got a windfall by the Am winning. You can not like the set up for Am's but it sounds like the tour was looking out for their actual members. Good try though.

The Amateurs all lineup for these sponsor exemptions and they know they won't get the money before they agree to play. They love the exposure and chance to tee it up with the big boys. If someone hates that they don't get to keep the money, then they shouldn't sign up to play in the tournament.

Don't forget, an Am getting a slot is denying a pro a chance to play.

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The Amateurs all lineup for these sponsor exemptions and they know they won't get the money before they agree to play. They love the exposure and chance to tee it up with the big boys. If someone hates that they don't get to keep the money, then they shouldn't sign up to play in the tournament.

Don't forget, an Am getting a slot is denying a pro a chance to play.

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Because the tournament believed it would be a bigger draw (more money) than if they invited a struggling pro.

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AgLA06 said:

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Buck Compton said:

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cb1919 said:

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Buck Compton said:

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cb1919 said:

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I think the rule is stupid. If you get a spot in a golf tournament that pays out cash prizes you should get the money for whatever place you finish, amateur or professional.

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But if not for being an amateur, he wouldn't have been in the field in the first place…. Are you not getting that?

He was on a sponsor exemption. They wouldn't have given the exemption if he wasn't a amateur.

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I know exactly how this works

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Okay… then why would he deserve to earn his cash prize if the only reason he was able to compete for it was that he forfeited any rights to the prize?

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He wasn't in the tournament because he was an ametuer. He's in the tournament because he won other tournaments that make him marketable by the tournament. They aren't inviting the #3,506 ranked ametuer because they're an ametur out of the goodness of their heart. They're leveraging his name, image, and likeness to draw in spectators to make a buck off his back. At the least, there should be a pre-agreed upon rate for him to play based on how he finishes. No different from any other person they invited (who has a chance to make a buck in the tournament) and the exact definition NIL.

Look, I think it's great that college kids get to play in some cool things by qualifying in other tournaments. But the tournament shouldn't get to profit off them either if that's such a holy grail thing. Put the money in a trust for when he turns pro. Or allow them the option to turn pro with the win and keep the money and fedex points. Or give them an NIL deal pre agreed upon.

Once again we're talking about another things the PGAT does where they're using players for their own gain when the reason they exist is to benefit the players. And many of you still wonder why we're in the situation we are with LIV.

These things take place in other sports as well and are handled very differently.

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Trust idea is not bad.

But you know the PGAT doesn't just keep the money right? Since he's a Am, the money just goes down a slot. So 2nd place got paid like he won and so on and so on. You know, actual PGAT members got a windfall by the Am winning. You can not like the set up for Am's but it sounds like the tour was looking out for their actual members. Good try though.

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Is he not a member now that he has 2 years exemption?

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JCA1 said:

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AgLA06 said:

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Buck Compton said:

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cb1919 said:

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Buck Compton said:

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cb1919 said:

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I think the rule is stupid. If you get a spot in a golf tournament that pays out cash prizes you should get the money for whatever place you finish, amateur or professional.

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But if not for being an amateur, he wouldn't have been in the field in the first place…. Are you not getting that?

He was on a sponsor exemption. They wouldn't have given the exemption if he wasn't a amateur.

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I know exactly how this works

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Okay… then why would he deserve to earn his cash prize if the only reason he was able to compete for it was that he forfeited any rights to the prize?

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He wasn't in the tournament because he was an ametuer. He's in the tournament because he won other tournaments that make him marketable by the tournament. They aren't inviting the #3,506 ranked ametuer because they're an ametur out of the goodness of their heart. They're leveraging his name, image, and likeness to draw in spectators to make a buck off his back. At the least, there should be a pre-agreed upon rate for him to play based on how he finishes. No different from any other person they invited (who has a chance to make a buck in the tournament) and the exact definition NIL.

Look, I think it's great that college kids get to play in some cool things by qualifying in other tournaments. But the tournament shouldn't get to profit off them either if that's such a holy grail thing. Put the money in a trust for when he turns pro. Or allow them the option to turn pro with the win and keep the money and fedex points. Or give them an NIL deal pre agreed upon.

