More often then not the leader is playing conservative to protect a lead because everyone else is done. There's a reason most other sports are going to all the games finishing at the same time so no team can have an advantage or sandbag.
Rahm LIV Rumor
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I believe the tournament leaders start on 1 for the final round. Pretty sure they changed that.
Listen, I don't like the TOUR
They've screwed up on a lot
Their screw up wasn't missing on the Saudis, because I think there are legitimate reasons not to take that money. Their screw up was not listening to the private equity that brought the same type of ideas and getting out of the 501c6 model.
But all that stems back to their structure and allowing all 200 members equal power. Hindsight says they should've done something different, but they would have never had the votes to restructure because the bottom 65% of the tour that nobody would recognize in an airport are making way more money than they are worth off the back of the top 10%.
They've screwed up on a lot
Their screw up wasn't missing on the Saudis, because I think there are legitimate reasons not to take that money. Their screw up was not listening to the private equity that brought the same type of ideas and getting out of the 501c6 model.
But all that stems back to their structure and allowing all 200 members equal power. Hindsight says they should've done something different, but they would have never had the votes to restructure because the bottom 65% of the tour that nobody would recognize in an airport are making way more money than they are worth off the back of the top 10%.
Well said. The Tour hasn't covered itself in glory but people who act like there was some uncontroversial way to reorganize the Tour that the actual players themselves all agreed upon are crazy. The Tour was in the shape its in because there are at least 3 different player factions with completely different and diametrically opposed goals.aggiegolfer2012 said:
Listen, I don't like the TOUR
They've screwed up on a lot
Their screw up wasn't missing on the Saudis, because I think there are legitimate reasons not to take that money. Their screw up was not listening to the private equity that brought the same type of ideas and getting out of the 501c6 model.
But all that stems back to their structure and allowing all 200 members equal power. Hindsight says they should've done something different, but they would have never had the votes to restructure because the bottom 65% of the tour that nobody would recognize in an airport are making way more money than they are worth off the back of the top 10%.
What LIV did was allow the elite players to demand more say in the Tour, upon threat of leaving. That's why we now have the designated events and fringe players like Chris Stroud are complaining constantly and circulating petitions to start a union because they think they are being screwed over by the top 30. These guys never saw eye-to-eye.
Haven't figured out how LIV is going to get a magical TV deal or massive sponsorships when they only have 5 or 6 events in our time zones a year. Not interested in watching a final round at 2:30 AM Saturday from Tokyo or Thailand or from wherever.
Growing the game globally, remember. Doesn't matter if/when we watch.
And choosing to hold your championship rounds right in the middle of football season…genius
I heard Faxon say this evening that the PGA Tour players, especially those who might have passed up LIV money to stay, are just going to have to accept that they have lost. The longer this battle goes on the worse for all of golf.
As much as I don't like the upheaval LIV has caused, I kinda agree with him. Everybody just needs to suck it up and figure out how they can best solve this issue. Admittedly an issue that was not created by the PGA Tour. But the Tour is losing the war right now.
I still think that if Monahan had gotten ahead of this and not drawn the line in the sand, it might have been salvageable. He could have said "you're still a Tour member, just keep playing the minimum we require." It probably wouldn't have stopped guys from leaving for the money, but at least he could have said it was their choice. That they were still welcome to be a Tour member as long as they followed the agreed upon guidelines. It's also interesting how the Tour suddenly found a pot of money to increase purses.
I've only watched a little of LIV broadcasts. I'm an old guy, so I know I'm not the demographic they're targeting, but I just did not find the production appealing. Graphics were hard to follow. Don't like the shotgun start. Have sub-zero interest in the team aspect.
I don't miss Venturi telling Hogan stories, but I guess I've watched traditional golf broadcasts for so long that that's what I'm used to. Interesting to see what the next 12 months is going to bring. I'll still be watching golf in some format I expect. I just hope it's a format where I can watch all of the best players playing together.
As much as I don't like the upheaval LIV has caused, I kinda agree with him. Everybody just needs to suck it up and figure out how they can best solve this issue. Admittedly an issue that was not created by the PGA Tour. But the Tour is losing the war right now.
I still think that if Monahan had gotten ahead of this and not drawn the line in the sand, it might have been salvageable. He could have said "you're still a Tour member, just keep playing the minimum we require." It probably wouldn't have stopped guys from leaving for the money, but at least he could have said it was their choice. That they were still welcome to be a Tour member as long as they followed the agreed upon guidelines. It's also interesting how the Tour suddenly found a pot of money to increase purses.
