Charlie sure is taken by surprise by a whole lot of things that he supposedly in charge of.

That's the sign of a great leader, right??? Having no idea what is going on in the organization you lead??

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Lampkin also said he was fine a few days later.

Which story do you want to believe? Why didn't he indicate at that moment that he wanted out?

Why did he wait and try to weasle out by not taking the Spanish classes he said he would take?

Yea, Lampkin is a model of honesty and commitment.

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Is Omenihu also a liar?

Exactly what options did lampkin have to get out of his binding letter of intent?

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Exactly what options did lampkin have to get out of his binding letter of intent?

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How do we know Lampkin didn't immediately ask to be released? All we do know is that Charlie did eventually say no. For the kids.

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The point is that last season isn't a prophecy about this season. I know it's subtle to you, but I never say that the teams or results are the same.

Perhaps you've also noticed that pre-season ranking are sometimes way off?

One should not be too sure in early predictions.

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I told ya'll.... his mind is gone.

Dude, give it up.. no really.. please. Just go away quietly and forget you know about his place. You're about as useful here as a feather in a hurricane. You need to just stop defending the utter lunacy that is coming out of the 40 acres. The whole world has started to cave in around you and you still defend the clown show.

Even that national media is starting to pile on. Where as they have just been standing back watching and laughing, even they cant stand it anymore. It's out of control You are the Titanic.

And you once were Texas. Such a sad pathetic little man.

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The point is that last season isn't a prophecy about this season. I know it's subtle to you, but I never say that the teams or results are the same.

Perhaps you've also noticed that pre-season ranking are sometimes way off?

One should not be too sure in early predictions.

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I told ya'll.... his mind is gone.

Dude, give it up.. no really.. please. Just go away quietly and forget you know about his place. You're about as useful here as a feather in a hurricane. You need to just stop defending the utter lunacy that is coming out of the 40 acres. The whole world has started to cave in around you and you still defend the clown show.

Even that national media is starting to pile on. Where as they have just been standing back watching and laughing, even they cant stand it anymore. It's out of control You are the Titanic.

And you once were Texas. Such a sad pathetic little man.

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Thanks.

I don't think that Texas is involved in the lawsuit. That's what Peterson has said and I haven't read otherwise. Texas does not have an agreement like y'all do with Chavis about covering his fees for changing schools.

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Understood. I've noticed it's common for the school who wants the coach to pay for any buyout to get the coach's services. It will be interesting to see if Texas covers it should the coach lose the suit. (I'd expect a settlement, and we may never know if anything was paid, or, if so, who paid it.

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1) I'm not sure what Charlie is listening to on the sideline. I know that after one game last year, he was asked what he was talking about on the headset after a defensive breakdown and he replied that he was asking what defense we had called. This could indicate the he takes a more strategic view during the game and leaves offensive and defensive play calling to his coordinators.

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Yes, that sounds logical and believable.

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The main point is that neither of us have much reason to believe that Strong is lying. In fact, him not knowing who called the plays indicates that the plays are indeed called by more than one person. Next week he will know who is calling the plays because he has made it clear that Norvell has that duty.

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But, RV, if the coach who came from OK St. has playcalling duties to some or any extent, Strong should be aware of that. He may not know precisely which plays were called by which coach or coordinator, but he should know, in general, the precise coaches he has given permission to call plays, and in post-game video breakdowns in coaches meetings he should, at some point, be appraised of which coach called which plays so that he may evaluate the efficacy of one coach's playcalling ability versus another. His answer indicated, to my understanding, that he simply didn't know who was calling the plays, which I do not believe.

And if the HC at Texas really, legitimately doesn't not know who's calling the plays, I question his competence.

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2) I don't know about Strong ever saying that he has never kicked anyone off the team. He clearly kicked off the alleged rapists and other players last year. Do you have a quote or story that I can see?

I hope I have matched your civility.

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You did. I'll look for the story.

