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It was a horrible game. But it was just one game.

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The third game in a row. The sixth game to lose by 21+ points.

You can claim to know what my OP in the other post was about. It was always about how he didn't have a plan, but when someone takes a throwaway action and makes it into good PR (core values and helmet stickers), Strong latches onto it as something he planned all along. Is it an honesty issue at its core? Maybe, but it really shows a lack of understanding as to what the job in front of you entails. Everything Strong has done thus far in Austin suggests that he has no idea what he is doing.

But I digress. I want to examine your, "just one game" comment. Did you know the following is true:

1. 6 losses by 21+ points.
2. Every time Texas has played a team that ended the season with fewer than 6 losses, they have lost. Strong has exactly two wins at Texas over teams with winning records, both finished 7-6. That means when he has played a team that finished 8-5 - lost, 9-4 - lost, 10-3 - lost, 11-2 - lost, 12-1 - lost. And that trend looks to absolutely continue in 2015.
3. In Strong's short 5+ year coaching career he is 15-17 against teams that finished with simply winning records
4. In Strong's short 5+ year coaching career he has lost to 5 teams that finished the year with losing records.

What I like about RV the most is it seems he comes here defending what he knows deep in his heart is wrong and that it's stupid to defend but his pride and arrogance about a team that is on the brink of total irrelevance wont let him stop defending. One other thing is, I think he somehow in a twisted way knows he's gonna get his skull crushed in with truth but he takes it anyway. After all, it's only one game.

No, bucko , it's not just one game. It's multiple games starting way back last year. Do you not see a pattern based upon the type of players you have left. You think 3-4 guys from last years class are gonna save the program when you have holes you haven't addressed for 2 years. You coaching is in such disarray that I dont know if anyone with a pulse will want to work for Chuckles even if he fired some guys. Your talent level is waning and even if you think you achieved some kind of recruiting win last year you didnt. And the kicker is... you lose big this season and I look for recruiting to drop off the map for the Whorns and then off season defections.

But you just keep defending what your simple mind believes is true. I'm still trying to figure out what stage of denial you're in. One more thing. We speak from experience with the Fraud when he coached at A&M. So we have somewhat of a sample set to go by.

Good luck .. but not really.

RV - You want to talk about honesty? "It is just one game" That is not being honest. It is a string of games going back an entire year. Charlie brought Watson with him. Charlie has seen this stuff for over a year, through spring and fall practices. This is on Charlie. RC started firing offensive Cord. left and right before he was let go. It is how Head Coaches hold off the wolves! But the fact is the Head Coach hires these guys. I talked to a guy whose son played for Charlie at Louisville. He said Charlie could not care less about the offense and wants to win games 10-6. Charlie is not the DC, he is the Head Coach. Not being concerned or involved with all three phases of the game is a mistake that will get you fired. As a coach I hate to say it about a guy who is at the highest level of college coaching. But Charlie looks to me like a guy that is in way over his head.

Why are we even debating sips on this? I say, encourage them.

Stop Coach, RV cant handle that much truth in one post.

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Originally, the point about Strong "making it up as he goes" had to do with his honesty.

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Did you read the original thread to which bonfire refers? Just enter "pathological liar" in the search box. Then comment on my reading ability, sport.

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It was a horrible game. But it was just one game.

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The third game in a row. The sixth game to lose by 21+ points.

You can claim to know what my OP in the other post was about. It was always about how he didn't have a plan, but when someone takes a throwaway action and makes it into good PR (core values and helmet stickers), Strong latches onto it as something he planned all along. Is it an honesty issue at its core? Maybe, but it really shows a lack of understanding as to what the job in front of you entails. Everything Strong has done thus far in Austin suggests that he has no idea what he is doing.

But I digress. I want to examine your, "just one game" comment. Did you know the following is true:

1. 6 losses by 21+ points.
2. Every time Texas has played a team that ended the season with fewer than 6 losses, they have lost. Strong has exactly two wins at Texas over teams with winning records, both finished 7-6. That means when he has played a team that finished 8-5 - lost, 9-4 - lost, 10-3 - lost, 11-2 - lost, 12-1 - lost. And that trend looks to absolutely continue in 2015.
3. In Strong's short 5+ year coaching career he is 15-17 against teams that finished with simply winning records
4. In Strong's short 5+ year coaching career he has lost to 5 teams that finished the year with losing records.

