I thought someone did the analysis and they show about the same number of shots as a pga broadcast

I did that randomly on the other thread on the first day and posted it. Then I did it again yesterday without posting and LIV was way ahead. Didn't do it today.

Admittedly, some of that is influenced by commercials and the 'Don't Blink' feature of LIV. But more shots are more shots.

Gotcha. I only remembered day 1

$150M or more for each of those guys. I'd pay Rahm and Colin more than Phil. Let's see how deep those pockets are.

You may be right but they need to make another run at them or this thing won't last too long.

DJ ended up getting more than 150

And time will tell if they do get that talent. It won't be decided after week 1, or maybe even after the first year/season. And apparently, the Sauds have enough money to throw at this for a while. So it'll come down to how long they want to make it rain versus how long top talent wants to hold out.

If no one watches or cares there isn't a pr benefit

Right, and like I said on the last page, while it's an uninteresting crap field for now, that could change. Depends on how many $100+ mill checks the Saudis are willing to hand out. I will say though that at these prices, I'm kind of surprised they haven't been more successful in getting more names already. Some crazy money rumored which makes me wonder how much is true and how long the payment terms are

They are 100% trying to make money

PGAT in no way can compete with the money in this current setup. If the lawsuits go the way of LIV, which could be years down the road, the golfing landscape will be changed forever.

I thought this was a pretty good read .

https://www.sportinglife.com/golf/news/liv-golf-invitational-at-centurion-ben-coley-reflections-on-saudi-arabia-backed-golf-tournament/201425

What happens when the geopolitical landscape changes and Saudi Arabia and the US Govt no longer get along?

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What happens when Saudi Arabia and the US Govt no longer get along?

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We let them ram jets in to buildings and kill journalists so for us to not like them something really bad would have to happen and I'm guessing golf won't matter then.

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PGAT in no way can compete with the money in this current setup. If the lawsuits go the way of LIV, which could be years down the road, the golfing landscape will be changed forever.

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This is where I am. I can't figure out the end game. If we end up with some type of merger, a la ABA/NBA or AFL/NFL, the PGA side can never match the money because there's no logic, nor market value, to it. It seems like these prices are simply unsustainable.

We've just seen what the market thinks of the value of the tv contract as they signed a new one last year. How does a new league with the same guys playing the same game justify 10x or 20x in a new media contract?

I watched about 15 minutes on Thursday and I didn't like it. A few reasons:

-with shotgun starts, while you get to see a lot more shots, practically every one is recorded and not live.

-there's no context, it's just a bunch of golf shots. No drama

-it's not really any more access to players during the round. You can't hear convos or any of that.

What was positive about the golf in this event?

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You sure can't seem to stop talking about it.

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Okay? It finally coming into existence is big news in the golf world. But I watched about 45 minutes Thursday, maybe 20 yesterday, about 5 today because the product is clearly crap. At least for now. Gonna need a lot more $100 million checks.

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And probably watched 0 minutes of whatever boring ass stop the PGA Tour was at this week

Willy Wonka said:

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98Ag99Grad said:

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PGAT in no way can compete with the money in this current setup. If the lawsuits go the way of LIV, which could be years down the road, the golfing landscape will be changed forever.

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This is where I am. I can't figure out the end game. If we end up with some type of merger, a la ABA/NBA or AFL/NFL, the PGA side can never match the money because there's no logic, nor market value, to it. It seems like these prices are simply unsustainable.

We've just seen what the market thinks of the value of the tv contract as they signed a new one last year. How does a new league with the same guys playing the same game justify 10x or 20x in a new media contract?

I watched about 15 minutes on Thursday and I didn't like it. A few reasons:

-with shotgun starts, while you get to see a lot more shots, practically every one is recorded and not live.

-there's no context, it's just a bunch of golf shots. No drama

-it's not really any more access to players during the round. You can't hear convos or any of that.

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Agree. I think this is going to go the way of the XFL. And I don't think this ends in a merger. I think it just dies. Why would the PGA consider it? It's not like a football conference adding teams to gain viewers, LIV brings nothing to the table that the PGA doesn't already have. Replays on YouTube are only going to go so far. This thing will be dead in a couple years.

Very hard to parachute into success on something like this. The interest in the PGA Tour has evolved over decades.

I think they made a mistake in swinging so hard right out of the gate. I think had they decided to create a single tournament where you treated all the participants, caddies, and families like kings and offered crazy high purses that could've gotten "the camel's nose under the tent" so to speak.

Then once everyone was hooked on it say "what if we did three or four of these a year?"

So CBS just spent 10 minutes for the commissioner to complain about LIV golf. Played about 3 shots during that time.