Found it, or at least one of them:

Texas Head Coach Charlie Strong Says He Didn't Kick Players off the Team

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The list of players Strong dismisseder, suggested leave the programincludes offensive tackle Kennedy Estelle, fullback Chet Moss, safety Leroy Scott, running back Joe Bergeron, safety Chevoski Collins, running back Jalen Overstreet, wide receiver Montrel Meander, wide receiver Kendall Sanders and linebacker Deoundrei Davis.

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I think Strong is a very good coach and may well excell at Texas. If he doesn't, he will need to go.

It was a horrible game. But it was just one game. (Post TCU game)

It was a horrible game. But it was just one game. (Post Arkansas game)

It was a horrible game. But it was just one game. (Post ND game)

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"Half the teams in the country lost this weekend."

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The ND game was the first game of this season.

How well did your 2011 season predict your 2012 season?

For that matter, how well did your 2010 season predict your 2011 season?

I didn't predict a great season for Texas this year. I did feel like we'd look better than we did last Saturday. I haven't given up on that. Chances are that Strong goes all in on youth and takes his lumps this year (again). It won't be much fun, but it might be the only way to right the course.

Oh, and the three teams Texas was crushed by were all three very good. Texas should never lose by those margins ever, but they were all very good teams. If we don't play better, we'll lose to mediocre teams, too, but it's still too early to tell.

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The biggest issue with your program (IMO) is... lack of a quality QB.

Not saying you would have beat ND, just that it would have been closer.


Not having a quality QB affects almost every part of the team and would be able to cover up a lot of the teams deficiencies.

t.u had a decent one in Gentry and then the coaches had a brain meltdown when Kyler said he was interested.

I guess you could put it all on Strong, he's the one that didn't put a major priority on getting another QB in to be the starter for this year.

Starting Swoopes for the 2015 = read definition of insanity per 2014.

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The biggest issue with your program (IMO) is... lack of a quality QB.

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They have too many biggest issues.

QB is one, but no QB is going to do much behind that O-line.

And the defense is horrible as well.

Here is what Texas touted when strong came in and brought Watson and Wickline:

Watson = Quarterback Guru and developer.
So far this has translated into taking the best QB in Texas (according to the recruiting rankings gurus) and doing nothing with him. Actually making him worse as time goes on.

Wickline = Greatest OLine coach in the history of everything
So far this has resulted in absolutely nothing. Definitely not coaching up those 3 stars to 5-star talent.

Strong = Greatest Defensive mind in the game.
Their defense is not that good. They have resorted to starting a white walk-on at Linebacker. And they have lost 6 of their last 14 games by 20+ points... something texas hasn't done since pre-WWII

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I understand that by your twisted logic, if I called you a loser who lives in a van down by the river, you'd think that I called you a motivational speaker.

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Wickline = Greatest OLine coach in the history of everything

So far this has resulted in absolutely nothing. Definitely not coaching up those 3 stars to 5-star talent.

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He has 5 four star players to work with.

4 Stars:
Connor Williams
Sedrick Flowers
Patrick Vahe
Kent Perkins
Jake Raulerson

3 Star:
Taylor Doyle
Marcus Hutchins
Brandon Hodges

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Originally, the point about Strong "making it up as he goes" had to do with his honesty.

After being thrashed on that point, the op tries to change the definition to mean Strong is making changes as he goes along. Everybody does. Strong is particularly decisive. He is making the best move, in my opinion.

But, to get back to the point, where in all of this is there an honesty issue? There isn't one.


Another person says that I am all in with Strong. Please name my options.

I think Strong is a very good coach and may well excell at Texas. If he doesn't, he will need to go.

It was a horrible game. But it was just one game.

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You are so f----cking delusional and stupid it really is unmatched in entertainment value.

There are a lot of Chollie Truthers out there

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It was a horrible game. But it was just one game.

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It has been a pattern since he has been at tu.

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Strong is particularly decisive. He is making the best move, in my opinion.

