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But, RV, if the coach who came from OK St. has playcalling duties to some or any extent, Strong should be aware of that. He may not know precisely which plays were called by which coach or coordinator, but he should know, in general, the precise coaches he has given permission to call plays, and in post-game video breakdowns in coaches meetings he should, at some point, be appraised of which coach called which plays so that he may evaluate the efficacy of one coach's playcalling ability versus another. His answer indicated, to my understanding, that he simply didn't know who was calling the plays, which I do not believe.

And if the HC at Texas really, legitimately doesn't not know who's calling the plays, I question his competence.

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I don't remember how long after the game that Strong stated that he did not know who was calling the plays against Arkansas. I know he said it.

Two possibilities about that quote:

1. It was still close to game time and he had not reviewed anything about the game.
2. Time had passed, but it was the last game of the season and perhaps there was no rush to review something in detail that was so overall toxic. Further, notice that Strong does not like to immediately condemn anyone on his staff. After the ND loss, he spoke generally about the running game. He waited a few days before reviewing the game a couple of times and making his move against Wickline and Watson.

He does seem to speak generally about the offense and defense. He may (I don't claim to know) be dealing with his coordinators on the strategic level. "We gave too many long runs." "Why don't we run the ball more? That's what I told you I wanted."

I remain happy with the Strong choice. He's a good man. I hope he works out as out coach.

My compliments for raising the level of discourse.

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I appreciate your explanations and viewpoints. You know a lot more about that program and do I, and have an altogether different perspective.

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I can't believe this guy spends this much time defending someone he's never met. I also can't believe some of the ridiculous excuses he makes up in his head to justify things that really don't have more than one reasonable explanation. For example, do you actually think Strong didn't watch the tape of the Arkansas game? Do you know ANYTHING about football. Coaches watch the tape of EVERY GAME. ALWAYS. My father in law is a high school coach in this state. He will tell you the same thing. No matter the outcome, coaches watch the tape.

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And does watching the tape tell you who called the plays? That was the first issue, Esquire.

And you are very concerned about me defending someone that I've never met. Interesting. Why do you engage me in what you imagine to be debate? Have we met?

Do you avoid political discussions where candidates are mentioned? I mean, you don't actually know them, so why break your silly little rule, Esquire?

Are you religious? Have you ever really met your God?

Your world must be very small.

I congratulate you on having a father-in-law. I wonder if anyone congratulates him.

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I can't believe this guy spends this much time defending someone he's never met. I also can't believe some of the ridiculous excuses he makes up in his head to justify things that really don't have more than one reasonable explanation. For example, do you actually think Strong didn't watch the tape of the Arkansas game? Do you know ANYTHING about football. Coaches watch the tape of EVERY GAME. ALWAYS. My father in law is a high school coach in this state. He will tell you the same thing. No matter the outcome, coaches watch the tape.

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And does watching the tape tell you who called the plays? That was the first issue, Esquire.

And you are very concerned about me defending someone that I've never met. Interesting. Why do you engage me in what you imagine to be debate? Have we met?

Do you avoid political discussions where candidates are mentioned? I mean, you don't actually know them, so why break your silly little rule, Esquire?

Are you religious? Have you ever really met your God?

Your world must be very small.

I congratulate you on having a father-in-law. I wonder if anyone congratulates him.

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What a ridiculous deflection. My Lord, you really are beaten.

If a coach doesn't know who called what in a game, then he has no way of evaluating his staff on their effectiveness at their job. If he doesn't do that, he's a moron. So either way, he's either a liar or an idiot. Or both.

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I can't believe this guy spends this much time defending someone he's never met. I also can't believe some of the ridiculous excuses he makes up in his head to justify things that really don't have more than one reasonable explanation. For example, do you actually think Strong didn't watch the tape of the Arkansas game? Do you know ANYTHING about football. Coaches watch the tape of EVERY GAME. ALWAYS. My father in law is a high school coach in this state. He will tell you the same thing. No matter the outcome, coaches watch the tape.

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And does watching the tape tell you who called the plays? That was the first issue, Esquire.

And you are very concerned about me defending someone that I've never met. Interesting. Why do you engage me in what you imagine to be debate? Have we met?

Do you avoid political discussions where candidates are mentioned? I mean, you don't actually know them, so why break your silly little rule, Esquire?

Are you religious? Have you ever really met your God?

