Money isn't the issue IMO its game reps. Playing only one tourney a month won't keep you that sharp. Agree top guys might be ok but I bet there's a dip.
You're rebutting points that I never made. My point was that I think LIV guys will be competitive in majors this year, even though LIV isn't as competitive as the PGAT. The guy before me was suggesting that the decreased competition level on LIV would hinder their major chances and I was disagreeing with that.Bunk Moreland said:Deluxe said:
Not sure if you read my post but that's what I was saying. I don't have any doubt they'll be competitive in the majors.
The only guys from LIV who will play in majors any time soon are guys with exemptions/past winners.
I guess I just dont' understand what you mean by 'objectively the case' that they won't be competitive in LIV tournaments or DP World tour events/any other area where blended fields exist? Why would these guys not go chase all the extra money that comes with winning LIV events in any different way than Rahm is doing right now in the elevated PGAT events?
Deluxe said:You're rebutting points that I never made. My point was that I think LIV guys will be competitive in majors this year, even though LIV isn't as competitive as the PGAT. The guy before me was suggesting that the decreased competition level on LIV would hinder their major chances and I was disagreeing with that.Bunk Moreland said:Deluxe said:
Not sure if you read my post but that's what I was saying. I don't have any doubt they'll be competitive in the majors.
The only guys from LIV who will play in majors any time soon are guys with exemptions/past winners.
I guess I just dont' understand what you mean by 'objectively the case' that they won't be competitive in LIV tournaments or DP World tour events/any other area where blended fields exist? Why would these guys not go chase all the extra money that comes with winning LIV events in any different way than Rahm is doing right now in the elevated PGAT events?
Aggie369 said:
I responded to wrong guy
My bad
AustinCountyAg said:
Cam smith will win the masters this yr
jonj101 said:
One of the things I previously didn't comment much about in this whole thread is the 'legacy' aspect. In my view, golf has undermined a lot of the value of any legacy discussion for current and younger players.
No matter what anyone does, they are constantly compared to Tiger. Brooks and Spieth had some dominant points, and now their game isnt as strong as it was at one time. So despite their amazing accomplishments, its a mere footnote or more of an asterisk to how much of an outlier Tiger was.
AustinCountyAg said:
so true. I mean there is technically a golf hall of fame, but does anyone really give a **** about it? Especially considering so many guys who are in it are still playing competitively it kind of loses its luster. When everyone after Tiger is compared to Tiger it's almost unreachable to even have half the career he has had.
Deluxe said:
It's interesting fodder for us fans to discuss what makes a player great at this juncture of golf history. Various tours have taken their stab at what players should care about if they want to be great (ie The Players, the Tour Championship, the Race to Dubai, etc). Statistical agencies have tried to determine greatness via mathematical formula.
But at the end of the day, standard of greatness in golf evolved organically for many years among the players themselves. The best of each generation battle to win the prizes that the previous generation valued most. That's not to say that things can't change over time. The US Amateur used to be a "major" until the game was redirected toward the professionals.
I don't think the inertia around greatness being defined at The Masters, The Open Championship and the US Open (and PGA championship to a slightly lesser extent) is going to change anytime soon. Those are the events that the best players of each generation wants to win most and everything else trickles down from there.
This is exactly how I feel.JCA1 said:
I fully expect Cam Smith to be in the hunt for every major this year. Not so sure about the other guys but it's not necessarily because of LIV. Just hard to know what you were gonna get out of Brooks, Bryson, etc. even before they left.
Great points - especially those in bold.Deluxe said:
It's interesting fodder for us fans to discuss what makes a player great at this juncture of golf history. Various tours have taken their stab at what players should care about if they want to be great (ie The Players, the Tour Championship, the Race to Dubai, etc). Statistical agencies have tried to determine greatness via mathematical formula.
But at the end of the day, standard of greatness in golf evolved organically for many years among the players themselves. The best of each generation battle to win the prizes that the previous generation valued most. That's not to say that things can't change over time. The US Amateur used to be a "major" until the game was redirected toward the professionals.
I don't think the inertia around greatness being defined at The Masters, The Open Championship and the US Open (and PGA championship to a slightly lesser extent) is going to change anytime soon. Those are the events that the best players of each generation wants to win most and everything else trickles down from there.
Originally posted this last August. Thought it was worth a re-post based on how the first 2 majors have gone.Swollen Thumb said:
I see the OWGR matter pretty simplistically...
>What is the sole purpose of the OWGR? To identify and rank the current top performers in the sport.
>Has the current format served that purposes within reason? Most would say Yes.
>Has the professional golf landscape changed in a fundamental way? If LIV survives....unquestionably.
>Does the current format serve its intended purposes in the context of this new landscape? No it would not.
>So if the OWGR is genuinely committed to achieiving its singular purpose in a credible manner, shouldn't the discussion be about how to modify/adapt their system to this new landscape (as opposed to whether or not it should)?
But since that is unlikely to happen due to collusion or whatever, let's switch gears....
The OWGR only matter to LIV players as respect entry into majors. So the whole discussion becomes moot if the majors themselves decided to independently recognize the stregth of LIV tour by granting exemption to say its top 10 players as defined by LIVs own rankings. That number could be adjusted over time based on overall results of LIV players against a full field at said major.
That approach would: 1) make performance at LIV event matter to its memebers, countering one of the main criticisms of LIV; 2) ensure we get the truly best golfers competing at majors; and 3) add even more drama and spectacle to majors themselves.
I realize this is also just as unlikely to happen (for...ahem...whatever reasons), but I'm not going to lie....as a sports fan and golf fan, a set-up like this would have my attention week in and out and especially the majors.
JCA1 said:Bunk Moreland said:
We're discussing the perceived end of LIV during the exact same weekend DJ and others were saved last year from joining. Almost feels scheduled.
LIV may fail. It may have defectors. But this also feels very similar to the then sentiment at this exact time last year.
This is clearly the PR push season for the PGAT. It will be interesting to see what happens this year for LIV. They can't lose a big name and they need some juice. This year is everything for everyone.
Maybe. But last year they could at least offer the promise and excitement of a new league. Simply put, that excitement never materialized despite getting better talent than I expected.
Maybe this year they will generate a following that they couldn't find last year. But history suggests otherwise. LIV's viewership last year looked a lot like every other start-up sports league that challenged an entrenched competitor in the last 50 years-their biggest audience was right out of the gate out of sheer novelty and then a steady decline afterward. We'll see.
AgLA06 said:JCA1 said:Bunk Moreland said:
We're discussing the perceived end of LIV during the exact same weekend DJ and others were saved last year from joining. Almost feels scheduled.
LIV may fail. It may have defectors. But this also feels very similar to the then sentiment at this exact time last year.
This is clearly the PR push season for the PGAT. It will be interesting to see what happens this year for LIV. They can't lose a big name and they need some juice. This year is everything for everyone.
Maybe. But last year they could at least offer the promise and excitement of a new league. Simply put, that excitement never materialized despite getting better talent than I expected.
Maybe this year they will generate a following that they couldn't find last year. But history suggests otherwise. LIV's viewership last year looked a lot like every other start-up sports league that challenged an entrenched competitor in the last 50 years-their biggest audience was right out of the gate out of sheer novelty and then a steady decline afterward. We'll see.
Been busy lately. Anything going on today?