Here is one reason. Below is a list of notable teams and their respective games vs. 2010 ranked opponents. While the numbers can/will fluctuate up or down, the truism is UT and OU play to beat one another and survive/slaughter the rest. The top of the list is the SEC...

Ranked at Home Ranked on Road
Arkansas 2 3
Alabama 3 3
Florida 3 2
Georgia 3 2
Kentucky 3 1
S. Carolina 3 3
Ole Miss 1 3
Tennessee 3 3
Auburn 4 1
Vanderbilt 3 2
LSU 2 3
Miss State 3 4

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Boise State 1 1
Nebraska 1 0
Texas 1 1
TCU 1 0
Penn State 0 3
Ohio State 1 2
Oklahoma 1 2
Virginia Tech 1 2
Iowa 3 0
Oregon 0 1
Wisconsin 1 2
Miami 3 1
W. Virginia 0 0
Notre Dame 0 1

Feel free to look at the TAMU sched and add if you want...

[This message has been edited by HE15MAN (edited 8/26/2010 5:16p).]

So you are basing this conclusion on 1 preseason poll? Ease up there, chief.

You should check the records of all the national champs going back 10 years. The common link is that they played and beat multiple ranked teams and that includes the years Texas and OU won.

If you want to keep it to just the conference championship level, I'd love to see the same numbers for all the past 10 Big 12 champions. My guess is that they too beat multiple ranked teams during the season.

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You have 1 title during that time Alex.

You're telling me that in those 9 other years, the numbers would look drastically different?

Willing to prove that?

they made the right hires at the right time and play in a conference where you pretty much only have 1 team to beat.

I'll repeat my edit from above:

If you want to keep it to just the conference championship level, I'd love to see the same numbers for all the past 10 Big 12 champions. My guess is that they too beat multiple ranked teams during the season.

And for the Iowa's and Wisconsin's of the world, I'm sure they have figured out how easy tOSU and during up years UM had their road's paved.

This is about UT and OU vs. the B12. Again, if you wish to prove to the contrary, please do so.

For argument sake, just look at your close run in 2008.

http://www.ncaafootball.com/index.php?s=&change_well_id=2&url_article_id=12702

You plated a legit 3 ranked teams based upon final standings, losing to 1 (TT). Compared to 2010, one can only surmise your road this season is equally as easy if not easier.

ETA: Read that as Big 10 for some reason Al...my bad. Same applies however.

[This message has been edited by HE15MAN (edited 8/26/2010 5:30p).]

Not to derail your theory, but would you care to research how many conference championships Mack Brown has won in his entire career, let alone the Big XII? I believe the answer is two.

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"All I did was take cash," Quinn said. "I didn't break any laws and I get kicked off the team, but there's people on the team that are breaking laws and failing drug tests and stuff like that, and there's nobody getting kicked off the team for that type of stuff."

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2825084

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You plated a legit 3 ranked teams based upon final standings,

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There's part of the problem right there. Suppose a team plays a team ranked #18 in the middle of the season and beats them, knocking them to #25. Do you get credit for beating #18 or #25 or their potential ranking at the end of the season which could be something else entirely.

People like to twist this to suit their argument and only use the ranking which is most advantageous for making their point. I don't care to play the game myself. It's silly.

Rankings will change multiple times during the season. I am confident whoever wins the Big 12 this year as in years past will have faced and beaten multiple quality teams who were and will be ranked in the Top 25.

Ags you play 4 ranked teams and possibly 5 given Mizzou's success

Just looking at the thread's title I was going to answer, "Because they've been really good." But now I know the truth.

to answer the question we have to start with one of the myths of Texas high school recruiting:

"there are plenty of great players to fill every team's roster"

No, there is not. Specifically on the defensive side of the ball. That's why OU and Texas have dominated. They have won the recruiting battles for the great defensive players.