Your world must be very small.

I congratulate you on having a father-in-law. I wonder if anyone congratulates him.

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What a ridiculous deflection. My Lord, you really are beaten.

If a coach doesn't know who called what in a game, then he has no way of evaluating his staff on their effectiveness at their job. If he doesn't do that, he's a moron. So either way, he's either a liar or an idiot. Or both.

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He knows the team he has running his offense. He knows it's an abysmal failure.

Speaking of deflection, how do you stand now on defending people you don't know?

Nice try at declaring victory and leaving the field, Esquire.

Why is everyone so upset with RV in this thread?

Bonfire told him to dance so here we are four pages in and he's still tapping and spinning away.

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Call us names and tell us that Charlie isn't making it up as he goes along, Jon Lovitz style.

YEAH, THAT'S THE TICKET!

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These events don't make your crazed speculations any more accurate or sensible than they were before.

The Texas offense has stunk it up. Strong makes a move that I'm happy about. He's not making it up as he goes along, he's looking for solutions.

Glad to be your touchstone, but you're still not gold.

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LOL - you said at a minimum you expected 8 wins to show the progress that was needed/possible this year... 8 effin' WINS!

BWHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA

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As you are apparently my unofficial biographer, where did I write that? I don't recall writing it.

Whether I did or not, I did think eight wins could happen. I didn't expect ND to be one of them.

My standard for the season has to do with progress over the season and style of play. ND was a vast disappointment.

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sorry, you are correct.... it was TexasTradition, not you (all you sips post alike) anyway he can dance too... here is what was said back in April....

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If he goes 4-8 this season, can we judge him then?

What is your minimum expectation? what is your "overachieved" outcome?

Put a stake in it sip....

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Absolutely. Overachieved outcome is 9 wins. Expect 7-8 currently. I expect minimum 9 wins yr 3. And expect an improvement in wins yr over yr from this point on.

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cool. you are getting 5 at the most. mark it 5 dude.... and then you & every other sip can just copy and paste everything that has been posted here for the last 2 years, while strong fires everyone including wick to try and save his azz for one more season.

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my prediction of 5 wins back in April is looking like a "stretch goal" now.....

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So, Sumlin's failure to find a solution for your terrible defenses the two previous seasons make him worse at finding solutions than Strong?

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But you are forgetting that we actually had a good defense in 2012. In 2013, we were below par, while starting a bunch of freshmen. And Snyder was delivered a message that 2014 needed to be better or there would be change. And there was change.

Additionally, you are forgetting that Snyder wasn't Sumlin's first choice. As we were cash poor, we couldn't money whip the first choice, Pat Narduzzi, who wanted the job, but wanted the cash. By all accounts, Charlie Strong got exactly the staff he wanted in 2014 at Texas. That is your problem. Many here acknowledged the risk that Snyder may not succeed, up front. We hoped he would, but we know we would have been much better off with Narduzzi.

Comparing Sumlin and Strong in the coaching community is futile at best, and makes whatever argument you are making look stupid. Sumlin has a ridiculous network and people are falling all over themselves to work for him. His assistants get head coaching jobs at a ridiculous clip, and he never has a problem upgrading staff. For example, he got a standing Offensive Coordinator in a P5 conference to come here to be a position coach and run game coordinator. Strong has basically the same staff he has always had, and when he fires people, he hires people that are out of work. That isn't good at all.

He's here, but all he's doing is throwing up beach balls in order to distract from reality. A bunch of straw men, along with hypothetical "what ifs" everywhere that nobody can prove or disprove in order for him to feel like he's "won" his argument. He's a dumbass that's in incredible denial.

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I can't believe this guy spends this much time defending someone he's never met. I also can't believe some of the ridiculous excuses he makes up in his head to justify things that really don't have more than one reasonable explanation. For example, do you actually think Strong didn't watch the tape of the Arkansas game? Do you know ANYTHING about football. Coaches watch the tape of EVERY GAME. ALWAYS. My father in law is a high school coach in this state. He will tell you the same thing. No matter the outcome, coaches watch the tape.

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And does watching the tape tell you who called the plays? That was the first issue, Esquire.

And you are very concerned about me defending someone that I've never met. Interesting. Why do you engage me in what you imagine to be debate? Have we met?

Do you avoid political discussions where candidates are mentioned? I mean, you don't actually know them, so why break your silly little rule, Esquire?