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You mean we didn't win the National Championship last year? I've been terribly misinformed.

And please, just give up on that other thread. You come across like the Black Knight.

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What I like about RV the most is it seems he comes here defending what he knows deep in his heart is wrong and that it's stupid to defend but his pride and arrogance about a team that is on the brink of total irrelevance wont let him stop defending. One other thing is, I think he somehow in a twisted way knows he's gonna get his skull crushed in with truth but he takes it anyway. After all, it's only one game.

No, bucko , it's not just one game. It's multiple games starting way back last year. Do you not see a pattern based upon the type of players you have left. You think 3-4 guys from last years class are gonna save the program when you have holes you haven't addressed for 2 years. You coaching is in such disarray that I dont know if anyone with a pulse will want to work for Chuckles even if he fired some guys. Your talent level is waning and even if you think you achieved some kind of recruiting win last year you didnt. And the kicker is... you lose big this season and I look for recruiting to drop off the map for the Whorns and then off season defections.

But you just keep defending what your simple mind believes is true. I'm still trying to figure out what stage of denial you're in. One more thing. We speak from experience with the Fraud when he coached at A&M. So we have somewhat of a sample set to go by.

Good luck .. but not really.

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Thanks for the kind words.

Guys, I agree with RV. It was just one game. Let's let this play out a bit further. Nobody knows how well Strong my turn it around this year, next, or maybe even the year after. Hell, it might take 5 years.

It is full on racism to not allow Charlie more than two years to fix this mess.

How long will it take for horn to admit the coaching search to tell your grandkids about failed? The race to keep up with TAMU failed. Your cold war on the Aggies failed. Your impression of yourself as the almighty has failed and everyone paying attention to college football had to make excuses for why horn sucks. Horn is just another team and program no longer transcendent.

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It is full on racism to not allow Charlie more than two years to fix this mess.

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It also means that UT does not respect women and want to allow all their players to carry guns.

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RV - You want to talk about honesty? "It is just one game" That is not being honest.

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The ND game was the first game of this season.

How well did your 2011 season predict your 2012 season?

For that matter, how well did your 2010 season predict your 2011 season?

I didn't predict a great season for Texas this year. I did feel like we'd look better than we did last Saturday. I haven't given up on that. Chances are that Strong goes all in on youth and takes his lumps this year (again). It won't be much fun, but it might be the only way to right the course.

Oh, and the three teams Texas was crushed by were all three very good. Texas should never lose by those margins ever, but they were all very good teams. If we don't play better, we'll lose to mediocre teams, too, but it's still too early to tell.

I am glad that you're not on the Texas coaching staff.

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RV - You want to talk about honesty? "It is just one game" That is not being honest.

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The ND game was the first game of this season.

How well did your 2011 season predict your 2012 season?

For that matter, how well did your 2010 season predict your 2011 season?

I didn't predict a great season for Texas this year. I did feel like we'd look better than we did last Saturday. I haven't given up on that. Chances are that Strong goes all in on youth and takes his lumps this year (again). It won't be much fun, but it might be the only way to right the course.

Oh, and the three teams Texas was crushed by were all three very good. Texas should never lose by those margins ever, but they were all very good teams. If we don't play better, we'll lose to mediocre teams, too, but it's still too early to tell.

I am glad that you're not on the Texas coaching staff.

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We shouldn't judge Strong on last year's results. He needs at least two more seasons before any conclusion can be reached.

Now you can all make the same joke for an hour or two. I'll check in later.

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Oh, and the three teams Texas was crushed by were all three very good.

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Arkie was 7-6 last year and ND was 8-5, hardly world beaters.

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Texas should never lose by those margins ever, but they were all very good teams.

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tu has lost by worse margins multiple times in the last multiple times last year. They lost 5 games last year by 20 or more points. I love your idiotic bs about how tu should never lose by those margins. They lose by those margins, but like most tu fans you tend to believe there was not a period of time between dkkkr and mack, and losses do not exist for tu.

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Did you read the original thread to which bonfire refers? Just enter "pathological liar" in the search box. Then comment on my reading ability, sport.