A&M, OSU, Tech, Mizzou, etc.., have had plenty of great QB's, WR's, and RB's in the past 10 years; but great DL's, LB's, and DB's have been hard to come by. The NFL draft tells you that.

so basically you are saying...the reason Texas and OU(spit) win the Big 12 so often is because the rest of the teams in the Big 12 are not very good?

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How do UT and OU win the B12 so often?

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Maybe because they recruit better players?

1. Talent
2. Talent
3. Talent
4. Coaching
5. Talent

take out the top 2 teams in the conference and the rest aren't as good. stunning analysis.

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A&M, OSU, Tech, Mizzou, etc.., have had plenty of great QB's, WR's, and RB's in the past 10 years; but great DL's, LB's, and DB's have been hard to come by. The NFL draft tells you that.

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There is a lot of truth to this statement. Look at the sips d-line from the 2008 & 2009 seasons when they had pretty good years. All of their starting d-linemen were 1st, 2nd or 3rd round picks in the NFL draft. The average team they would play on Saturdays would have maybe 1 O-lineman who would get drafted. Sure.....every team has a shifty RB and a fast WR or two but what good are your skill position players when everything is getting blown up at the line.

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the truism is UT and OU play...

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Tennessee does not play in the Big 12-2. tu does, not Tennessee.

so basically the reason that texas and ou win the big12 so much is because they are better than the other teams in the conference... fascinating

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Tennessee does not play in the Big 12-2. tu does, not Tennessee.

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I see what you did here. Gosh, I have never heard that one before. Nice!

1. Cash
2. Lots of cash
3. And some blind eyes

Dick says GET OVER IT.

How many times has t.u. won the big 12? I didn't research it, but I think it is 3 times. 3 times in 14 seasons is not domination imho.

Have to win the B12S to get there, correct? Of the 14 B12CG's, OU and UT have played in it 12 times. 7 OU, 5 UT.

Has anyone seen the subject line? It includes BOTH teams.

In the last 13 years, t.u. has won the conference twice, and one of those was by the skin of their teeth on a controversial last play.

Really your question should be why/how OU has dominated.

[This message has been edited by AnalogyAg (edited 8/26/2010 10:05p).]

what about 14 years?

>1. Cash
>2. Lots of cash
>3. And some blind eyes

THIS!

TJ

The biggest reason that OU & the tu win the conference so often is because of recruiting. They constantly are reeling in better recruiting classes than the other schools in the conference (including aTm).

again, how many times has t.u. won the conference? 3 times in the history of B12.

It also helps to get an extra play when you're in fg range and less than 3 points behind.

Great some dip spends hours trying to figure out how the teams with the best talent and coaches win the most conference championships.

Duh, could it be due to the fact that both Texas and OU recruit better players and have better coaches?

I'll take "Recruiting Violations That The NCAA Turns A Blind Eye To So They Don't Have To Put Their Cash Cows On Probation" for $1000, Alex.

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Suppose a team plays a team ranked #18 in the middle of the season and beats them, knocking them to #25. Do you get credit for beating #18 or #25 or their potential ranking at the end of the season which could be something else entirely.

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"Quality Wins" become "mediocre wins" if the team falls apart. Cases from the 2009 season that illustrate this:

-Michigan over #18 Notre Dame (finished 6-6)
-Michigan State over #15 Michigan (finished 5-7)
-Miami over #20 Florida State (finished 7-6)

I know there are more, but that's just off the top of my head.

Exactly. So which team do you get credit for beating? No reasonable person begrudges Alabama for beating Texas who lost Colt McCoy in the first quarter of the NC game, yet you could argue that Texas was no longer the #2 team in the country once that happens.

It's all nebulous and people with an axe to grind will find a way to manipulate the rankings, past, present, future, to make whatever point they want to make.

Alabama still beat the #2 team in the country.

No one can argue that tu was no longer the #2 team once McCoy went down. It showed a glaring problem both with McCoy's toughness and Brown's coaching decisions.

Another example of a quality win was Boise State's season opening win over PAC 10 Champion Oregon.

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