Are you religious? Have you ever really met your God?

Your world must be very small.

I congratulate you on having a father-in-law. I wonder if anyone congratulates him.

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What a ridiculous deflection. My Lord, you really are beaten.

If a coach doesn't know who called what in a game, then he has no way of evaluating his staff on their effectiveness at their job. If he doesn't do that, he's a moron. So either way, he's either a liar or an idiot. Or both.

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He knows the team he has running his offense. He knows it's an abysmal failure.

Speaking of deflection, how do you stand now on defending people you don't know?

Nice try at declaring victory and leaving the field, Esquire.

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What the hell are you talking about? Are you lost?

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I can't believe this guy spends this much time defending someone he's never met. I also can't believe some of the ridiculous excuses he makes up in his head to justify things that really don't have more than one reasonable explanation. For example, do you actually think Strong didn't watch the tape of the Arkansas game? Do you know ANYTHING about football. Coaches watch the tape of EVERY GAME. ALWAYS. My father in law is a high school coach in this state. He will tell you the same thing. No matter the outcome, coaches watch the tape.

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And does watching the tape tell you who called the plays? That was the first issue, Esquire.

And you are very concerned about me defending someone that I've never met. Interesting. Why do you engage me in what you imagine to be debate? Have we met?

Do you avoid political discussions where candidates are mentioned? I mean, you don't actually know them, so why break your silly little rule, Esquire?

Are you religious? Have you ever really met your God?

Your world must be very small.

I congratulate you on having a father-in-law. I wonder if anyone congratulates him.

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What a ridiculous deflection. My Lord, you really are beaten.

If a coach doesn't know who called what in a game, then he has no way of evaluating his staff on their effectiveness at their job. If he doesn't do that, he's a moron. So either way, he's either a liar or an idiot. Or both.

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He knows the team he has running his offense. He knows it's an abysmal failure.

Speaking of deflection, how do you stand now on defending people you don't know?

Nice try at declaring victory and leaving the field, Esquire.

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What the hell are you talking about? Are you lost?

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You say that I throw beachballs? Call me some more names to see if your girlfriends will coming running to agree with you. Strawman, Esquire.

Yet another nonresponse. Shocking. Keep throwing up blimps and hypotheticals from outer space to try and defend a football coach that very clearly doesn't have a clue what he's doing. It's your loss, pal. Don't listen to the obvious. I'm sure 2 OCs would love to know that the head coach doesn't give a **** who's calling what come evaluation time. Never mind that the real truth is that there's only 1 calling any plays, which the guy you're trying to defend lied about under oath.

rv thanks for playing at least you nutted up unlike bearpuss55.

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Originally, the point about Strong "making it up as he goes" had to do with his honesty.

After being thrashed on that point, the op tries to change the definition to mean Strong is making changes as he goes along. Everybody does. Strong is particularly decisive. He is making the best move, in my opinion.

But, to get back to the point, where in all of this is there an honesty issue? There isn't one.


Another person says that I am all in with Strong. Please name my options.

I think Strong is a very good coach and may well excell at Texas. If he doesn't, he will need to go.

It was a horrible game. But it was just one game.

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RV - What is your threshold? What is rock bottom for you? A losing season this season? Next season? What would a 3-8 record do for your allegiance?

Not trying to bash. Back in the Fran days, it got to a point when I'd just turn the TV off midway through the second quarter and go work in the yard.

I don't know if the guy is the right fit. Then again, I think the problems are much more than the coach. I think the AD and big cigars are an issue for Strong.

Sucks for Horn fans. As you can tell though, it makes Aggies happy. At least you have the balls to come around...

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Originally, the point about Strong "making it up as he goes" had to do with his honesty.

After being thrashed on that point, the op tries to change the definition to mean Strong is making changes as he goes along. Everybody does. Strong is particularly decisive. He is making the best move, in my opinion.

But, to get back to the point, where in all of this is there an honesty issue? There isn't one.


Another person says that I am all in with Strong. Please name my options.

I think Strong is a very good coach and may well excell at Texas. If he doesn't, he will need to go.

It was a horrible game. But it was just one game.

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RV - What is your threshold? What is rock bottom for you? A losing season this season? Next season? What would a 3-8 record do for your allegiance?

Not trying to bash. Back in the Fran days, it got to a point when I'd just turn the TV off midway through the second quarter and go work in the yard.

