Marriage is now a civil freaking establishment. It is not Christian owned. There's Hindus, Muslims, Jews, etc all getting married and you have no problem with that. Atheists can get married and they don't believe in God. Why would someone who doesn't believe in God or religion want to get married? Because it's not religious in the eyes of the states or federal government.

Look, just because YOU view it that way doesn't make it so. The problem was that the religious institution got mixed with the government. Most people that are against gay marriage are also against gay civil unions. Wonder why that is? So they can hate people and feel morally superior.

Nothing makes we wanna puke more than 2 dudes holding hands or the flamer that won't stfu about his boyfriend (and there's nothing quite as hot as 2 lipsticks getting it on - ala Sandra Shine and Sophie Moon) but seriously get a grip. It's getting so bad with the ancillary benefits we just need to give them either civil unions or the right to get married. In Houston a gay man's "partner" qualifies for medical benefits! I had to get married before my girlfriend could cash in on that.

Stop acting so freakin righteous you bigots.

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alcholic said what I would say

f'n unbeleivable the liberal/socialist PC sheet that has to be tolerated

Hey look if two feghs want to butt pound each other in the privacy of their own homes, by all means do so. However I have a problem with the marriage issue. In all of the religions that you mentioned they are unions between a man and a wife, period. Maybe you think that two guys sucking each other off and anal pounding each other is natural, I do not and a majority of Americans tend to agree with me. If people that are homosexual want to get married so terribly bad, then just move. There are plenty of other countries in this world that will allow them to get married and will much more friendly about the love between two fehgs. You are in the minority just like all these fehg groups are as well, don't forget majority rules, not the minority.

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The Full Faith and Credit Clause of the US Constitution compels Texas to treat Massachussetts marriage licenses, just as Texas would a Massachussetts drivers license, as legal.

I think that's the way that gay marriage will eventually become legal in every state. Because a Texas Constitutional amendment can't trump the US Constitution. Nor can the federal Defense of Marriage Act, a simple act of Congress, trump the Constitution.

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Funny enough though, we're told by disingenuous gay activists like Andrew Sullivan that a Fed. Marriage Amendment to the US Constitution is not necessary because full faith and credit wouldn't apply.

These people cannot tell the truth about what they want.

They want one state, be it Massachussets or wherever, to control policy for the rest of the country.

And they want that policy to change forever what marriage means.

Sometimes an honest one will admit up frount that gay marriage is completely about taking our culture further down the path of hedonism. It is about ruining marriage.

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you're close, but not exactly right. if it's in the texas state constitution that gay marriages are illegal then we don't have to recognize it. under our law only a man and woman would receive the benefits of marriage, not man and man or woman and woman.

if you read DOMA, it says that no state has to recognize the same sex marriage of another state. until the supreme court declares this unconstitutional, it will stand.

Patch hopes it passes. If it passes, it's one step closer to a man & animal marriage.

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Good luck getting the Peoples Republic of Massachusetts to recognize your Texas concealed carry license if you move up there.

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That is my concern more than anything. I mean if two feghs can get married, why can't a donkey or a man, or why can't a man have 12 wives? Their rights are being equally violated.

The whole point is that you are not arguing what marriage means or stands for - just that it's a man and a woman.

As long as it's a man and a woman right? It doesn't matter if the people believe in God or not. Now it's no longer a religious institution. It doesn't matter if these 2 people do even more depraved and disgusting things in their bedroom than 2 gay men (yes it IS possible). See now it's no longer a sex thing.

The only conclusion is that YOU (the Christian "right" have some depraved need to feel better than some other minority group.

I plan to be too lazy to vote, just like every other year.

what happened to you being an engineer you f'n liar?

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I already fell better about the fact that I am Christian and that I am married to a wonderful woman with three kids. Once again, majority rules. Why is is that the smallest of miniorites, and I am not talking race, should get what they want because they scream the looudest. I will tell you that here in Texas this vote will not be anywhere close. But they will continue to scream and yell.

George Strait gets it.

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http://straylight.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0347_0483_ZO.html

Read it.

Though I am opposed to gay marriage, I am actually going to vote against the amendment becuase it may void domestic partner benefits (particularly health insurance) that companies now offer.

I live with my girlfriend and she's about to quit her job and go back to school full time. Granted, we'll probably be married not far off, but in the meantime, it is nice that I can just add her to my health insurance as a domestic partner.

The last thing this country needs is more people without health insurance.

Sadly though, if the amendment fails, the pro gay marriage crowd will see it as some victory for their cause.

Hook 'Em Horns

Hellraiser97

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Monogamy not that high on the list of priorities?

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Did it ever occur to you that two people can be gay and just as monogamous as any two straight people, oh homophobic wizard?

Hellraiser-

What you have to understand is that it is an employers decision to allow Domestic Partnership not the states. I work in the insurance business and there is a box that is checked off when implementing a company on an insurance plan, the company then decides if they want to to do it or not. So this law rather goes into effect or not, has no barring on insurance and domestic partnerships.

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What happens 20 years from now when hispanics are a majority in Texas? What if they decide to amend the constitution and declare that the official language of Texas should be Spanish? Will you just accept that because "majority rules"?

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Why is is that the smallest of miniorites, and I am not talking race, should get what they want because they scream the looudest. I will tell you that here in Texas this vote will not be anywhere close. But they will continue to scream and yell.

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the wheel that squeaks the loudest gets the grease. simple politics.

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Where are talking about gay marriage, not school segregation with minorities.

Majority rules correct - but you forgot the 2nd part - minority rights.