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That's like being the tallest midget in the circus. Wait a minute...

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Another person says that I am all in with Strong. Please name my options.

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This is exactly why we're all laughing at that dumpster fire you call a football program.

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It was a horrible game. But it was just one game.

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TCU, Arkansas, and ND say hi!

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Found it, or at least one of them:

Texas Head Coach Charlie Strong Says He Didn't Kick Players off the Team

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The list of players Strong dismisseder, suggested leave the programincludes offensive tackle Kennedy Estelle, fullback Chet Moss, safety Leroy Scott, running back Joe Bergeron, safety Chevoski Collins, running back Jalen Overstreet, wide receiver Montrel Meander, wide receiver Kendall Sanders and linebacker Deoundrei Davis.

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Thanks. My opinion is that this is semantical. Strong became sensitive to the notion that he was an inflexible disciplinarian which circulated as players left or were suspended from the team. I think this quote from your link characterizes how Strong thinks:

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Basically, Strong thinks that by violating one of his core values, the players who left the program sealed their own respective fates. They knew what he expected from them, and when they betrayed those expectations, they kicked themselves out of the program.

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Another quote of Strong's is "they must become like us because we will never become like them." This fits in where he has often said about the players who have not conformed and been punished or moved on: "You know, if 80 players can follow the rules, why can't these other players?"

I think his statement about advising players to move to other programs is made to illustrate that the players had the option to stay merely by following a pretty easy set of core values.

Semantically, I agree that the players were effectively kicked off the team. But I will point to the case of Estelle and Harrison last year. Strong kept them in school and gave them opportunities to go to rehab and remain students even though it was clear that they were through being Longhorn players. Harrison thought he might be coming back, but Charlie said no.

In these cases, you might be able to draw the distinction between being summarily kicked off and given chances to stay on the team or at least remain a student.

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It was a horrible game. But it was just one game.

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TCU, Arkansas, and ND say hi!

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Is one trip to the red zone in three games good?

On the other part where we may disagree, you state:

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But, RV, if the coach who came from OK St. has playcalling duties to some or any extent, Strong should be aware of that. He may not know precisely which plays were called by which coach or coordinator, but he should know, in general, the precise coaches he has given permission to call plays, and in post-game video breakdowns in coaches meetings he should, at some point, be appraised of which coach called which plays so that he may evaluate the efficacy of one coach's playcalling ability versus another. His answer indicated, to my understanding, that he simply didn't know who was calling the plays, which I do not believe.

And if the HC at Texas really, legitimately doesn't not know who's calling the plays, I question his competence.

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I don't remember how long after the game that Strong stated that he did not know who was calling the plays against Arkansas. I know he said it.

Two possibilities about that quote:

1. It was still close to game time and he had not reviewed anything about the game.
2. Time had passed, but it was the last game of the season and perhaps there was no rush to review something in detail that was so overall toxic. Further, notice that Strong does not like to immediately condemn anyone on his staff. After the ND loss, he spoke generally about the running game. He waited a few days before reviewing the game a couple of times and making his move against Wickline and Watson.

He does seem to speak generally about the offense and defense. He may (I don't claim to know) be dealing with his coordinators on the strategic level. "We gave too many long runs." "Why don't we run the ball more? That's what I told you I wanted."

I remain happy with the Strong choice. He's a good man. I hope he works out as out coach.

My compliments for raising the level of discourse.

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It was a horrible game. But it was just one game.

I remember the Fran years when this was my mantra. Which quickly turned into it was a horrible season. But it was just one season. It was a horrible recruiting class (those that actually made it to campus, but it was just one recruiting class. Yadda yadda yadda, just one decade

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They have too many biggest issues.

QB is one, but no QB is going to do much behind that O-line.

And the defense is horrible as well.

Here is what Texas touted when strong came in and brought Watson and Wickline:

Watson = Quarterback Guru and developer.
So far this has translated into taking the best QB in Texas (according to the recruiting rankings gurus) and doing nothing with him. Actually making him worse as time goes on.