I don't know if the guy is the right fit. Then again, I think the problems are much more than the coach. I think the AD and big cigars are an issue for Strong.

Sucks for Horn fans. As you can tell though, it makes Aggies happy. At least you have the balls to come around...

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They have already come to accept losing to Baylor. There is no rock bottom

These volunteer idiots are more pathetic than "Jaywalkers". It's sad, but it never gets old.

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He admitted after the game that he didn't pay attention to the offense at all during the game. If you're turning the reins over to a guy like John Chavis or Chad Morris back when he was OC at Clemson, that's one thing (though I'd still expect the head coaches to watch what's going on with those units). But turning over control to Shawn Watson and then completely ignoring the offense... WTF about that says "very good coach" to you?

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Originally, the point about Strong "making it up as he goes" had to do with his honesty.

After being thrashed on that point, the op tries to change the definition to mean Strong is making changes as he goes along. Everybody does. Strong is particularly decisive. He is making the best move, in my opinion.

But, to get back to the point, where in all of this is there an honesty issue? There isn't one.


Another person says that I am all in with Strong. Please name my options.

I think Strong is a very good coach and may well excell at Texas. If he doesn't, he will need to go.

It was a horrible game. But it was just one game.

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RV - What is your threshold? What is rock bottom for you? A losing season this season? Next season? What would a 3-8 record do for your allegiance?

Not trying to bash. Back in the Fran days, it got to a point when I'd just turn the TV off midway through the second quarter and go work in the yard.

I don't know if the guy is the right fit. Then again, I think the problems are much more than the coach. I think the AD and big cigars are an issue for Strong.

Sucks for Horn fans. As you can tell though, it makes Aggies happy. At least you have the balls to come around...

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I know Texas doing poorly makes Aggies happy. It was fun when the shoes were on the other feet.

I really don't see a need to name a number of wins. If the team looks like crap but has a winning season, like Mack managed a few times in his last years, that isn't so good to me.

I want to see the team playing and progressing and building. I want to see players going at it hard and fast.

Strong himself says we have the talent for a winning season. We couldn't see that Saturday for sure. I'm still waiting and seeing.

It's the first week of the season. Just about everybody is still wondering how good or how bad they have it. Last year, the Soluth Carolina victory in the first week made A&M look like a possible title contender. Let a few weeks pass by and we saw that USCe wasn't a good team.

You should feel great about the ASU victory no matter what, but it will mean more if ASU wins the Pac 12 or has a great season.

Strong could indeed fail, but I don't think he will. His task of finding a QB and offense in short order is not an easy one.

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Yet another nonresponse. Shocking. Keep throwing up blimps and hypotheticals from outer space to try and defend a football coach that very clearly doesn't have a clue what he's doing. It's your loss, pal. Don't listen to the obvious. I'm sure 2 OCs would love to know that the head coach doesn't give a **** who's calling what come evaluation time. Never mind that the real truth is that there's only 1 calling any plays, which the guy you're trying to defend lied about under oath.

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Why don't you respond to my point about defending people I don't know? That was the cornerstone of your attack on my intellect. You don't like that point anymore because it's foolish.

Saying I'm deflecting doesn't make it true, Esquire. Making stuff up about about lies under oath is just a dull minded play for the dull minded. Enjoy your constituency.

"OMG!!! The idiot threw up another blimp!! I'm an Esquire!!"

Genius.

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Originally, the point about Strong "making it up as he goes" had to do with his honesty.

After being thrashed on that point, the op tries to change the definition to mean Strong is making changes as he goes along. Everybody does. Strong is particularly decisive. He is making the best move, in my opinion.

But, to get back to the point, where in all of this is there an honesty issue? There isn't one.


Another person says that I am all in with Strong. Please name my options.

I think Strong is a very good coach and may well excell at Texas. If he doesn't, he will need to go.

It was a horrible game. But it was just one game.

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RV - What is your threshold? What is rock bottom for you? A losing season this season? Next season? What would a 3-8 record do for your allegiance?

Not trying to bash. Back in the Fran days, it got to a point when I'd just turn the TV off midway through the second quarter and go work in the yard.

I don't know if the guy is the right fit. Then again, I think the problems are much more than the coach. I think the AD and big cigars are an issue for Strong.

Sucks for Horn fans. As you can tell though, it makes Aggies happy. At least you have the balls to come around...