I've only watched a little of LIV broadcasts. I'm an old guy, so I know I'm not the demographic they're targeting, but I just did not find the production appealing. Graphics were hard to follow. Don't like the shotgun start. Have sub-zero interest in the team aspect.
I don't miss Venturi telling Hogan stories, but I guess I've watched traditional golf broadcasts for so long that that's what I'm used to. Interesting to see what the next 12 months is going to bring. I'll still be watching golf in some format I expect. I just hope it's a format where I can watch all of the best players playing together.
Yeah, this was mostly a player vs player issue. PGAT made mistakes, but they are dealing with a player divide that is difficult to overcome. The top layer wants to cash in while desiring to play less. The other wants opportunities to earn. PGAT could have left the door open for LIV players to play PGA events, but LIV's desire was to be 14+ events, then you layer in 4 majors. That's nearly 20 events which is all many of these elite guys want to play
As far as pots of money, there's a reason there are so many commercials and time wasted interviewing title sponsors. Somebody has to pay for the bigger pots. Again, like college football, people bich about 3:20 second commercials, but the coaches salaries, facilities, and player coddling has gotta get paid for somehow. So again, for bigger pots to retain players from being raided by a govt willing to set money on fire with absolutely no thought to budget or ROI, we all get a lesser product.
As far as pots of money, there's a reason there are so many commercials and time wasted interviewing title sponsors. Somebody has to pay for the bigger pots. Again, like college football, people bich about 3:20 second commercials, but the coaches salaries, facilities, and player coddling has gotta get paid for somehow. So again, for bigger pots to retain players from being raided by a govt willing to set money on fire with absolutely no thought to budget or ROI, we all get a lesser product.
And surprise, but when a government willing to spend endlessly sets its eyes on your business, you are gonna get ****ing rolled. Play ball. Don't play ball. You are gonna get ****ing rolled. This "if they had just given them what they wanted" talk is silly.
how about an end of season super bowl of golf between LIV and PGAT players Ryder Cup style. Saudi's could make a gazillion dollar purse for the winner. That would be interesting to watch.guadalupeag said:
And choosing to hold your championship rounds right in the middle of football season…genius
Wells Fargo is ending their sponsorship after this years tournament. That was one of the designated events last year. Another shot to the tour in their negotiations.
98Ag99Grad said:
Wells Fargo is ending their sponsorship after this years tournament. That was one of the designated events last year. Another shot to the tour in their negotiations.
Rumor is they wanted to stay on but balked at the tour's asking price.
For those talking about how the tour miraculously came up with more money for purses, this was how. They asked their sponsors for it. Some are now dropping out as a result because the math just doesn't work.
Golf's economics are completely screwed right now because they are completely untethered to reality. Unless you're Rahm's son, I just don't see how you can be rooting for this.
Yeah you can't offer the same product for twice the price to the sponsor. Was only a matter of time. Interested to see if others follow like Travelers, RBC, etc.
If they do, I can't help but believe that Jay Monahan will be out the door.98Ag99Grad said:
Yeah you can't offer the same product for twice the price to the sponsor. Was only a matter of time. Interested to see if others follow like Travelers, RBC, etc.
JCA1 said:98Ag99Grad said:
Wells Fargo is ending their sponsorship after this years tournament. That was one of the designated events last year. Another shot to the tour in their negotiations.
Rumor is they wanted to stay on but balked at the tour's asking price.
For those talking about how the tour miraculously came up with more money for purses, this was how. They asked their sponsors for it. Some are now dropping out as a result because the math just doesn't work.
Golf's economics are completely screwed right now because they are completely untethered to reality. Unless you're Rahm's son, I just don't see how you can be rooting for this.
This is important to remember when people act like LIV has accomplished something.
Golf doesn't work at purse sizes that large.
Golf really doesn't work with those purses, plus team purses, plus $100s of millions of player signing bonuses, plus no sponsors, plus no TV audience.
What's interesting to me is how many cheering this would feel if it was the US government that decided to get into the sports business and use a money printer to try to dismantle an american sports league by signing away as many of its best players as possible. People would flip the **** out and not just because of it being tax dollars. It would he "how dare you try to destroy private business with the weight of the power you own"?
DannyDuberstein said:
What's interesting to me is how many cheering this would feel if it was the US government that decided to get into the sports business and use a money printer to try to dismantle an american sports league by signing away as many of its best players as possible. People would flip the **** out and not just because of it being tax dollars. It would he "how dare you try to destroy private business with the weight of the power you own"?
It's all weird. There seems to be a large (small but vocal?) group that have more interest in watching Jon Rahm's bank account than golf. I don't get it.