Wickline = Greatest OLine coach in the history of everything
So far this has resulted in absolutely nothing. Definitely not coaching up those 3 stars to 5-star talent.

Strong = Greatest Defensive mind in the game.
Their defense is not that good. They have resorted to starting a white walk-on at Linebacker. And they have lost 6 of their last 14 games by 20+ points... something texas hasn't done since pre-WWII

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A lot of people objected to Watson from day one. It was one of the earliest criticisms of Strong. Watson was not Strong's first choice.

Wickline can hardly be dismissed yet. He had just about nobody to work with last year after suspensions and injuries.

Strong and the defensive staff elevated the Texas defense from an embarrassment to a good unit last year. Aggies all over this board predicted a drop off because of the players Texas lost. They look correct. Now it's a matter of how fast can the new guys get up to NCAA speed.

The "white linebacker" you talk about is actually a safety who was a leading tackler last year and, I beieve, led the team in interceptions. He had a bad game against ND. We'll see what happens from there.

The poster above you is correct about the QB spot except that I am not sure that the Kyler Murray thing is what persuaded the NM QB to switch to Michigan. Interestingly, Michigan was trying him at tight end during the summer. I don't know where he is on their depth chart, but he was going to take time no matter where he went. I liked him and wish that he'd remained committed, but he wasn't a short term answer to Texas QB woes.

RV Horn,

Are you expecting a huge, sellout crowd at DKR Saturday night?

After all, don't college football blueblood/elite programs have no problem selling out season-opening home games, especially with such a huge and loyal fan base, like those that follow the flagship program for the state of Texas?

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I don't remember how long after the game that Strong stated that he did not know who was calling the plays against Arkansas. I know he said it.

Two possibilities about that quote:

1. It was still close to game time and he had not reviewed anything about the game.
2. Time had passed, but it was the last game of the season and perhaps there was no rush to review something in detail that was so overall toxic. Further, notice that Strong does not like to immediately condemn anyone on his staff. After the ND loss, he spoke generally about the running game. He waited a few days before reviewing the game a couple of times and making his move against Wickline and Watson.

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Who's the one that's projecting their thoughts and opinions on Charlie Strong?

On April 10, Strong said that he hadn't watched the Arkansas tape because he tried to forget about the game.

RV-

You are spewing some pretty good bull**** and I have to give you credit for being here slinging it around when no one else from _exas is making an appearance.

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RV Horn,

Are you expecting a huge, sellout crowd at DKR Saturday night?

After all, don't college football blueblood/elite programs have no problem selling out season-opening home games, especially with such a huge and loyal fan base, like those that follow the flagship program for the state of Texas?

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I couldn't care less. The identity of the Longhorns is its history on the field not the goings on around it.

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I don't remember how long after the game that Strong stated that he did not know who was calling the plays against Arkansas. I know he said it.

Two possibilities about that quote:

1. It was still close to game time and he had not reviewed anything about the game.
2. Time had passed, but it was the last game of the season and perhaps there was no rush to review something in detail that was so overall toxic. Further, notice that Strong does not like to immediately condemn anyone on his staff. After the ND loss, he spoke generally about the running game. He waited a few days before reviewing the game a couple of times and making his move against Wickline and Watson.

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Who's the one that's projecting their thoughts and opinions on Charlie Strong?

On April 10, Strong said that he hadn't watched the Arkansas tape because he tried to forget about the game.

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I state possibilities. I don't assert my guesses to be facts.

About the April 10 statement, that seems to support that Strong didn't care to watch the tape of an abysmal performance. Maybe that explains why he didn't know who exactly called what plays.

Or didn't know that his "new offensive scheme" was actually the same tired ****.

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I don't remember how long after the game that Strong stated that he did not know who was calling the plays against Arkansas. I know he said it.