Once again we're talking about another things the PGAT does where they're using players for their own gain when the reason they exist is to benefit the players. And many of you still wonder why we're in the situation we are with LIV.

These things take place in other sports as well and are handled very differently.

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Trust idea is not bad.

But you know the PGAT doesn't just keep the money right? Since he's a Am, the money just goes down a slot. So 2nd place got paid like he won and so on and so on. You know, actual PGAT members got a windfall by the Am winning. You can not like the set up for Am's but it sounds like the tour was looking out for their actual members. Good try though.

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Is he not a member now that he has 2 years exemption?

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Only if he accepts it. He has a card through 2026 if he accepts membership.

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Kansas Kid said:

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The Amateurs all lineup for these sponsor exemptions and they know they won't get the money before they agree to play. They love the exposure and chance to tee it up with the big boys. If someone hates that they don't get to keep the money, then they shouldn't sign up to play in the tournament.

Don't forget, an Am getting a slot is denying a pro a chance to play.

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Because the tournament believed it would be a bigger draw (more money) than if they invited a struggling pro.

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Usually it is more about giving these guys a shot. He wasn't mentioned once in their X feed until the weekend when he was on the top of the leaderboard. If you think a player is going to help draw crowds, you would advertise it like they did for the well known pros that committed (which they did post). Also, Dunlap was never in a feature group on ESPN . If you could find a photo of the gallery following Dunlap on Thursday, I bet you would find less than 20 people not counting those that stay on the hole to watch every group.

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AgLA06 said:

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Kansas Kid said:

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The Amateurs all lineup for these sponsor exemptions and they know they won't get the money before they agree to play. They love the exposure and chance to tee it up with the big boys. If someone hates that they don't get to keep the money, then they shouldn't sign up to play in the tournament.

Don't forget, an Am getting a slot is denying a pro a chance to play.

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Because the tournament believed it would be a bigger draw (more money) than if they invited a struggling pro.

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Usually it is more about giving these guys a shot. He wasn't mentioned once in their X feed until the weekend when he was on the top of the leaderboard. If you think a player is going to help draw crowds, you would advertise it like they did for the well known pros that committed (which they did post). Also, Dunlap was never in a feature group on ESPN . If you could find a photo of the gallery following Dunlap on Thursday, I bet you would find less than 20 people not counting those that stay on the hole to watch every group.

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Yep. This is about giving young guys a shot. He wasn't adding any value going into the tourney.

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cb1919 said:

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Buck Compton said:

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cb1919 said:

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I think the rule is stupid. If you get a spot in a golf tournament that pays out cash prizes you should get the money for whatever place you finish, amateur or professional.

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But if not for being an amateur, he wouldn't have been in the field in the first place…. Are you not getting that?

He was on a sponsor exemption. They wouldn't have given the exemption if he wasn't a amateur.

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I know exactly how this works

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Okay… then why would he deserve to earn his cash prize if the only reason he was able to compete for it was that he forfeited any rights to the prize?

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Forfeiting any right to the prize was not the only reason he was able to play in the tournament. He could've given up the amateur status and played for money at the beginning of the week. This may be equally as dumb cause you can't just declare (shout out Michael Scott) yourself a "professional".

I think amateur status should be judged by your status on a professional tour. If you get a sponsors exemption to the Amex as an amateur and get some money for making the cut, I don't think that makes you any less of an amateur than before. You can't then go tee it up at the Farmer's next weekend cause you still aren't a professional (normally, I know this situation with Nick winning is different).

I didn't mean to get everyone fired up about it. I just think the rule is dumb.

Why? For having an opinion on a rule?

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Why? For having an opinion on a rule?

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For stupidity

Take it easy. It's his opinion.

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Take it easy. It's his opinion.

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Who knew thinking a very inconsequential rule in the game of golf should be changed could get people so hot and bothered.