In late breaking news, Joe Biden just signed Shohei Ohtani to the Portland FungoBats for a billion dollars. Also, Corey Seager and Jose Altuve are rumored to join him as well. They may be under contract, but they'll just resign. Wouldn't that be awesome. I mean, MLB could have let Biden buy in a few years ago and avoided this, but they rebuffed. So **** em, right?
Finau is the latest name to be connected to LIV. I expect the PGAT to cave very soon and merge with LIV. If LIV keeps throwing money at the upper tier guys and they leave PGAT will have no credibility left. If I was the PGAT I'd be more worried about losing the guys ranked around the top 30-50 instead of guys ranked in the top 15 in the world.
Unless you have won a major you can't defect to LIV and earn OWGR. So your career playing in majors will be very short lived.
What an absolute mess
What an absolute mess
AustinCountyAg said:
Finau is the latest name to be connected to LIV. I expect the PGAT to cave very soon and merge with LIV. If LIV keeps throwing money at the upper tier guys and they leave PGAT will have no credibility left. If I was the PGAT I'd be more worried about losing the guys ranked around the top 30-50 instead of guys ranked in the top 15 in the world.
They already got their ass kicked when Jimmy Dunne dealt with PIF. Greg Norman and LIV are just piling it on and masking the PGAT and Rory look like an ass.
I think it's personal at this point.
LIV should just go for Rory and end it all right now.
Should see a few more big names to LIV soon
I'll share names when it's ok to do so
Might go to a 4 day tournament as well, which would be funny
I'll share names when it's ok to do so
Might go to a 4 day tournament as well, which would be funny
Been waiting for this inside intel. Should be soon sounds like.
Same here. The only losers so far in this have been the fans. And yet you have fans peacocking around like they're benefiting from any of this. Defies all logic.
4 day tournament would be funny. Would they change their name to the LXXII tour?Aggie369 said:
Should see a few more big names to LIV soon
I'll share names when it's ok to do so
Might go to a 4 day tournament as well, which would be funny
Just a rumor at this point...would need to hear it from some different people first
If they get OWGR they'll have to change the PGA tour to the SemiPGA Tour.
Well, there is your global super tour. US PGAT will become a feeder tour as will the DP Tour. We will get to see the best 5 or 6 times a year in our part of the world. More tourneys in APAC and Middle East with crazy time differences. Think F1.
Plus, they need 3 more players to fill a "Rahm" team now.
Will be interesting to see if any traditional PGA tour stops flip to LIV. I see the WM Phoenix as a perfect LIV venue, for example.
Plus, they need 3 more players to fill a "Rahm" team now.
Will be interesting to see if any traditional PGA tour stops flip to LIV. I see the WM Phoenix as a perfect LIV venue, for example.
F1 was always the plan, I posted that in my first post on LIV
Lots of stuff still being discussed behind scenes
PE groups talking PGAT, PGA players being offered 2nd, 3rd, 4th times...money keeps going up
I just have no idea what final product looks like
Lots of stuff still being discussed behind scenes
PE groups talking PGAT, PGA players being offered 2nd, 3rd, 4th times...money keeps going up
I just have no idea what final product looks like
Finau and Hatton are 2 I keep hearing
I dont follow any of this from news/social media though so those names might have been mentioned.
More offers are going out so we'll see what happens
IMO we need 1 tour where top dudes go and compete...the amount of money doesn't make sense but we can't see the whole picture/plan yet.
I dont follow any of this from news/social media though so those names might have been mentioned.
More offers are going out so we'll see what happens
IMO we need 1 tour where top dudes go and compete...the amount of money doesn't make sense but we can't see the whole picture/plan yet.
JCA1 said:
The Tour's biggest screw up is they somehow didn't recognize that they were sitting at a poker table with $500 in chips and the PIF sat down with $100,000 and was going to force them to go all-in every single hand if they wanted to play. You gotta recognize when you're in that situation and they apparently didn't. In that sense, PIF out-maneuvered them but it's not some brilliant negotiation tactic. They have the luxury to money-whip that the Tour doesn't.
At this point, I just hope this brings them both back to the table to finalize an agreement. The alternative is fractured golf for God knows how long.
BINGO
I have no idea how Jay Monahan still has a job. The PGA Tour has misplayed the situation from the very beginning. Had the PGA Tour been open to the PIF as investors we could all be sitting with a unified but much better version of pro golf rather than this crap we are dealing with now.
Lol, some of us have been wondering about Monahan still having a job for a while now.
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