Two possibilities about that quote:

1. It was still close to game time and he had not reviewed anything about the game.
2. Time had passed, but it was the last game of the season and perhaps there was no rush to review something in detail that was so overall toxic. Further, notice that Strong does not like to immediately condemn anyone on his staff. After the ND loss, he spoke generally about the running game. He waited a few days before reviewing the game a couple of times and making his move against Wickline and Watson.

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Who's the one that's projecting their thoughts and opinions on Charlie Strong?

On April 10, Strong said that he hadn't watched the Arkansas tape because he tried to forget about the game.

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I state possibilities. I don't assert my guesses to be facts.

About the April 10 statement, that seems to support that Strong didn't care to watch the tape of an abysmal performance. Maybe that explains why he didn't know who exactly called what plays.

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It's the a football coach's job to watch tape and identify areas for improvement.

It doesn't bother you that Charlie Strong admitted to negligence of duties?

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The "white linebacker" you talk about is actually a safety who was a leading tackler last year and, I beieve, led the team in interceptions. He had a bad game against ND. We'll see what happens from there.

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Call us names and tell us that Charlie isn't making it up as he goes along, Jon Lovitz style.

YEAH, THAT'S THE TICKET!

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These events don't make your crazed speculations any more accurate or sensible than they were before.

The Texas offense has stunk it up. Strong makes a move that I'm happy about. He's not making it up as he goes along, he's looking for solutions.

Glad to be your touchstone, but you're still not gold.

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Shouldn't he have found a solution in the last, oh, say, 8 months when they weren't playing football (not saying they are now, but there are indeed games with your team listed). In 8 months, absolutely nothing changed and a lot got worse. That's not "looking for solutions."

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YEAH, THAT'S THE TICKET!

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These events don't make your crazed speculations any more accurate or sensible than they were before.

The Texas offense has stunk it up. Strong makes a move that I'm happy about. He's not making it up as he goes along, he's looking for solutions.

Glad to be your touchstone, but you're still not gold.

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LOL - you said at a minimum you expected 8 wins to show the progress that was needed/possible this year... 8 effin' WINS!

BWHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA

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These events don't make your crazed speculations any more accurate or sensible than they were before.

The Texas offense has stunk it up. Strong makes a move that I'm happy about. He's not making it up as he goes along, he's looking for solutions.

Glad to be your touchstone, but you're still not gold.

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Shouldn't he have found a solution in the last, oh, say, 8 months when they weren't playing football (not saying they are now, but there are indeed games with your team listed). In 8 months, absolutely nothing changed and a lot got worse. That's not "looking for solutions."

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So, Sumlin's failure to find a solution for your terrible defenses the two previous seasons make him worse at finding solutions than Strong?

They were working on solutions (as was Sumlin) and they didn't pan out. Instead of waiting until the end of the season, Strong is making a prompt move.

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YEAH, THAT'S THE TICKET!

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These events don't make your crazed speculations any more accurate or sensible than they were before.

The Texas offense has stunk it up. Strong makes a move that I'm happy about. He's not making it up as he goes along, he's looking for solutions.

Glad to be your touchstone, but you're still not gold.

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LOL - you said at a minimum you expected 8 wins to show the progress that was needed/possible this year... 8 effin' WINS!

BWHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA

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As you are apparently my unofficial biographer, where did I write that? I don't recall writing it.

Whether I did or not, I did think eight wins could happen. I didn't expect ND to be one of them.

My standard for the season has to do with progress over the season and style of play. ND was a vast disappointment.

I can't believe this guy spends this much time defending someone he's never met. I also can't believe some of the ridiculous excuses he makes up in his head to justify things that really don't have more than one reasonable explanation. For example, do you actually think Strong didn't watch the tape of the Arkansas game? Do you know ANYTHING about football. Coaches watch the tape of EVERY GAME. ALWAYS. My father in law is a high school coach in this state. He will tell you the same thing. No matter the outcome, coaches watch the tape.