Thank you for also clarifying the problem with Christianity today. It's so freakin elitist. You take some sick demented comfort in "knowing" that you will go to heaven and everyone else will suffer forever because (as luck would have it) your parents were Christian.

I'm Catholic and I live in Texas so yeah I know it will never pass here. It's amazing that you actually think that by voting against gay marriage it will somehow stop 2 men from having sex. Is this another way to attempt to shelter yourself from reality?

The only point that matters is this - since marriage gives you governmental priveledges you must not deny those to a minority group. Minorities have rights also. Look, if you want to require civil unions for ALL married people and then deny marriage to gays that's fine with me. Would that be acceptable to you?

I really really hate the fact that I have to argue in favor of something I really don't care about. You'll never see me at a rally - I don't even have gay friends (that I know about anyways). I won't even vote if it comes to that. Just please don't act so superior.

I'm voting for it, if for no other reason that maybe it will rid our state of a bunch of faigs.

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If it is so voted on and it wins, then it is what it is. That does not mean I don't go down with a fighting however. I am sorry if whatever cause that you are fighting for or against loses based on a vote by the public then you lose. You can always continue to fight.

shouldn't this be on el politico board?


oh well, i vote no, against the moral majority self righteous closed minded insecure unoriginal hypocritical extremist christian conservative oil and big corporate contracts for american soldier's lives (2,000 and counting) right wing establishment warmongering ba$tards.







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What you have to understand is that it is an employers decision to allow Domestic Partnership not the states.

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George, from some of the things I have read, it would seem that the amendment could preclude employers from having that option legally, hence a judge could wipe out those benefits regardless of the employers desires. Now whether or not any judge would take that step, I don't know.

Hook 'Em Horns

Hellraiser97

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I just thought I would introduce you guys to the "Equal Protection Clause." Some dudes put it in the American "Constitution" and it is the reason that the majority does, in fact, not rule.

I thought you might want to look into it--you know, research and stuff.

I'm voting against the amendment...not because I am pro gay marriage but because of the 2nd part of the amendment which takes away any chance for civil unions or domestic partnerships.

I believe that if 2 tax-paying, consenting adults want to bind themselves together legally and financially they should be able to do that.

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Did you not see my original post saying I could care less if two fehgs want butt pound each other?

What is it with people calling people that are Christians as elitist? I believe what I believe and I know where I am going when I pass on. That is my belief. I was born into a family that was not a Christian family, meaning they did not practice religion, fortunately for me I had friends that were in families that practiced religion and was guided by them and God to that direction. You don't have to like nor do fehgs have to like it, I am secure in my religion what is set out forth me in this world and when I pass on.

I think those who bash Christianity and call it those practicing it elitist just don't get it, and probably never will.

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I think heterosexuals are doing a bang-up job of ruining marriage already.

Brilliant! Guess you missed the part where I said I was Catholic (that still counts as Christian right?)

YOU are elitist because you think your belief structure should be imposed on everyone. What's going on in this country IS a crusade and the only thing it's doing is making the oppressed want to fight harder. (It's also making people like me ashamed of Christianity - but that's another story.)

Thanks for avoiding all my other points though - I'll just assume you have no response and have put your head back in the sand.

I saw what you said about being Catholic. My beliefes are my beliefs period end of story. You have yours and I have mine. I don't care to impose my beliefs on anyone else, but why must gays impose their beliefs on me? I don't agree with it and yet they are in the minority, we are talking about what 3-5% of the population, maybe less, and yet they are imposing their beliefs on me.

Say what you want about me sticking my head in the sand, but Christianity is what I stand for and what I believe in. Whatever issues you may have with Christianity is your problem, I for one have none. Regardless of what this preacher says or that preacher says, my belief is between me and God.

Ok, how are they ruining marriage???

I don't care about any other "marriages". There are only three beings needed to make my marriage with my wife a holy and special relationship.

Me
Her
God (father/son/holy spirit)

What two dudes in San Fransico do doesn't not effect my marriage, nor does it devalue it.

i don't believe in allowing gays to marry -- that isn't what the institution of marraige is about -- and just because there are a lot of things wrong with marraige doesn't mean you just punt on it all together. therefore i will vote for the ammendment.

i'm for forcing gays to make a legal binding arrangment before you confer legal rights to their "union". force them to go through the courts and get divorces, pay alimony, and the like -- frankly most of them don't want this. they just want all the benefits without the negative repurcusions.

despite what a few of you say --- this doesn't make someone a bigot. just because i disagree with someone's choices, doesn't make one a bigot. there is no proof that being gay is genetic -- despite having spent the last 20+ years trying to find it. even if they do prove that there is a genetic element -- that doesn't make it right. alcoholism and diabetes have genetic elements --- doesn't make them good.

What I am amazed at is most of the longhorns are taking the conservative position and some of my fellow "AGGIES" are taking the liberal one.I 100% agree with the following:



Hank Hill
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Gay marriage is just another attack on the traditional family. Marriage is a union between a man and a woman not a man and a man or a woman and a woman.

If Gay marriage is allowed then what is to stop gay psudo-families from adopting children. What kind of enviroment is that for a child to be raised in. The practice of homosexual relations is unnatural, it violates the laws of nature, and for us Christians it violates the laws of heaven. This is not against anyone who would call themselves gay or lesbian, I respect them as people and have no problem calling them friend, but I don't condone the act or any act that is immoral.

George - come on dude seriously - how is 2 people wanting to get married pushing their beliefs on you? Also how is you wanting to dictate what 2 people can do NOT pushing your beliefs on them?

And Inugo - marriage should be about more than just 1 man and 1 woman. Even if you don't think gays should be married you should at least know there's more to it than that.