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Try reading this again, sweetheart

"Yeah, That's the ticket!" That quote, that is the window into the inner workings of Charlie Strong's brain. "


No wonder you have such blind faith in Strong's ability despite the fact that he was passed over for many other head coaching jobs.

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You've been making the same dumb argument for two weeks. Check back in after you've quit parsing words.

We know all too well what it feels like to start freshman. We played many last year. And it hurt at times. But let me say this. That is where the comparisons stop. You dont play in the freakin SEC west, You dont have the caliber of coaches that A&M has. Those are some of the determining factors of how your young team will do and ours will do. Let that sink in. They are not the same.

In case you didnt realized we had 4 starters on defense out for the game agains ASU, and still managed to hold them under 300 yards of offense. Chuckles... well lets just say you can wait and hold your breath waiting around for him to do something but just like Fran, it wont happen.But you keep holding the rope.

I have one question for you. What if you barely beat Rice.. or not at all. What would happen then.

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The ND game was the first game of this season.

How well did your 2011 season predict your 2012 season?

For that matter, how well did your 2010 season predict your 2011 season?

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Comparing your situation to our 2011 vs. 2012 season....when we fired our coach and hired another one. Very Apt comparison.

Comparing your situation to our 2010 vs. 2011 season....when we returned 18 starters and were projected to be awesome, and disappointed. Another very Apt Comparison.

You were abjectly horrible in 2014. And you hoped you would be a little bit better. Not the same as us hoping to follow up a 10 win season with something more like we did in 2010. We actually had reason to be hopeful. We returned talent that is now making over $250 Million in contracts in the NFL. Your attempt to compare it further shows your idiocy.

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I didn't predict a great season for Texas this year. I did feel like we'd look better than we did last Saturday. I haven't given up on that. Chances are that Strong goes all in on youth and takes his lumps this year (again). It won't be much fun, but it might be the only way to right the course.

Oh, and the three teams Texas was crushed by were all three very good.

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That is my point above. We had reason to be optimistic in 2011. The only reason you had to be optimistic in 2015 was hope and it satisfied a need you had inside. There was no freshmen talent on your roster in 2014. The freshmen talent you had coming in for 2015 was all on defense, and it wasn't in the areas you needed it. It wasn't going to even attempt to fill the holes vacated by Ced Reed and Malcolm Brown. There was nothing in Charlie Strong's coaching history to suggest you would experience rapid improvement without a Heisman caliber quarterback. But you thought it so, you hoped it so, and you needed it to be. And so it was.

Keep it up pal. It is an awesome display of hubris.

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But, to get back to the point, where in all of this is there an honesty issue? There isn't one.

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RV, your post from which this quote was taken is basically good, sound logic and reasoning. I take issue with the above quote only from that post.

I question Strong's honesty about a couple of matters:

1) He really doesn't know who's calling the plays, and/or the guy Texas got from OK St. really isn't calling them, it wasn't a sideways move, and Texas doesn't owe OK St. $400,000.

2) Did he really not kick anybody off the team? He claimed that he didn't, preferring to let the player make that determination for himself, then he approves the transfer. Really? Even the two guys that raped that one girl?

In point 1, above, that was apparently during a deposition. As dramatic as it sounds, he literally may have committed perjury in order to try to save his Ath. Dept. $400,000. I also wonder how much it's costing Texas to fight the suit.

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Nevermind him holding a player hostage after lying to him about who would be his coach.

RV - The difference in the Aggies 2011 -2012 seasons were A complete new coaching staff and a Heisman winning QB. I don't see either at Texas. And as far as you being glad I am not on the Longhorn staff, I bet I am way happier about that than you! I don't like losing, and I sure don't want to be looking for a new job next season like most coaches on the Horn staff will be doing. I bet the Gilmer coach that left a great job wishes he was back coaching a team that has a real chance to win!

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Arkie was 7-6 last year and ND was 8-5, hardly world beaters.

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Texas should never lose by those margins ever, but they were all very good teams.

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Check into the difference between "should never" and "have never." Then look in the mirror for a definition of "idiot."

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Did you read the original thread to which bonfire refers? Just enter "pathological liar" in the search box. Then comment on my reading ability, sport.

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Try reading this again, sweetheart

"Yeah, That's the ticket!" That quote, that is the window into the inner workings of Charlie Strong's brain. "


No wonder you have such blind faith in Strong's ability despite the fact that he was passed over for many other head coaching jobs.

