I hear ya. You also won't convince your wife it's a good investment. Maybe she'll like the social part. Some do. Some don't. My wife was ok with it but we never really got into all of that. I just wanted it for the golf.

Some clubs you might find an opportunity to join with no initiation - just dues. I did that at Stonebridge Ranch in like 2017. I eventually quit the club. Playing 2x a month for 500 just doesn't make any sense.

Good luck!

GenericAggie said:

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I hear ya. You also won't convince your wife it's a good investment. Maybe she'll like the social part. Some do. Some don't. My wife was ok with it but we never really got into all of that. I just wanted it for the golf.

Some clubs you might find an opportunity to join with no initiation - just dues. I did that at Stonebridge Ranch in like 2017. I eventually quit the club. Playing 2x a month for 500 just doesn't make any sense.

Good luck!

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This is what I am lucky enough to back into. Inheriting a membership to DAC from my Father-in-Law. No initiation, just take over the monthly dues. And we will use the gym, food, pool, and play plenty of golf. Not the cheapest golf I can play, but at least there won't be an initiation fee. I wouldn't even like cutting a check for some of these smaller initiation fees, much less $45k (DAC) or more.

As for now, I mooch on his membership until I move back to DFW in a few years.

Sounds perfect! When we playing?

GenericAggie said:

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Sounds perfect! When we playing?

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When I move back to DFW in three years and he actually assigns the membership, I'd be happy to host a few guests.

Lucky!

PrestigeWorldwideAg12 said:

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Lucky!

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Indeed. Lucky he had only daughters and the oldest one's husband doesn't golf.

Let me know when you have room to invite somebody

get her into tennis and/or pickleball. much bigger social groups involved with those.

Totally agree on pickleball. A friend of mine joined Brookhaven for PB and his wife plays now too. Also, the pool scene is big on the weekends. Huge social environment. We live too far otherwise I could see that as an option.

Buck Compton said:

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GenericAggie said:

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I hear ya. You also won't convince your wife it's a good investment. Maybe she'll like the social part. Some do. Some don't. My wife was ok with it but we never really got into all of that. I just wanted it for the golf.

Some clubs you might find an opportunity to join with no initiation - just dues. I did that at Stonebridge Ranch in like 2017. I eventually quit the club. Playing 2x a month for 500 just doesn't make any sense.

Good luck!

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This is what I am lucky enough to back into. Inheriting a membership to DAC from my Father-in-Law. No initiation, just take over the monthly dues. And we will use the gym, food, pool, and play plenty of golf. Not the cheapest golf I can play, but at least there won't be an initiation fee. I wouldn't even like cutting a check for some of these smaller initiation fees, much less $45k (DAC) or more.

As for now, I mooch on his membership until I move back to DFW in a few years.

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You might want to investigate this a bit further. While the bylaws technically allow it, it requires BOD approval and the payment of a transfer fee.

I was on the DAC board for 6 years and I don't recall a transfer being requested or approved. Not saying it won't or can't happen, I would just look into it a bit more.

Stymied said:

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Buck Compton said:

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GenericAggie said:

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I hear ya. You also won't convince your wife it's a good investment. Maybe she'll like the social part. Some do. Some don't. My wife was ok with it but we never really got into all of that. I just wanted it for the golf.

Some clubs you might find an opportunity to join with no initiation - just dues. I did that at Stonebridge Ranch in like 2017. I eventually quit the club. Playing 2x a month for 500 just doesn't make any sense.

Good luck!

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This is what I am lucky enough to back into. Inheriting a membership to DAC from my Father-in-Law. No initiation, just take over the monthly dues. And we will use the gym, food, pool, and play plenty of golf. Not the cheapest golf I can play, but at least there won't be an initiation fee. I wouldn't even like cutting a check for some of these smaller initiation fees, much less $45k (DAC) or more.

As for now, I mooch on his membership until I move back to DFW in a few years.

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You might want to investigate this a bit further. While the bylaws technically allow it, it requires BOD approval and the payment of a transfer fee.

I was on the DAC board for 6 years and I don't recall a transfer being requested or approved. Not saying it won't or can't happen, I would just look into it a bit more.

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We already discussed it with the membership director a few months ago (but I guess not the board to be fair). There's a transfer fee but it isn't much compared to the buy-in. He's been a member there for 30 years now, so maybe they were just humoring us, but she said it's doable.

Cool! Hope it works out!

Stymied said:

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Cool! Hope it works out!

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Thanks! If we run into any issues in a few years I may link back up with you for some insight.

They need to update Rockwall Golf and Athletic Club:

$12,000 initiation and $505 monthly dues

I got in for $1500 during Covid and before the renovation of fairways, greens, and bunkers.

Buck Compton said:

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I don't disagree with anything you said about the real estate and neighborhood dynamics…. No way it supports a 100k buy in.

But the bolded part is just so unbelievably out of touch with reality it's not even funny. There are a lot of people who make a lot of money and who have built wealth over time, but not like that. That's the 92nd percentile household income in the United States, so not "barely upper middle class". It's firmly upper middle and would quickly become upper class in the high 200s. 75th percentile is like $130,000. In fact, over half the country has a household income under $70,000 or so.

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It's really not. You're just over analyzing it. Why would I nationally average the household income when i'm specifically referring to DFW ? Why should Paris Texas household income be averaged into DFW when it has zero correlation on what you can buy/do in DFW ?

I post in 2 different relocation forums for DFW and I remember pre-covid the "upper middle class" topic got brought up. The consensus for most (majority of the people who post in this forum do construction, census work, or real estate for a living) was 2-4x the household income which for Dallas and Collin County at the time would of been 160-320k being upper middle class.

Everything since then is like 30-40% more expensive so "250k barely being upper middle class" isn't much of a stretch.

A 4 person family living an upper middle class lifestyle (4 bedroom 1960s/1970s era house, club sports, entry level clubcorp membership, good not great school district, 2 decent cars, 1 or 2 trips a year, good 401k contribution, not putting off renovations or deferred maintenance) in 50+ year old neighborhoods in Central Plano or West Richardson which are far from posh is getting incredible hard to do on 200k.

I'm not out of a touch I'm just facing today's reality whether or not it's pretty.

Any updates on Fields Ranch? All reports I hear are that it will be a top course in TX and possibly the US. I have not played it so merely passing on what I hear.

I played the west course back in the fall before it opened and it was in immaculate shape. I've never played a course with greens that had zero bumps.