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I know Texas doing poorly makes Aggies happy. It was fun when the shoes were on the other feet.

I really don't see a need to name a number of wins. If the team looks like crap but has a winning season, like Mack managed a few times in his last years, that isn't so good to me.

I want to see the team playing and progressing and building. I want to see players going at it hard and fast.

Strong himself says we have the talent for a winning season. We couldn't see that Saturday for sure. I'm still waiting and seeing.

It's the first week of the season. Just about everybody is still wondering how good or how bad they have it. Last year, the Soluth Carolina victory in the first week made A&M look like a possible title contender. Let a few weeks pass by and we saw that USCe wasn't a good team.

You should feel great about the ASU victory no matter what, but it will mean more if ASU wins the Pac 12 or has a great season.

Strong could indeed fail, but I don't think he will. His task of finding a QB and offense in short order is not an easy one.

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Thanks for the answer. I'd wish you luck, but that would be BS. Instead, I wish so sanity and patience.

All joking aside I think Strong has an IQ well below 100. It shows in so many ways.

I give you mad props for believing he has any hope of success.

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And when that doesn't happen, who is left to blame other than Strong?

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And when that doesn't happen, who is left to blame other than Strong?

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Strong's mantra after every big loss is. "We have the players, we just didn't execute".

He will use that in every press conference after a loss... "we just didn't execute".

If you have the players and they aren't executing then that is ALL COACHING!

But why someone would believe anything Strong says in terms of evaluating players at this point is beyond me.

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Yet another nonresponse. Shocking. Keep throwing up blimps and hypotheticals from outer space to try and defend a football coach that very clearly doesn't have a clue what he's doing. It's your loss, pal. Don't listen to the obvious. I'm sure 2 OCs would love to know that the head coach doesn't give a **** who's calling what come evaluation time. Never mind that the real truth is that there's only 1 calling any plays, which the guy you're trying to defend lied about under oath.

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Why don't you respond to my point about defending people I don't know? That was the cornerstone of your attack on my intellect. You don't like that point anymore because it's foolish.

Saying I'm deflecting doesn't make it true, Esquire. Making stuff up about about lies under oath is just a dull minded play for the dull minded. Enjoy your constituency.

"OMG!!! The idiot threw up another blimp!! I'm an Esquire!!"

Genius.

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What point? You have yet to make a single one. You just keep deflecting, blimping, and look ridiculous doing so. It's amazing that you'd be so ****ing gullible. There's one obvious explanation here, buddy. Texas only had 1 OC, and Strong lied about that.

is there seriously a 4 page thread about RV's incompetent gargling, spew, over-blown fantastical horn hype? RV doesn't own what he said: I AM SHOCKED!

What do they do if they still suck really bad against Rice.?!?

Does Wickline finally get to call plays? Do they bring in Vince Young?

Will Charlie start calling the plays?

I still give RV credit for even being here in the first place after Saturday.

RV - Do you blame the all-time leader in wins, who won a NC and played for another, stock-piled top talent, who came to the Horns as they were in one of the worse decades of football they had ever seen and turned them into a national power, and played for the Big 12 Championship in his final regular season game, too? Your thoughts on Charlie cannot be changed. But your fanbase turning on Mack the way they have is downright disgraceful! I said this when it happened. Charlie dumping players when he arrived was an old coaches move. It had nothing to do with values. It buys the new coach time. Makes it look like the former coach didn't have control and frees the new coach up to bring in his style of player. And yall bought it hook line and sinker.

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Originally, the point about Strong "making it up as he goes" had to do with his honesty.

After being thrashed on that point, the op tries to change the definition to mean Strong is making changes as he goes along. Everybody does. Strong is particularly decisive. He is making the best move, in my opinion.

But, to get back to the point, where in all of this is there an honesty issue? There isn't one.


Another person says that I am all in with Strong. Please name my options.

I think Strong is a very good coach and may well excell at Texas. If he doesn't, he will need to go.

It was a horrible game. But it was just one game.

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"Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt"

bump... progress RV? 119 yds passing, 48 rushing, one O TD (by swoopes!)

isn't rv that cow guy ?

RVWhorn is speechless right now. . . He's trying to clear that Ok State branded turd that covers the Cal branded turd that covers the Holy Mother Dame turd which were lodged in his throat.

He might be gone for the season. Expect a new user name next season.