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I like that when bonfire and the girls get together that they're soooooo supportive of each other right or wrong.

I've argued this point on the other thread. I won't waste time on every new iteration of spin that you girls come up with to try to make bonfire and yourselves feel better. I don't begrudge your delusion; I just choose not to participate anymore.

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Now you can all make the same joke for an hour or two. I'll check in later.

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You've been making the same dumb argument for two weeks. Check back in after you've quit parsing words.

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Come back when you actually understand them.

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But, to get back to the point, where in all of this is there an honesty issue? There isn't one.

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RV, your post from which this quote was taken is basically good, sound logic and reasoning. I take issue with the above quote only from that post.

I question Strong's honesty about a couple of matters:

1) He really doesn't know who's calling the plays, and/or the guy Texas got from OK St. really isn't calling them, it wasn't a sideways move, and Texas doesn't owe OK St. $400,000.

2) Did he really not kick anybody off the team? He claimed that he didn't, preferring to let the player make that determination for himself, then he approves the transfer. Really? Even the two guys that raped that one girl?

In point 1, above, that was apparently during a deposition. As dramatic as it sounds, he literally may have committed perjury in order to try to save his Ath. Dept. $400,000. I also wonder how much it's costing Texas to fight the suit.

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Thanks.

I don't think that Texas is involved in the lawsuit. That's what Peterson has said and I haven't read otherwise. Texas does not have an agreement like y'all do with Chavis about covering his fees for changing schools.

1) I'm not sure what Charlie is listening to on the sideline. I know that after one game last year, he was asked what he was talking about on the headset after a defensive breakdown and he replied that he was asking what defense we had called. This could indicate the he takes a more strategic view during the game and leaves offensive and defensive play calling to his coordinators. The main point is that neither of us have much reason to believe that Strong is lying. In fact, him not knowing who called the plays indicates that the plays are indeed called by more than one person. Next week he will know who is calling the plays because he has made it clear that Norvell has that duty.

2) I don't know about Strong ever saying that he has never kicked anyone off the team. He clearly kicked off the alleged rapists and other players last year. Do you have a quote or story that I can see?

I hope I have matched your civility.

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Nevermind him holding a player hostage after lying to him about who would be his coach.

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Strong says he was taken by surprise when the DL coach decided to leave. How do you know Strong lied?

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RV - The difference in the Aggies 2011 -2012 seasons were A complete new coaching staff and a Heisman winning QB. I don't see either at Texas. And as far as you being glad I am not on the Longhorn staff, I bet I am way happier about that than you! I don't like losing, and I sure don't want to be looking for a new job next season like most coaches on the Horn staff will be doing. I bet the Gilmer coach that left a great job wishes he was back coaching a team that has a real chance to win!

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The point is that last season isn't a prophecy about this season. I know it's subtle to you, but I never say that the teams or results are the same.

Perhaps you've also noticed that pre-season ranking are sometimes way off?

One should not be too sure in early predictions.

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Strong says he was taken by surprise when the DL coach decided to leave. How do you know Strong lied?

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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Then why didn't rumph leave before signing day? Didn't Charlie confirm with rumph in the days before? Charlie had no idea? Why does lampkin still think Charlie's a liar? Couldn't Charlie have told lampkin, "Hey, I was lied to as well"?

LOLOLOLOLOL

I'd bet the race card will played before the #developerstrong story is over. It's almost inevitable, based on nothing but how this trainwreck is unfolding.

As Ags, we could not have written a better script for this current clown show.

Is there a freshman class where Texas teaches lying? It seems they all do it and support each other doing it. It's like it's a core value.

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Come back when you actually understand them.

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Everyone understands your arguments. We just simply reject them as the piss-poor arguments that they are.

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Nevermind him holding a player hostage after lying to him about who would be his coach.

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Strong says he was taken by surprise when the DL coach decided to leave. How do you know Strong lied?

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Speaking of delusions.

Lampkin also said he was fine a few days later.

Which story do you want to believe? Why didn't he indicate at that moment that he wanted out?

Why did he wait and try to weasle out by not taking the Spanish classes he said he would take?

Yea, Lampkin is a model of honesty and commitment.